Israeli Election: Inconclusive Results Puts Israel, Peace In Limbo

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AMY TEIBEL | February 11, 2009 06:02 PM EST | AP

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Israel's Likud Party leader Benjamin Netanyahu, left, listens to parliament member Gideon Sa'ar during a faction meeting at the Knesset, Israel's parliament, in Jerusalem, Wednesday, Feb. 11, 2009. The coalition government that emerges in Israel, whether it is led by hard-line Netanyahu or his moderate rival, Tzipi Livni, is likely to find common ground on two burning issues: Hamas and Iran. Two scenarios emerged Wednesday: a narrow coalition of hawks who would stall peacemaking with the Palestinians and a power-sharing arrangement that would give Israel a more moderate face and greater international support. (AP Photo/Dan Balilty)

JERUSALEM — Israel's new coalition government _ whether led by hard-line Benjamin Netanyahu or his moderate rival Tzipi Livni _ is likely to take a tough line on two burning issues: Hamas and Iran.

As the two began courting potential coalition partners Wednesday, two scenarios took shape: a narrow alliance of hawks who would stall peacemaking with the Palestinians, or a broad power-sharing government that would give Israel a more moderate face and greater international support.

With only a few thousand votes by soldiers still to be counted, Livni's Kadima Party had one more seat in parliament than Netanyahu's Likud. But Netanyahu's natural allies on the right have a clear majority of 65 in the 120-seat parliament, giving him the edge in forming a coalition.

President Shimon Peres will consult all 12 parties in the new parliament next week before choosing either Netanyahu or Livni to try to form a government _ a process likely to take weeks if not months.

The two offer vastly different approaches when it comes to peacemaking with the Palestinians: Livni supports giving up territory to make room for a Palestinian state, while Netanyahu has said he considers current U.S.-backed Mideast peace talks a waste of time.

However, they both take a hard line when it comes to the Islamic militants of Hamas, who overran the Gaza Strip in 2007, and the potential threat of Iran's nuclear program.

Both threaten harsh military action against Hamas if rocket fire from Gaza persists and reject negotiations with Hamas in the wake of a punishing Israeli offensive in Gaza last month. They also agree the Hamas regime should be toppled, though neither has spelled out how that should be done.

As for Iran, Israel considers it the nation's biggest threat and rejects Tehran's assertion that its nuclear program is to produce energy, not bombs. Both Livni and Netanyahu have hinted that military action might be necessary to prevent Iran from obtaining an atomic weapon.

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These key areas of accord might nudge Netanyahu and Livni into a joint government, especially since neither is in a strong position as coalition maneuvering begins.

The results of Tuesday's vote were inconclusive. Likud has only 27 seats to Kadima's 28 _ less than a quarter of the house each _ which means that whoever forms the government will have to lead a fractious coalition. The key is held by Avigdor Lieberman, whose Yisrael Beitenu Party emerged as the third-largest with 15 seats. Though he is firmly in the hawk camp, he did not rule out serving under Livni.

"Political Tangle," read the headline on the front page of the Yediot Ahronot daily, flanked by smiling photos of the two would-be premiers.

Lieberman hopes to redraw Israel's borders to push areas with heavy concentrations of Arabs outside the Jewish state and under Palestinian jurisdiction. Those who remain would be forced to sign an oath of loyalty to Israel, and anyone who refused would lose the right to vote or run for office.

A Likud-Kadima national unity government could leave Lieberman, whose rise in Israeli politics is troubling to many in Israel and abroad, on the sidelines.

One possibility is a government based on Netanyahu's fellow hard-liners. Another is a broad "national unity" team under Netanyahu or Livni, with participation of the other, along with the centrist Labor and some small parties.

A third option is a power-sharing arrangement in which one would serve as prime minister for a set period, and then the other would take over _ an arrangement called "rotation" when it was tried in the 1980s.

The outcome could prove critical to peace efforts.

Livni spent a year leading Israel's team in negotiations with the Palestinians and is committed to the idea of a Palestinian state. So, too, is Defense Minister Ehud Barak's Labor Party. Netanyahu, by contrast, has staked his political reputation on opposing the sweeping territorial concessions that would be required to clinch such an accord.

Besides broad agreement over Iran and Hamas, internal politics might push the two together.

Joining forces with Livni could allow Netanyahu to exclude from his government extreme nationalists whose presence could cause trouble with the Obama administration, which wants to move ahead quickly on an Israel-Palestinian peace deal.

It could also let him avoid costly capitulation to ultra-Othodox Jewish parties that traditionally have demanded large budgets for pet projects as the price for joining governments.

In Washington, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama "looks forward to working with whoever makes up that next Israeli government in a search for lasting and durable peace in the region."

In a speech early Wednesday in which he claimed victory, Netanyahu said he would push for a national unity government, but he would start with his natural allies. Livni, too, called for a national unity government but did not specify with whom.

Dan Meridor, a veteran politician who returns to parliament under the Likud banner, told The Associated Press Wednesday that a broad-based government is the best option.

"I've been in narrow governments and broad governments, and a broad government is much easier to handle," he said.

But nothing is certain. Netanyahu himself talked of going it alone as the votes were being counted.

"The Israeli people have expressed their opinion clearly and sharply," he said in his victory speech. "The national camp, led by the Likud has won a clear advantage. ... The people want a change. The people want to follow a different path. Our path has won, and it is the path that will lead the people."

Former Palestinian Information Minister Mustafa Barghouti said Wednesday the election showed an Israeli turn to the right.

"There is no difference between Livni, Netanyahu and Barak," he told The Associated Press in Washington. The election results show that "Israel is responding with negative change to Obama."

Meanwhile, Israel gave approval Wednesday for the export of 25,000 flowers from Gaza to Europe. The shipment of carnations, the first in more than a year, came at the request of the Dutch government, it said in a statement.

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Associated Press writer Barry Schweid in Washington contributed to this report.

JERUSALEM — Israel's new coalition government _ whether led by hard-line Benjamin Netanyahu or his moderate rival Tzipi Livni _ is likely to take a tough line on two burning issues: Hamas and Ir...
JERUSALEM — Israel's new coalition government _ whether led by hard-line Benjamin Netanyahu or his moderate rival Tzipi Livni _ is likely to take a tough line on two burning issues: Hamas and Ir...
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Here's another pearl of historical wisdom from a distinguished historian:
:Do you think the rest of us don't read up on our history?"

Chaos4700 proceeds with:
"Israel seized all of the Palestinian lands in 1948, and then pawned them off to Egypt and Jordan in the armistice."
Astonishing! According to this person Israel ALL of Palestine and then sold(!!!) Gaza, West Bank and Jerusalem to Jordan and Egypt.
Occasional inaccuracies are to be expected and normal. But this kind of profound lack of basic understanding must be addressed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 02/12/2009
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Good thing we all know that you and truthshrouder are part of the ha sb ara brigade and distraction and hyperbole is your specialty.

Fact is no one cares about those historical facts. You just inject them in every discussion to distract everyone from the fact that I s r ael is exercising apartheid against the Pal estini ans and they have no intention to support a two-state solution and have already created a situation on the ground that undermines any peace process directed towards that goal.

This is fact and not all the other stuff you post ad nauseum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 02/12/2009

Dear Democracy lovers,

How can we accept the following facts from a Democracy?:

A nation (Isr ael) that rules its neighbor, it controls water, electric and all energy in Palestinian territories that are not theirs but they do colonize them...
A Nation that does not allow Palestians to leave or go abroad to study or work or anything...
A Nation that does not allow ANY visitors from outside Gaza to family members or elders or children...
A Nation that does not allow Palestinians to get access to their own water front, not for leisure nor for commerce with anyone in the globe...
A nation that has built miles and miles of roads and highways that can only be used by Israelis in territories that are NOT theirs...
A Nation that denies exit to any Gazan when war occurs, they can not flee...
A nation that does not let all its citizens vote!
A nation where machismo is the rule of the land religiously and socially, ask ANY Israeli honest women.
The list goes on...
Sorry, Democracy does NOT fit this category, you can hide all you want, you can propaganda other wise, these are realities and in the USA or in Europe we do no call this Democracy.
Shame on US for giving such a beautiful name to a structure that does not practice it! at all...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 02/12/2009

If Israel intended to do ethnic cleansing it would have started with the Arabs in their midst.
Instead, the gave them every single right that everybody else has except serve in the Army.

Free education, free healthcare, Political participation, freedom of religion and freedom of expression, except when they go to syria or Lebanon and scream out loud their intention to destroy.
All told, if they are given the choice between living in a Gaza form of government or an Isreali one , which one do you think the 99% of them would choose. no doubt about it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 02/11/2009
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This is what Avrum Burg said about the plight of Is r a eli Arabs (in context):

"Many people say to me, "What about Gaza? Don't have so much compassion for them, don't tell the Isr a elis to be nice there, tell [the Pale sti nia ns] to be nice there. And I say Gaza is a nightmare, and it's a stain on my conscience. And I'm very troubled by the attitude of Isr ae lis against Is ra eli Arabs. It's a shame. It's a black hole in my democracy."

He troubled by the attitude of Isr a eli s against Is r a eli Arabs. I think he's telling the truth and you are painting an exaggerated rosy picture.

Read it. You might learn something new:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1869325,00.html?iid=sphere-inline-bottom

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 02/12/2009

I thought the UN partitioned the Land. One Palestinian state and one Israeli state.
How come then there are 1.5 million inside the Israeli side but only 250 thousand settlers on the other..

I think maybe the right thing to do is to remove all the settlers from the Palestinian side and give back the land and of course let the ones inside Israel proper go live in their new state.

Oh! you want a one state solution so the Jews get swallowed by an ever growing Islamic majority who will institute sharia law in a NY minute..
Dream on...
Of course, Its only fair..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 02/11/2009
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Do you think the rest of us don't read up on our history? The Zionists declared independence before UN 181 could be implemented, received President Truman's blessing, and then proceeded on a campaign of ethnic cleansing against Palestinian Arabs. The surrounding Arab states -- who were already unhappy with the UN resolution, having voted against it -- were horrified and mobilized their armies to deal with the Israeli expansion campaign. They were outmaneuvered; Israel seized up quite a bit of land beyond their original partition borders, including the territories of the Palestinians. After slicing up some extra land from those territories, they sold off a diminished Gaza to Egypt and West Bank to Jordan in armistice treaties. Given the situation, Jordanian and Egyptian occupation was preferable to total ethnic cleansing and continued warfare, so all of the involved countries agreed.

You can't be a "modern democracy" and also artificially maintain your "inherent Jewish character." while simultaneously maintaining a military occupation on the native people. Israel has three choices -- negotiate within the framework of something like the Arab Peace Plan, which has been on the table since 2002, and return to its 1967 borders; absorb the Palestinian territories and populations, and thereby render Jews a minority in Israel; or wage a campaign of apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide on the Palestinians. Only one of those will lead to an enduring Israel as you'd like to see it, and only two of those would the rest of the world will tolerate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 02/11/2009
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What pure nonsense. From November 29, 1947 (when the Partition Plan was voted on) until April 1, 1948 there were numerous Arab attacks against Jewish communities. When Israel declared independence there was virtually no ethnic cleansing. After 5 Arab armies attacked and Arab leaders' urged their Arab brethren to flee in order to get out of the way of the advancing armies, a handful were expelled, but most simply fled to avoid being caught in the cross fire of a battle. Even Benny Morris acknowledges the extent of Arab expulsion has been grossly exaggerated. Not one Palestinian would have left had not the combined Arab armies attacked. Israel expanded beyond the partition Plan that was entirely the result of actions taken in a purely defensive war. When one country aggressively attacks another and loses land that's the cost of warfare unless there's a peaceful negotiation of territorial return.

The best solution is the 3 state solution. Jordan takes back the West Bank and Egypt takes back Gaza. And those Israeli Arabs who choose to remain in Israel would be welcomed. The 2 state solution might be desirable as long as the so-called Saudi Plan is negotiated (as 242 DEMANDS) not imposed. The 1 state solution will never happen in a million years. Israel retaining it's Jewish majority is no less unacceptable or artificial than every single Arab country maintaining it's much greater Muslim majority by various means, including the violent expulsion of over a million Jews from Arab countries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 02/11/2009

You read history okay and then you revise it and add a few incendiary words, then you sprinkle a lie or two for good measure. To that you push a little feigned indignation..
et voila.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 02/11/2009

"Do you think the rest of us don't read up on our history?"
You don't.

Chaos4700 posted:
"" Ahmedinejad being a Holocaust denier is 'fabricated nonsense' "

I wouldn't even lower myself to debunk such, well, bunk..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 02/12/2009

Re."they sold off a diminished Gaza to Egypt and West Bank to Jordan in armistice treaties."

This is hilarious! Israelis sold West bank and E.Jerusalem to Jordan. And voluntary cut access to Jerusalem and Wailing Wall! For money.

Only one mitigating aspect: one month ago this poster didn't even know that Jordan occupied West Bank. So I guess there's some ( moldy)growth there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 02/12/2009

... Hamas has given free rein to militants intent on firing rockets into neighboring Israeli towns. “We are still developing our rockets; soon we shall hit the heart of Ashkelon at will,” says Jaberi, the al-Aqsa commander, referring to the Israeli city of 110,000 people 12 miles from Gaza’s border. “I assure you, the time is near when we will mount a big operation inside Israel, in Haifa or Tel Aviv.”
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804?currentPage=6

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 02/11/2009
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"Be n ny Tzi ffer, an Isr ae li journalist who blogs on Ha'ar etz's website, published a piece in H eb rew about a trip he made this past week to Sder ot and As hkelon. In Ashk elon, he went to the Museum on the Origins of the city, where he met a city resident who plainly and openly explained both the expulsion of P ale sti nians and the deliberate Hebrai sa tion / Jud aization of the city. Tzi per writes, "I think that nobody makes the connection today between the fact that the Qa ss ams land on As hkelon and the fact that poor Arabs who did nothing wrong to anybody were put on trucks and expelled from their city to Gaza fifty five years ago, and since then they are there and Ash kel on is here."

Why don't you mention this injustice while you're at it???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 02/11/2009

In another words Skleletonia, you advocate figh.ting. Not negotiation. You don't care much for P-nian welfare, do you.

"poor Arabs who did nothing wrong to anybody"
How about poor African and M. Eastern J-ws. They also did "nothin' wrong to nobody." About 700,000 of them were deprived of property and kicked out.
Some from neighborhoods they occupied before I-lam was even created.
And DON"T come back with some 1001 nights story about them all wanting to leave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 02/12/2009
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I would like to see non-violent protest from the Palestinians, Arab Israelis and Progressive Israelis, only a peace movement can turn the road towards peace and away from the brink of eternal war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 02/11/2009

Non-violent protests and cessation of attacks is the only thing that can help Palestinains have a state. Nothing else will work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 02/11/2009
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The Palestinians have tried both. The Gazans are still starving and Jewish settlers continue to build exclusive settlement in the West Bank, protected by the IDF, apartheid-style barriers, checkpoints and restricted highways that slice the Palestinian territories up into "bantustans." Peace activists -- including foreign ones, like Rachel Corrie -- are routinely attacked and sometimes murdered. You're trying to make the case that Israel is willing to meet the Palestinians half way when it comes to peace? The physical evidence suggests otherwise.

Land for peace? Try "formaldehyde" in the political process required for the state of Palestine to be freed from Israeli occupation.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=485929

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 02/11/2009
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Oh you mean like these Pa lest ini ans who tried to demonstrate peacefully and were fired upon by the IDF?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76h4_j7-LX8

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 02/11/2009
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It's time for Israel to make peace with its neighbors.

Peace not apartheid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 02/11/2009

What is this apartheid word being mindlessly repeated?
Do you even know what it means in Dutch?
This is PRECISELY what U.N. Partition plan was all about-- separating Jews and Arabs into separate enclaves. Think then post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 02/11/2009
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Why don't you ask a South African what apartheid means. Obviously, you don't know. Because it's not "make two separate sovereign countries."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 02/11/2009

For those who wonder if Is rael has nuclear weapons , the answer is a definite yes and they were dusted

off during the yom Kippur war when 2 giant armies attacked it ( 5000 tanks and 1200 Planes between

them ) in a sneak attack while all Isr aelis were praying during Yom kippur.

The fact that a brilliant strategist was able to encircle the Egyptian invading force was the reason those

nukes were put back in their mothballs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 02/11/2009
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You have a long way to dig to get yourself out of this jam don't you? You know that the world is never going to accept the Apartheid State of Is ra el, especially now that the radical right is taking over. Your argument is getting thinner and weaker by the day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 02/11/2009

Skeletalia posted: "You know that the world is never going to accept the Apartheid State of Is ra el,"
Reality.
Total number of countries with which Israel maintains diplomatic relations--- 160;
Diplomatic relations with 9 non-Arab Muslim states and with 39 of the 43 Sub-Saharan African states.
Israel provides China with technological assistance.
India is Israel's strongest allies in Asia.
Singapore and Israel have strong bilateral ties
Israel and the Czech Republic share a special relationship.
USA and Canada of course are stonrg allies.
E.U --- favored nation status many areas of trade and research.
Even Saudi Arabia ended of its ban on Israeli goods and services,

Deal with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 02/11/2009

Why was there a liberation movement terrorizing Israel before they took the "occupied territories"

I know, because they want the whole thing and the other guys are saying "in your dreams".

Free Kurdistan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 02/11/2009
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Maybe because of the actions of Israel's "liberation movement," when they became an army and started ethnically cleansing the Palestinians from hundreds of villages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 02/11/2009

This is a lie based on fabrication mixed with propaganda and sprinkled with Myth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 02/11/2009
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Not to defend netanyahu, but all the posters around here should remember one fact:
the us voted for bush twice.
When you have a scared electorate, it moves to the right. In order to deal with the situation, we have to be able to see that and understand how it can be dealt with. Screaming bloody murder won't help. Recognizing that most israelis support a 2-state solution with dismantling of settlements, provided that security is guaranteed, will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 02/11/2009
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Then maybe it was incredibly stupid for Livni to whip Israelis up into a panicked frenzy of militant fervor and carry out the offensive in Gaza that the government had been training for months in advance of the cease fire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 02/11/2009
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if they had done nothing the electorate would have voted even more to the right, because the rockets have been going on for years and nothing serious was done to stop them (including before the blockade, so don't give me that as an excuse for the hamas).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 02/11/2009

Israel is the national home, the spiritual dwelling, and the foundation for the liberty of the Jewish People.

You have all kinds of islamic Republics, why Can't Jews have a Homeland..

Jews have been so much loved and well treated for 2000 years that they had enough of that loving care and decided to build their homes from where they were expelled from..

The only problem the world has is that Jews have learned to fight back instead of being led to slaughter..

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You don't get to fabricate a country for yourself by committing an ethnic cleansing on the culture already living there. The Holocaust was an awful atrocity, a scale of which the world had never seen before and hasn't seen since -- but that doesn't give you carte blanche to commit atrocities on other people. The price for an Israeli nation cannot be the blood of Palestinians spilled to make room for it.

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Your assessment is the basis of all that is wrong with how this situation came about. The idea that somehow the Jewish people were entitled to Palestine to the exclusion of the rights of those that were already living there is anachronistic, elitist and based on an interpretation of history and the Bible that gives one small segment of the world's population a special place among men. It's ironic that the Palestinians, who had nothing whatever to do with the Holocaust, are the ones that have been made to suffer. It's proper for the Jewish people to fight back against oppression. It's improper to oppress those who had nothing to do with that fight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 02/11/2009
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it was the UN decision, so too late. the palestinians will have to live alongside a jewish state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 02/11/2009

you can, 2 state solution is the solution, the question is, why can you build roads and encaged palestinians, what gives you that right? what gives you the right to their water front? to their power electric and why dont you let them leave their land in or out?
WHY?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 02/12/2009

Give every Palestinian Israeli citizenship and equal rights.
Problem solved.
Hell with "Jewishness" of Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 02/11/2009
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They will never do this because the Pa lestin ians will be demographically more numerous in a few years. This is the last thing they want: to give them rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 02/11/2009
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the idea that the only religious state in world should be forced to join the the most enlightened nations in the world is untenable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 02/11/2009
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jews have a right to their own country. it's as simple as that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 02/11/2009
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...at the expense of the rights and statehood that Palestinians are entitled to?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 02/11/2009
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So do the Palestinians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 02/11/2009
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so do the christians, muslims, hindus, buddhists, zoarastrians and wiccans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 02/11/2009
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That will never happen. Pale stin ians will outnumber Is r ael is demographically in a few years. The last thing Is r a el wants is to give Pa l e s tin ians any rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 02/11/2009

would you give rights to someone who has swore for 60 plus years to throw you into the sea ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 02/11/2009
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Let them have casinos like our indigenous tribes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 02/11/2009

Out of curiosity, can someone tell me how many women are in the Gaza Government.
How many Christians in the Gaza Government
How many Gays In the supreme council .
I know that in isr ael there are 3 arab parties who voted in the election..
Is the death penalty enforced in Gaza, Iran , Saudi, etc...
Because in Israel It does not exist.
One hanging in 60 yeas, Adolf Eichman..He deserved it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 02/11/2009
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btw, the first arab women from an arab party in israel was elected yesterday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 02/11/2009
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I wonder how long she'll get to serve, if Livni or Barak forms a coalition with Lieberman and decides to institute an "oath of loyalty" as a pretext to purge Arabs from Israeli society to make way for more Russian immigrants.

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Two words for the truthseeker.

WHITE PHOSPHORUS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 02/11/2009

One word to rational..Islam

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 02/11/2009
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Funny. You seem to be forgetting all of those assassinations Israel is fond of committing. And they've really gotten creative with it -- moving up to missiles fired from helicopter gunships at a paraplegic man surrounded by people as they left a mosque after prayers, to the destruction of entire apartment buildings with 1000 ton bombs just to kill the one man "hiding" among his family and neighbors in his own home. How rude of them not to wander out into an open field so Israel doesn't have to cause all of that "collateral damage" not inflicting a death penalty, sort of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 02/11/2009
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the us does the same things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 02/11/2009
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Funny how just last night someone was claiming I didn't know what I was talking about. And here we are again, exactly how the power players wanted it to turn out. No change in government, and more war to look forward to. A spring offensive, or sooner, should not be ruled out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 02/11/2009
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The only people who can force "Spring offensive" are Hamas

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 02/11/2009
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"Force" a spring offensive? It's kind of cowardly for Israel not to take ownership of its own choices and actions, isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 02/11/2009
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At the end of WWII the Allies forced German towns-people to bury the dead victims of Nazi concentration camps. I wonder if the people of Gaza had delivered the corpses of the hundreds of children killed by Israel in the recent invasion to the doorstep of the Knesset for Israelis to bury, the extremist nationalists would've fared so well at the polls?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 02/11/2009
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you'd also have to bring to gaza the bits and pieces left of israeli children who died in suicide bombings.
but you've forgotten about those, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 02/11/2009
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It would be hard to see them in comparison to the mountain of corpses from Gaza. To say nothing of the fact that the remains of dead children are a tragedy no matter who their parents happen to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 02/11/2009
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Free Palestine!

And return it to what it was before the reverse discrimination that is the basis of Zionism led to the mistreatment of the Palestinians: a peaceful place known as Palestine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 02/11/2009
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you mean a barren desert with no agriculture, economy, educational system, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 02/11/2009
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That "barren desert" contains some of the oldest olive groves in the Middle East. But of course, Israel is in the process of tearing them up or burning them down to make room for swimming pools and gated communities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 02/11/2009

Return to what it was..
You mean a desolate land full of mosquito filled swamps, sparse vegetation and desert. ruled by clan chiefs, wealthy foreigners, and despots..

What was the name of the Prime minister in those days where they ruled themselves. ?
President?
King ?
Council ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 02/11/2009
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