Stock Market Tumbles On Geithner Speech

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TIM PARADIS | February 10, 2009 06:46 PM EST | AP

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NEW YORK — Investors are frustrated with the government's latest bank bailout plan _ and showed it by unloading stocks.

The major stock indexes fell more than 4 percent Tuesday, including the Dow Jones industrial average, which tumbled 382 points. Financial stocks led the market lower, a sign of how concerned Wall Street is about the government's ability to restore the health of the banking industry. Demand for safe havens like Treasurys and gold rose.

Traders and investors complained about what they saw as a lack of specifics from Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on how the government will direct more than $1 trillion in public and private support to the financial system.

The plan is aimed at restoring proper functioning to credit markets, which seized up over worries about bad debt after the September bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. The latest plan calls for a government-private sector partnership to help remove banks' soured assets from their books. It would also boost an effort to unclog the credit markets that govern loans to consumers and businesses.

"The good news is they are going to spend a trillion dollars, the bad news is they don't know how," said James Cox, managing partner at Harris Financial Group.

"They built this up as being a panacea," he said. "There was so much hope pinned on them to do a good job. The expectations have been so high. It's hard to live up to."

But Peter Jankovskis, co-chief investment officer at OakBrook Investments, said the government was right to outline a broad plan rather than putting something together hastily that might otherwise fail.

"They are doing the right thing by taking their time and not rushing through with bad policy," Jankovskis said.

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Treasury spokesman Isaac Baker defended the plan.

"We understood that some might be disappointed that we didn't announce a large bailout program, but our focus is on what will be the best comprehensive plan to protect taxpayer dollars, jump-start lending and bring forth a long-term financial recovery _ not the hour-by-hour movement of the markets on any given day," he said.

Some investors questioned whether the plan, which followed previous efforts in the final months of 2008, would work. Some selling was to be expected, however, as stocks rose sharply last week ahead of the announcement.

Geithner's speech "basically puts a spotlight on the fact that the government has no idea how to fix the problem," said Jeff Buetow, senior portfolio manager at Portfolio Management Consultants. "People bought on rumor and hope, and now they're selling on reality."

Investors focused on the financial rescue showed little reaction to the Senate's approval of its $838 billion economic stimulus package. The bill must now be reconciled with an $819 billion version passed by the House. Congressional leaders hope to have the bill on President Barack Obama's desk before a recess next week.

"The economy is in deep trouble. The stimulus plan is not very stimulative. It's not addressing the real problem," Buetow said. "We have an insolvent financial system. The government is trying to find a comprehensive way to save it. They can't afford to just throw money at it. That's what they tried to do in the fall and that clearly did not work."

Stocks extended their slide after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke didn't elaborate on the plan in testimony at a House Financial Services Committee hearing. Bernanke said the programs designed to revive the credit markets are showing promise and that any fix to the worst financial crisis since the 1930s would take time to work.

The Dow industrials fell 381.99, or 4.62 percent, to 7,888.88.

It was the biggest drop for the Dow since Dec. 1, when the blue chips fell 680 points, or 7.7 percent.

It was also the lowest close since Nov. 20, when the blue chips finished at 7,552, a five-and-a-half year low. The Dow is still up 4.46 percent from that level, which many market observers hope will mark the bottom of the market's pullback since its record high levels of October 2007.

Broader stock indicators also tumbled. The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell 42.73, or 4.91 percent, to 827.16. It was the biggest drop for the index since the Obama inauguration on Jan. 20.

The Nasdaq fell 66.83, or 4.20 percent, to 1,524.73.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 22.17, or 4.74 percent, to 445.77.

Declining issues outnumbered advancers by about 5 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where consolidated volume came to 6.68 billion shares, compared with a light 4.93 billion shares traded Monday.

Tuesday's sell-off was more orderly than many of those seen last fall and stocks finished off their lows of the session. The Dow had been down as much as 422 points. While demand for government debt rose, buying wasn't occurring with the panic seen after the collapse of Lehman Brothers.

The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, fell to 2.82 percent from 2.99 percent late Monday. The yield on the three-month T-bill, considered one of the safest investments, slipped to 0.30 percent from 0.32 percent late Monday.

The dollar rose against other major currencies. Gold prices also rose.

Light, sweet crude fell $2.01 to settle at $37.55 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

Jankovskis, of Oak Brook Investments, said the government's plan doesn't resolve the question of how much the troubled assets weighing down banks' books are worth. By providing funds to purchase the assets or by buying them outright the government risks hurting banks by paying too little or hurting tax payers by paying too much.

"Valuation is the fundamental issue," Jankovskis said.

Scott Valentin, an analyst at Friedman, Billings, Ramsey & Co. said the government might be playing politics by not proposing measures that would touch off great debate in Washington and meet with public approval. A government takeover of a bank, for example, wouldn't be politically palatable, he said.

"There are some people that believe the government is dancing around the issue of what has to be done and what is politically acceptable," he said.

Valentin also said some of the drop in stocks could be hastened by short sellers _ investors who place bets that a stock will fall.

Short sellers last week snapped up shares of financial stocks to cover their bets in case Geithner's announcement sent stocks higher. Now, those investors can put their pessimistic bets back in place. This can weigh on the price of a stock and exacerbate selling.

Investors are simply left with many questions.

"I think generally we just don't know enough. We just don't know enough of what it all means," said Jon Biele, head of capital markets at Cowen & Co. "It's digestion time."

Bank stocks saw the biggest selling. Bank of America Corp. fell $1.33, or 19 percent, to $5.56, while Wells Fargo & Co. fell $2.71, or 14 percent, to $16.35.

Regional banks also showed big drops. Fifth Third Bancorp fell 70 cents, or 24 percent, to $2.19, while Huntington Bancshares Inc. fell 65 cents, or 25 percent, to $1.96. Conglomerate General Electric Co., which has a big finance arm and often trades like a bank stock, fell $1.02, or 8.1 percent, to $11.62.

Principal Financial Group Inc. fell $5.04, or 30 percent, to $11.99 after the insurer posted a fourth-quarter loss on investment and loan losses. The company's report raised fears that the company will be forced to raise cash.

Overseas, Britain's FTSE 100 fell 2.19 percent, Germany's DAX index fell 3.46 percent, and France's CAC-40 fell 3.64 percent. Japan's Nikkei stock average fell 0.29 percent.

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NEW YORK — Investors are frustrated with the government's latest bank bailout plan _ and showed it by unloading stocks. The major stock indexes fell more than 4 percent Tuesday, including the D...
NEW YORK — Investors are frustrated with the government's latest bank bailout plan _ and showed it by unloading stocks. The major stock indexes fell more than 4 percent Tuesday, including the D...
 
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Geithner"s lack of detail did NOT drive DOWN WS on Monday!

Not having 1,000 truckloads of cash show up at the Corrupt WS Banks did it! (Chris Matthews)
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Very clear from today’s testimony by Banksters in Congress that Congress needs a session a week to be able to get to the facts. Right now Congress is having a hard time understanding how these Banks operate since very little if any light has ever been shown on these Banksters!

More preparation and testimony is needed to get to the bottom of what they did and to unfold the TRUTH and understand the Scheme so they can prevent repeats!

A full Congressional Inquiry like that done in the 1930's could provide lots of details including Banks financial conditions "ON and OFF Balance Sheet."

We know how they used a HOUSING HYPER-INFLATION Ponzi Scheme that nearly ruined America, but more facts are needed to make sure we can fix it and prevent a recurrence.

From Bankers testimony it became clear WS Banks have NO TOOLS or credit facility to help REBUILD AMERICA’S Main Street Economy!

Banksters (used by FDR/others in 1930's) contributed a small percentage to Obama's Campaign! Certainly NOT enough for Obama to give WS BANKS Bailouts. But individual Americans contributed over 85% of his Campaign Funding so he cares more about Middle America!

So lets hear from them why Taxpayers should Bailout Corrupt Banksters?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 02/11/2009
- inorbit I'm a Fan of inorbit 23 fans permalink
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Does anyone respect anyone who works on Wall Street doing anything these days?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 02/11/2009

CEO compensation descrepencies vary widely by culture, with American execs earning 475 ( !!!) times as much as the average worker. In Japan, its 11 times as much.

http://tasteslikechicken2me.wordpress.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 02/11/2009
- atlantajoe I'm a Fan of atlantajoe 8 fans permalink

Japan has fallen from grace, they are broke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 02/13/2009
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How can they say tumble when they have inflated the numbers for so long

stock market inch,s closer to where it should be

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 02/11/2009
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As Washington Post’s Stephen Pearlstein said on Tweety's Hardball, 'Wall Street wouldn't have been happy unless truck loads of cash had been delivered to them. They wanted more money with no strings.' Of course, he said it better than I just did. He did put the stock market loss into perspective and explained again how Wall Street's reaction is based on their greed and not what's best for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 02/11/2009
- blaising I'm a Fan of blaising 18 fans permalink
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When will you people get it! There is absolutely NO RELATIOSHIP between Wall Street and the real U.S. economy. Why would Wall Street care is the Dow plunges? They make just as much on a loss as on a gain. In fact, a gain one day almost insures a loss the next. It goes like this:

Invest long shares...take profits....market starts to fall.
Borrow short shares...market falls...take profits.
Invest profits long...market rises...take profits.
Borrow short shares...well, you get the point....

Not a Ponzi scheme...more like Vegas-style sports gambling. Why not let the Nevada gaming regulators handle this Wall Street mess...they've got a lot more experience in this area.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 02/11/2009

For all these years, Wall Street has been exuberant with the counter-intuitive "gambling" on mortgage securities and suddenly tanks because the Bailout plan wasn't specific enough?! This seems ridiculous. Looks like they had a tantrum and had planned this sell off - to show the Feds that they are still capable of blackmailing the country (already on it knees) into just handing over the taxpayers' $ to them, unconditionally and for as long as they want. Geithner seems to be falling in line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 02/10/2009
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 51 fans permalink
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******* SPLAAAAAATTTT *********

Yet again!

I 'love' how the big investors try to reinflate the stock bubble,... before they even know what an upcoming patch might be,....

And then over-react when something they already should have known would happen,... happens.

Why on earth should the American taxpayer pony up a trillion or so more dollars, at the drop of a hat, when we have no idea how accountable they are for the money we have already pumped into the system has gone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 02/10/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 21 fans permalink

If someone asked you for life savings and then didn't tell you what they planned to do with that money, how would you react?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 02/11/2009

You sound just like one of these clowns. Its not their life savings, Its their investments. It's money they risk in hopes to make make more money nothing more. You act like these guys investing for the good of America..HA. If they want no risk they should put it in a no risk asset that pays very little return.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 02/11/2009
- jneuman771 I'm a Fan of jneuman771 2 fans permalink

Remember that Wall Street thought they knew what they were doing before this debacle...and worse yet we thought they knew gave them our money, gave them our futures? How's that along with everything else they have done working for us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 02/10/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 21 fans permalink

No one comes out smelling like roses here...it's a debacle all around...
Between an inept Congress stumbling around playing the game...
Between a man who was part of the problem now heading Treasury who seems to be
a little dazed and confused
To a President who feels he needs to stump for a failed plan and a failed attempt to steal more of the people's money that will end up going down the sewer of Wall Street Greed Machine

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 02/11/2009
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

"Investors are frustrated with the government's latest bank bailout plan..." He has no plan. We want a plan. Give us a plan and we'll invest again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 02/10/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 21 fans permalink

That was the message the Street was clearly sending...like it or not, if investors won't pony up and get credit rolling, nothing is going to get better, and with Gheitner not offering specifics because he wants time to "get it right", we are going to continue to spiral downward...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 02/11/2009

Yes you are right. How dare them think things through. They should throw money out the windows like the lottery commercial. Hey at least we will be entertained right :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 02/11/2009
- inorbit I'm a Fan of inorbit 23 fans permalink
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Yeah, why think about anything - just give the banks the money with no strings attached like Paulson did - *eye roll*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 02/11/2009
- bluguy8 I'm a Fan of bluguy8 19 fans permalink

short selling should be stopped until the market has stabilized .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 02/10/2009
- Savanna I'm a Fan of Savanna 25 fans permalink

I totally agree. It is killing investment and is not a meter for anything going on in the investment world. Today was not about Geithner..it was about profit taking and blaming it on the bailout package. Wall Street need to go walk a few neighborhoods where people have lost their jobs, or go work in a soup line, or plant a garden. They need to do what our President has done for the last two days visit America. Maybe they can't do that because they are too absorbed in their own greed to care about anyone else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 02/10/2009

Yes, they should.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 02/10/2009
- Crowhaul I'm a Fan of Crowhaul 12 fans permalink
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The fact that we are still lending so much importance to the 'stock market' is absurd. Remember: These are the same people who get happy when stocks go up as a result of employers laying off workers...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 02/10/2009

The Republicans said that a 401K is better than a pension, and voters voted for Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 02/10/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 21 fans permalink

This has always driven me crazy...now, if Obama can get people to work, that will matter far more than anything Wall Street says or does...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 02/11/2009

The fact that we are still permitting short selling in this volatile environment shows how poorly regulated our securities trading system is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 02/10/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 21 fans permalink

Yes, and it needs to stop...there sometimes HAS to be regulation, Republican laissez faire addicts be damned...at the beginning of the 20th century, child labor was a scandal, and without that being regulated, the horrendous conditions for children would have continued...there is a time and a place for regulation...FDR knew it, and despite all the a--inine revisionism about The New Deal it DID help get the economy rolling again, even before the War came along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 02/11/2009

It is hard to understand how private entities can be persuaded to buy troubled assets when nobody knows how they were created or what tangible real estate properties lie behind them. If you can't see the houses or buildings whose mortgages theoretically back the assets, how can you gauge the risk of the investment or gauge the prospect for a decent return on your money.

Ultimately, the government may have to seize some of these failing banking institutions and significantly raise tax rates on the wealthy to provide the funds for the FDIC to pay off the insured depositors.

That could mean a huge decrease in U.S. GDP and a big drop in the standard of living, but how is delaying the day of reckoning a responsible course of action. At least if some banks are allowed to fail, the government may be able to tyrn its energies to prosecuting the corruption to led to this situation. The government could also turn its attention to restoring the kind of strict regulation that the New Deal produce but that modern fools despised.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 02/10/2009

Spoiled Little Robber Barons: If you don't give us all the money we want we will crash the market. We'll show who's boss in this outfit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 02/10/2009
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