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Octuplet Mom Nadya Suleman On Food Stamps, Three Kids Receive Disability

SHAYA TAYEFE MOHAJER   02/ 9/09 11:27 PM ET   AP

Nadya Suleman

LOS ANGELES — The mother of octuplets was implanted with those embryos at a Beverly Hills fertility clinic run by a well-known _ and controversial _ specialist who pioneered a method of implantation. Dr. Michael Kamrava's name emerged Monday as a result of an interview aired Monday on NBC with Nadya Suleman, who gave birth to eight babies Jan. 26.

Over the past two weeks, the identity of Suleman's fertility doctor has been a source of great mystery because of questions over the ethics of implanting numerous embryos in a woman who already had six children.

Kamrava, 57, would not comment on the issue, but told reporters outside his clinic on Rodeo Drive that he had granted an interview to one of the television networks. When asked to provide more detail, he said, "Watch the news."

Without identifying the doctor, the Medical Board of California said last week it was looking into the Suleman case to see if there was a "violation of the standard of care." The medical board said Monday it has not taken any disciplinary action against Kamrava in the past.

In the NBC interview, Suleman did not identify her doctor by name, but said that she went to the West Coast IVF Clinic in Beverly Hills _ of which Kamrava is director _ and that all 14 of her children were conceived with help from the same doctor. In 2006, Los Angeles TV station KTLA ran a story on infertility that showed Kamrava treating Suleman and discussing embryo implantation.

Kamrava graduated from the University of Illinois and went to medical school at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, according to state records and his Web site.

Some fertility specialists said Kamrava is a controversial figure in the field.

"He's tried some novel techniques and some of those methods have been controversial," said Dr. John Jain, founder of Santa Monica Fertility Specialists.

Jain criticized the decision to implant so many embryos, saying: "I do think that this doctor really stepped outside the guidelines in a very extreme manner, and as such, put both the mother and children at extra high risk of disability and even death."

Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg, a professional acquaintance of Kamrava's, said Kamrava worked to develop an embryo transfer device that allows doctors to implant an embryo _ or sometimes sperm with an unfertilized egg _ directly into the uterine lining.

"Usually we inject the embryos into the uterus and they float around and attach themselves," Steinberg said. However, Steinberg said there was no evidence the method improved success rates for pregnancy.

It was not immediately known if the technique was used on Suleman.

Suleman said she had six embryos implanted for each of her pregnancies. The octuplets were a surprise result of her last set of six embryos, she said, explaining she had expected twins at most. Two of the embryos evidently divided in the womb.

Medical ethicists have criticized the implanting of so many embryos. National guidelines put the norm at two to three embryos for a woman of Suleman's age, except in extraordinary circumstances.

Kamrava's clinic performed 20 in vitro procedures on women under 35 in 2006, according to the most recent national report compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Of those 20 procedures, four resulted in pregnancies and two in births. One woman delivered twins.

The average number of embryos he transferred per procedure for women under 35 was 3.5, the report said. Fertility doctors often implant more than one embryo to increase the chances that one will take hold.

An in-vitro procedure typically costs between $8,000 and $15,000. Asked on NBC how she was able to afford the treatments, Suleman said she had saved money and used some of the more than $165,000 in disability payments she received after being injured in a 1999 riot at a state mental hospital where she worked.

She also told NBC that she does not intend to go on welfare, though her publicist confirmed Monday that Suleman already receives food stamps and child disability payments to help feed and care for her six other children.

Suleman's publicist Mike Furtney said she receives $490 a month in food stamps. Furtney said Suleman did not want to disclose the nature of her children's disabilities or the nature of those payments.

"In her view these are just payments made for people with legitimate needs and are not, in her view, welfare," Furtney said. "She just believes that there are programs for people with needs and she and her children qualify for some of them."

Dr. Richard Paulson, who heads the fertility program at the University of Southern California, cautioned against rushing to judgment about the fertility treatment in this case because questions remain about the quality of Suleman's eggs and whether there were any extraordinary circumstances that would lead Kamrava to transfer so many embryos.

As for the technique Kamrava pioneered, "those of us who are the scientists in the field do not feel this is a significant improvement," Paulson said. He said some doctors advertise that technique as "a way of making patients feel that they are trying something new."

Suleman, who is 33 and single, told NBC's "Today" show she was "fixated" on having children. Suleman said her doctor "did nothing wrong" and had warned her of possible complications to the pregnancy and risks to the development of the babies.

The octuplets were born nine weeks prematurely but appear relatively healthy. Their names have a Biblical theme: Noah, Jonah, Jeremiah, Josiah, Isaiah, Maliyah, Makai and Nariyah. All share the middle name Angel and the last name Solomon.

On Sunday, Suleman's mother, Angela Suleman, seemed to contradict her daughter's account, telling a Web site the fertility specialist who helped her daughter give birth to the octuplets was not the one who aided in the birth of her first six children.

In an interview with celebrity news Web site RadarOnline.com, Angela Suleman said she and Nadya's father pleaded with her first fertility doctor not to treat their daughter again. She said her daughter went to another doctor.

"I'm really angry about that," Angela Suleman said of the doctor's decision to perform the procedure. "She already has six beautiful children. Why would she do this? I'm struggling to look after her six. We had to put in bunk beds, feed them in shifts and there's children's clothing piled all over the house."

Angela Suleman said Nadya's boyfriend was the biological father of all 14 children, but that she refused to marry him.

"He was in love with her and wanted to marry her," she said. "But Nadya wanted to have children on her own."

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Associated Press Television News videographer John Mone and Associated Press Writer Alicia Chang contributed to this report.

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12:01 PM on 02/25/2009
YEAH AND SHE WILL CONTINUE TO MILK THE SYSTEM BECAUSE SHE KNOWS SHE CAN.
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09:22 PM on 03/09/2009
AND SHE HAS JUST CLOSED A DEAL TO BUY A 4 BDRM HOUSE TO RAISE HER 14 KIDS IN. THE SAME NEWS ARTICLE STATED THAT NADYA DID THIS ON MONEY SHE REC'D FROM HER WEB-SITE, AND OTHER PROJECTS SHE HAS LAUNCHED.

SO FOLKS, IF NADYA CAN DO THIS, THEN GOD BLESS HER. BUT I DON'T SEE WHY PEOPLE WOULD SEND HER MONEY TO CONTINUE BRINGING BABIES INTO THE WORLD WHO WILL NEED CONSTANT MEDICAL CARE THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, ALL ON THE BACKS OF TAXPAYERS.

NO ONE WANTS THE KIDS TO SUFFER, BUT TO SUPPORT SUCH ACTION, WILL ONLY PRODUCE ANOTHER PREGNANCY, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE NADYA IS QUITE FINISHED YET, WITH HER FERTILITY DOCTOR.
10:43 AM on 02/20/2009
Amazing that someone who suffers from a back injury serious enough to receive disability payments had 5 pregnancies in a row (with 1 set of twins) and then carried the enormous burden of 8. It seems like this all began with the ability to collect DIS-ability fraudulently. Disgusting lie - when there are far too many truly injured who really need it. Shame on you Nadya. SHAME
02:30 PM on 02/16/2009
Question: Aren't any donations subject to garnishment? As I understand it, if you are on food stamps and get a job or money, you have to repay the state for aid you received. At least it's the policy in CT. And if you have judgments against you, can't they also go after any money you receive?
04:49 AM on 02/16/2009
Donations? Anyone who gives this sorry excuse of a mother one red penny is validating her selfish ambitions. She was well aware of what she was doing in bringing those children into this world and now she expects the public to bank roll her fantasy world ?

Those children should be taken from her and put in foster care. If she can't support them (which she knew she could not seeing she has not had a job during the first half dozen children) then they should be taken away...This woman is pathetic !!!
05:35 PM on 02/15/2009
None of the babies were carried to term. Her heaviest baby was like 1.5 pounds. That is not normal. She knew the babies would have to be delivered early and still she insisted on carrying 8 babies. She created more disabled children, the people calling her a loving mother are idiots.
11:51 AM on 02/14/2009
Doesn't this woman realize that she has bad genes. She had 6 children, half of them have disabilities. Now she brings in 8 more with God only knows how disabled they will become. Isn't it better to have fewer, but healthier children in this world? Who brings children into this world for the sole purpose of suffering?? This whack-job, cosmetic hack job, idiot!! That's who!!!
10:17 PM on 02/13/2009
The terrorists have indeed won.
06:57 PM on 02/13/2009
In old photos her lips are not like that. She most definitely has had them puffed up like two swollen burritos. The very very strange thing to me is that she doesn't seem a bit nervous about having fourteen children. I would be freaking out. I had a little four year old and a baby as a single mother and it was very difficult. Poor, poor little children. I wish them well. Maybe Mia Farrow can give her some tips; she has a big family. Or the Duggers. It has been interesting to experience the visceral response people have had to this situation. Why do we know what she seems not to know, that the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train?
02:53 PM on 02/14/2009
She spend that 167 grand on plastic surgery and god only knows what else... but not her children. Having IVF is criminal on her and her Dr's part (if he knew she already had 6 children). I don't want her to get $ to exploit her children. I wish she would do the right thing and try to adopt them out to those who can afford to pay to raise them without our taxpayers money. Our economy has tanked big time... there are people who have lost and are losing their homes and jobs. This whole thing is disgraceful. I hope she doesn't get book, TV or any other kind of deals out of this!
06:08 PM on 02/13/2009
I know everyone is talking about her 14 kids, but anybody do the math on how many kids THEY could feasibly have, and so on, and so on.....? While the U.S. preaches to Third War nations about controlling their population, it's embarrassing to have a U.S. citizen in the news who (along with her other six IVF kids) was already living off the State and yet somehow came up with the money to pay for the procedure to have another eight (she said she "saved" part of it, that must mean the State is paying too much for each of her kids if she can afford to raise them AND have IVF)!
01:59 PM on 02/13/2009
This nursery rhyme seems timely-wouldn't you agree?

There was an old woman,
Who lived in a shoe;
She had so many children,
She didn't know what to do.
She gave them some broth,
Without any bread;
She whipped them all soundly,
And sent them to bed.
...
(moved to a boot and called it a high rise)
11:02 AM on 02/13/2009
What I would like to know is how does a "non-white" gets $167,000 from SSI before she even had the 6 other kids when " WHITE" people can't even get $1.67. And how does a "non-white" person get SSI for 3 disabled children when " WHITE" people like me that has 1 disabled child and I can't get help at all. Let alone food stamps and medicaid and $50,000 in school loans that she said she used to raise her other kids and she plans on doing it again to raise the 8. Isn't that against the law to use school loans for anything other than school? And how does a "non-white" get pregnant on Rodeo Drive and then cry about how she has no money? Last time I checked Rodeo Drive was for celebrities. MUST BE NICE...
01:55 PM on 02/13/2009
I'm not sure it's really an issue --regarding the lady's race...but more the overall principal of her essence...her intent and her blatant disregard for common sense --logically--none of her decisions makes any sense with regards to the well being of the children. She won't be able to afford to educate any of them (ten grand/year minimum for university)--let alone manning the ship of responsibility--financially and just BEING "there" for them in the necessary emotional sense. The Life lesson she's teaching her kids--that there's a free ride to be had and responsibility needn't be owned up...is such a bad thing to teach the children. THAT's where she's failing and her race--white or not--is of no concern to me. Everyone should be treated equally--and FAIRLY-she's milking the system and playing America for a fool...ulterior motives galore.(income generated via outside stimulus=INCOME and welfare should deduct appropriately what funds she receives from the sum of their dole out to her.)
04:11 PM on 02/13/2009
It's called a double-standard!
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08:21 AM on 02/13/2009
1) Obviously the in vitro fertilization industry, like our financial system, needs to be better regulated. It is hard to describe the "doctor" in this situation as other than a corrupt, greedy businessman.
2) Legislation should prevent women who have no means of support other than welfare checks drawn on children disabled as a result of previous in vitro fertilization from being implanted with embryo's.
3) Just as guns should not be sold to people with criminal backgrounds or history of mental illness, a woman in this woman's situation when asking for in vitro fertilization should be tested for mental competency.
4) These unfortunate children should be removed from the care of this woman who obviously cannot be expected to bring them up to become "responsible" adults.
06:37 AM on 02/13/2009
And the subhead for this story should always read: "And the Couple with the 7-Figure Income Down the Street from You Pay No Income Taxes Whatsoever."
07:08 PM on 02/13/2009
Uh, Puppies, while your statement may be true, Ms. Suleman will be taking the State (as in our tax dollars) for a lot more than 7 figures by the time this is all done. Whether it's found she's a fit or unfit mother, how much do you think it's going to cost taxpayers to pay for the 14 children she had, at least three with disabilities? Who do you think paid, directly or indirectly, for her to have at least the last IVF procedure, which yielded 8 kids, none of which she can pay for?
03:58 AM on 02/13/2009
I wonder if this woman will be the ONLY one to pull this stunt--or will there be others now?
For instance, with all the media attention...what is there (other than COMMON SENSE) to discourage other women to do this--have tons of babies on welfare and just bleed the system? Can ALL women on Welfare who are single Moms accept donations on a website and not claim that as income? (not to metnion all the other luxuries she's indulged in. For example--this degreein Psychology she's supposedly getting...who's paying for THAT? Is education free suddenly??) Hell--why should anyone work or pay for school> Let's all just jump on the bandwagon and quit our jobs and go on Welfare--and disability--then have tons and tons of kids! It's FREE!
(joking)
02:57 AM on 02/13/2009
I have a few questions:
-If she is on disability--one would assume therefore she is not fit enough to work...no standing for long periods of time, no lifting, on pain meds that cause fatigue etc.
So--how can a woman who is unfit to work---raise 14 kids? How's she going to lift nad bathe the babies and other 6 toddlers?
-IF she is receiving (donations) money and is simultaniously on Welfare, doesn't Welfare consider that money
"INCOME" and deduct it from her payments?
-If she could afford what the 25 year plastic surgeon on Dr. Phil estimated as $30,000 dollars worth of undeniable plastic surgery--how did she pay for that and--of course-why was that not used to finace the well being of the 6 existing kids? She's BONKERS. The kids should be put up for adoption,
04:12 PM on 02/13/2009
Yes, you are very right!
07:18 PM on 02/14/2009
I have received "donations" from my parents. (I work. My father is somewhat well off, so they can afford to help me and my daughter out). My accountant and his account both agree that any amount under 1200 dollars is considered tax free. So any donations that she receives that is under 1200 is tax free. So basically all the donations she receives on her website, which would (i'm just assuming) be under 1200 dollars is tax free.

The caveat to this is that one person can give you many, many $1200 donations.

And I hope that the dancer in the post below me is a joke. Please, please let me believe that.