Bailed-Out Firms Distributing Cash Rewards: "Please Do Not Call It A Bonus"

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February 11, 2009 09:02 AM

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Two Wall Street firms that received at least $60 billion in government bailout funds will be rewarding their financial advisers with controversial retention payments, the terms of which one senior executive described as "very generous" in audio obtained by the Huffington Post.

The soon-to-be-merged financial giants -- Morgan Stanley and Citigroup's Smith Barney -- announced the payments during an internal conference call last week, but warned advisers against describing them in terms that would cause PR headaches.

"There will be a retention award. Please do not call it a bonus," said James Gorman, co-president of Morgan Stanley. "It is not a bonus. It is an award. And it recognizes the importance of keeping our team in place as we go through this integration."

The payments, Gorman said, will be calculated based on performance numbers from 2008 instead of 2009, when the merger is expected to be completed. That decision virtually guarantees an increase in the size of the awards. While 2008 was challenging for the firms -- Morgan Stanley's client assets in fee-based accounts dropped 25 percent in the fourth quarter, and a round of lay-offs is expected -- 2009 is expected to be substantially weaker.

"I think I can hear you clapping from here in New York," Gorman joked during the call, after announcing that the payments would be linked to '08 performance. "You should be clapping because frankly that is a very generous and thoughtful decision that we have made. We spent a lot of time kicking this around. We could easily have done it from the point of closing, which is obviously going to be somewhere in the latter half of this year or around the middle of the year. But we just decided... that it was right thing to do, to give you that certainty that it would be based off '08. '09 is a very difficult year... So that degree of anxiety, which many, many of you have emailed me about... is now off the table."

Audio of the conference call was provided by a reader who responded to the Huffington Post's call for information about wasteful or extravagant spending by bailout recipients.

Morgan Stanley and Citigroup, which will combine their brokerage firms into the world's largest, have received a combined $60 billion in government bailout funds. Officials with the firms said that the retention packages, which are rumored to value as much as $2 to $3 billion, would not come from that pool of money. But critics note that money is fungible, and question whether such payments are a proper use of funds for banks that are dependent on the government to stay afloat.

"They are putting lipstick on a pig," said Peter Morici, a professor at the University of Maryland School of Business and former Chief Economist at the U.S. International Trade Commission. "Very often, retention bonuses are paid to undeserving executives who helped drive their enterprises into the ground. This is like people who hold up banks getting paid to stop holding up banks. It isn't good policy. It's not always the case, but on Wall Street, people were vastly overpaid for the value that they created."

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Retention awards for Morgan Stanley and Smith Barney employees have been rumored since their merger talks began. But the terms of the payments, which are still being hammered out, are bound to spur critical questions.

An official for Morgan Stanley downplayed the decision to value the payments off the more favorable '08 numbers. "You pick a point in time that you base any retention program off of and the decision was to base these off of the production these individuals would have achieved in 08," said spokesman Jim Wiggins. "Whatever they end up getting paid will be based off their 2008 production. That doesn't say anything at all about the timing it is going to be paid or when it will be paid."

Wiggins also defended the decision to provide financial advisers with retention packages. Noting that the money would "be paid out of the operating revenues for business and not" TARP funds, he said the system was necessary to prevent an exodus of key personnel.

"Retention programs like this are standard practice in the industry whenever you do a deal like this one," he said. "This is a profitable business. Our financial advisers are being heavily recruited by other companies like UBS... It is absolutely critical to hold this together and hold them in their seats so this will be a successful joint venture."

This assessment is challenged by an array of industry observers. Noting that retention awards are a relatively small sum of cash when compared to the money that the U.S. government will be spending on subsidizing bondholders, Christopher Whalen of Institutional Risk Analytics nevertheless called it a gratuitous expense.

"These firms are attempting to continue to pay their people the way they have in the past and in the current job market here in New York, I don't think it is necessary," said Christopher Whalen of Institutional Risk Analytics. "You certainly don't need to pay people to stay in their jobs right now, because they are praying to Jesus that they just don't lose their job generally."

Certainly, as recipients of billions of dollars in government funds, Morgan Stanley and Smith Barney find their accounting decisions under greater scrutiny. As part of the merger, the two entities have promised to make $1.1 billion worth of budget cuts -- or roughly half the projected amount of retention payments.

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Two Wall Street firms that received at least $60 billion in government bailout funds will be rewarding their financial advisers with controversial retention payments, the terms of which one senior exe...
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Other private banks are highly interested in hiring these same advisors and would gladily pay these advisors nearly 1.5 to 2 times their trailing 12 month revenue as a signing bonus. If the employer like Morgan Stanley did not compensate these advisors for this transition, many of the advisors will surely leave to go to other banks and be paid for essentially enduring the same process that she would by chosing to stay at Morgan Stanley. If the advisor moves with their clients to a similar institution with similar products and services, they will be paid for making the change. What many of you do not understand is that if a large number of advisors leave to go to compeititors, it will have a significant effect on the revenue for the company. If Citibank and Morgan Stanley lose a significant amount of revenue, it is going to be very difficult for them to repay their TARP loans. In addition, without this revenue source the banks financial condition could worsen and force them to need additional TARP funds to remain a going concern. ........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 02/26/2009

The advisors have to take on a great deal of labor intensive projects in dealing with their clients when their firm changes ownership. What if you had invested millions of dollars with Citbank-Smith Barney and one day your statesments started coming from Morgan Stanley, would you not expect an explanation? Would you not have to be convinced that Morgan Stanly had the same products and services that you invested in at Citi-Smith Barney? What about your loans and checking accounts, do they not have to be changed? Would you want to know the terms of these accounts? Basically, the Financial Advisor has to rebuild his entire client list which provides his entire income. During this time period he normally would be bringing on new clients and increasing his level of service to his current clients. The advisor did not ask to be sold to another bank and as a result he would be forced to perform hetic and unusal duties that are surely going to lower his annual income. It is necessary to compensate the advisor for navigating and successfully completing this disruptive process.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 02/26/2009

The Financial Advisors that work in the Wealth Management Divisons of Investment Banks have nothing to do with the Investment Bank's Institutional Products. The Wealth Management Divisions are extremely profitable and typically generate pre-tax margins of 15-25%. In addition, they drive a great deal of revenue that goes into the Investment bank's earnings. The advisors have had no involvement in any of the positions on the Investment Bank's trading books and they had nothing to do with the deals generated by the Investment Bank. ..(continued)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 02/26/2009
- HST I'm a Fan of HST 48 fans permalink
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What Congress and Obama should do is make sure they pass a law with some teeth to control these kind of compensation games. The next company that is caught doing this -kneecap them. No more bailout funds and anything paid to them previously is recalled. Pay up now. After the first time this happens and the company goes belly up and it's parts sold, the rest of these "geniuses" and "talent" will fall in line. Enforcement is the key. Show 'em a new sheriff's in town.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 AM on 02/16/2009

I work forlarge brokerage firm &i want to point out a few things to this post sinceyou don't understand exactly how we are compensated. Tostart out....All rookie brokers get a very small salary--they have to attract and retain a certain amount of clients within the first year to stay in the industry. if they do, they lose their salary& get paid 100% commission. The only way broker makes more money is by getting moreclients &doing well for those clients. simple math--do more, make more. say what you want about people on wall street gettingpaid outrageous amounts of money--we earn it ourselves. no big bonuses ever--how hard you work--you make % of that. What is wrong with that? Same as a real estate broker, a car salesman, insurance salesman. I didn't nor did any other stockbroker create any of these SIV's/ MBS, andwe didn't approve anyloans. We simply did our job &our company let us down--just like you were let down. My net worth went down significantly &i did NOTHINGwrong. These retention awards are about keeping good people at the company. ifyou were buying something, would you want the key people to stay? the only people who get paid these retention deals are the one's who are highly profitable to the company. giving this retention deal forces them to stay for 7-9years. please explain tome how that is wrong? i picked aprofession that pays me more thanyours does--that's not my fault.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 02/14/2009
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I'm making nothing right now. Millions are right now. Millions more will in the near future.

Define "a very small salary." Hard numbers please.

I'm sorry, but bonuses and benefits for handling other people's money sounds like theft to me. Your profit model sounds like the classic excuses for Capitalism and ignore the hard reality that this sort of job is essentially parasitic and needs to be eliminated altogether.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 02/15/2009

how about a small salary of 24K a year...

How is that theft if i handle other people's money? My clients hire me and pay me a fee to give them my time and service.

Please tell me how this job should be eliminated? Doesn't seem logically to me. I advise my clients on estate planning issues, taxation, retirement planning and investments.

I can assure you that i know much more than you do on these issues and bring tremendous value to my clients. That's why they pay me. For me to manage the top .5% of wealth in this country i am dealing with some of the smartest and sophisticated business owners and minds--certainly they all can't be experts in this area. It's sort of like comparing a dentist to you...I know how to brush my teeth, but can i give myself a good cleaning or handle gum issues or cavities? no--so i go to an expert--that is what i am paid for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 02/16/2009

Because you aren't working isn't my fault or anyone else's fault except your own. Get a job that has job security. I have it-I can't be fired unless i break the law or don't produce enough business. The failure rate in my industry is 80%....and then for those who make it really big are 10% of the 20% who make it. So, 2 out 100 in my industry from beginning to end make north of 450K. You have the same opportunities in life that i did--go out and do it--don't complain and post on a message board--go out and make it happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 02/16/2009

All of you should understand exactly what a financial advisor does. We advise individuals on their financial planning needs, We do not securitize mortgages or have anything to do with the Investment banking divisions that did. We provide the revenue for the firms to enable them to pay the executives. The firms take 60% of the revenue we generate.

Fire them, do not blame us........­..........­..........­also why haven't Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman and Brian Williams been forced to take pay cuts???? GE (the parent company of NBC) took TARP money and formed bank holding companies.­.......hav­e you see GE Financial's results lately? How about the stock price????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 02/16/2009
- luke150 I'm a Fan of luke150 12 fans permalink

Where the heck are they going to go, if no bonuses (excuse me, rewards) are paid? I am talking about the "great" talent of Wall St that created such a nice and once-in-a-lifetime crisis. OK, some will leave, whatever. Most won't. We are in a deep recession and even such "great" talent may not find alternatives easy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 02/14/2009

Public anger at Wall Street is like sweet nectar to me. As the depression gets worse and worse over the coming months this anger will turn to rage. There will be change all right. Change you can believe in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 02/14/2009

At the hearing before congress Wednesday the CEO of Citigroup smirked that the US government is on the hook for 90% of loses Citi incurs up to $250 Billion dollars.

But if they turn a profit Citi keeps 100%. He kept calling it insurance.

TAKE YOUR MONEY OUT OF CITI NOW!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 02/13/2009
- Wigelah I'm a Fan of Wigelah 5 fans permalink

This is Republican redistribution of wealth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 02/12/2009
- Libarchist I'm a Fan of Libarchist 6 fans permalink
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Morgan Stanley and Citigroup's Smith Barney: Greed is Good

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 02/12/2009

Don't call it a bonus? What a nuthead. He must of got that advice from Gordon Gecko...."Greed is Good." Promoting the idea to offer ungodly incentives for poor performance only shows just how off base these folks really are. Do that in the real world and your down the road and you'd probably be denied unemployment benefits also. Congress needs to put an end to this sort of abuse of power. Congress needs to cut out wall street and big banks who engage in excessive bonuses, costly advertisement and expensive meetings to nowhere that I could afford. Millions of Americans have trusted these companies with their life savings and many of them have become paupers (one living on or eligible for public charity) while these CEO's continue to benefit from their own gross negligence and inabilities. Four hundred million dollars just to hang your name on the side of a stadium and they didn't even think of giving me season tickets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 02/12/2009

Award begins with an "A", Bonus begins with a "B" Do the math ,or in this case do the literacy.Wall street gave themselves an "A"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 02/12/2009
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Wall Street and our entire financial system is corrupt
and completely flawed to the point I wish to have NO
part of it. Criminals are everywhere, follow the bonus.
WE cannot continue funding and support (in any way)
of a system that has destroyed this nation.

SELF SERVING CRIMiNALS should pay
in the .A.m.e.r.i c.a.n. .R.e.v.o.l­.u.t.i.o.n­.
that they - will - have created.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 02/12/2009
- Truby I'm a Fan of Truby 6 fans permalink

Please don't call it what it is! The American public is not smart enough to see it for what it is if we just engage in a little innocent subterfuge. Call it money that fell from the sky, or something the cat dragged in or unmerited windfall stimulus recompense, just don't call it what it is or we might have to give it back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 02/12/2009
- berrycooda I'm a Fan of berrycooda 23 fans permalink


What a farce.....

Change BONUS TO BOGUS.... and it sounds more like what it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 02/12/2009
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