Venezuela Referendum: Plebiscite On Chavez

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GlobalPost.com   |  Charlie Devereux   |   February 15, 2009 11:11 AM

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CARACAS -- Venezuelans will vote for a second time on Sunday on whether to scrap term limits, in a referendum that will lay plain their feelings about their president.

Voters will be asked to approve or reject a proposed amendment to the constitution that would get rid of all political term limits, thus paving the way for socialist President Hugo Chavez to run for re-election in 2012 and beyond.

Recent polls suggest a tight contest, with a margin of as little as 200,000 votes.

Opponents to the amendment have warned of a threat to Venezuela's democracy, and have bolstered their campaign by quoting Chavez's hero, the South American liberator Simon Bolivar: ""Nothing is so dangerous as allowing a single citizen to remain in power for a long time."

Chavez, meanwhile, has stressed that the amendment simply gives politicians the right to run again, rather than offering indefinite re-election. His campaign has been so careful to avoid the terms "indefinite" and "presidential term limits" that the phrases aren't included in the question voters will answer on Sunday. Instead, the question focuses on voters' "political rights."

But while both sides fight over semantics, in reality the vote is a plebiscite on Chavez's 10 years in office.

"This is a critical vote because we are going to see how much popularity Chavez has left at the moment," said Alex Sanchez, a research fellow at the Council on Hemispheric Affairs.

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Should he lose, Chavez has warned of the dismantling of the social projects he's undertaken since becoming president. His "missions" -- programs that provide free healthcare, adult education and subsidized food markets -- have gained him loyal support in the shanty towns and remote villages of this petro-state.

"I think the president has done good things," said Ruth Ledezma, a retired dentist's secretary from the 23 de enero Caracas slum, a Chavez stronghold. "I'm voting 'yes' because I believe in the cause."

For their part, opposition political parties point to record homicide and kidnapping rates, as well as to spiraling inflation and sporadic shortages of basic staples of foods such as sugar, milk, chicken and coffee as signs that the government is running the country into the ground.

"I'm going to vote no because of the security issue, no because of the lack of housing, and no because of the abuse of power," said Neisa Monges -- who walked all the way from Petare, by some accounts the largest slum in South America, to the center of town in a march against the amendment last Saturday.

The government's claim that it has reduced poverty from 51 percent to 28 percent -- a statistic corroborated by the Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean of the United Nations (ECLAC) -- is misleading, charge opposition critics, who say that the reduction was accomplished on the back of an oil boom that saw oil prices rise from about $8 a barrel in 1998 to as high as $127 last year. The government relies on oil revenue for 93 percent of its income. Now, a per-barrel price of $40 will reveal the unsustainability of his revolution, they say.

Energy analysts have commented that the rush to pass this referendum -- so soon after regional elections in November -- is a sign that Chavez fears the economic repercussions of the slide in oil prices.

Finance Minister Ali Rodriguez told the newspaper El Universal that the government might "have to make great sacrifices in public spending," but added that they would avoid making cuts in the social sectors.

The amendment campaign has been fought amid mounting tensions and accusations of foul play between those for and against the proposal. Chavez sent in the riot police against university students opposed to the amendment -- after he accused them of disrupting civilian life.

The opposition has pointed to the open displays of allegiance to the government's "yes" campaign by certain state institutions -- such as the national oil company Petroleos de Venezuela -- as evidence that the government is illegally using state funds to promote the campaign. According to Reuters, just a few of the oil company employees could be found in their offices, as most were out campaigning for the government.

The Caracas metro, meanwhile, has been playing salsa jingles with lyrics that exhort voters to back the amendment.

And a report by the Media Monitoring Group found that 93 percent of the state TV channel Venezolana de Televison's broadcasts had a bias in favor of the "yes" vote. The report found that the leading opposition channel, Globovison, had a bias of 58 percent in favor of the "no" vote.

"While one can see that the state has been using public funds to promote its cause, you can also see that the opposition hasn't lacked its own outlets," said Rodolfo Magallanes, a professor in political studies at the Central University of Venezuela. "Undoubtedly, a portion of public funds have been used and unfortunately it has been like that in Venezuela's history."

The consequences of losing appear more serious for opposition parties than for Chavez. He told CNN that he could not rule out putting forward further referendums in coming years on the same issue, a move that was declared legal by the Supreme Court, which he controls. However, such a policy would damage his credentials as a democratic leader, and might cause him to lose support within his party.

"Latin American politicians are chameleons by default," said Alex Sanchez. "If the parties within his coalition realize he is losing support... they might say 'it's better to separate.'"

The deciding factor in the vote will be unaffiliated voters, a silent majority who make up as much as 32 percent of the electorate, according to a survey by polling firm Datanalisis.

Datanalisis found that of the demographic that identifies itself as neither with Chavez nor with the opposition, 65 percent said they were against the referendum.

But much would depend on their inclination to vote. "If abstention is less than 30 percent to 35 percent, a victory for the 'no' campaign is almost assured," said John Magdaleno, a political scientist at the Simon Bolivar University.

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CARACAS -- Venezuelans will vote for a second time on Sunday on whether to scrap term limits, in a referendum that will lay plain their feelings about their president. Voters will be asked to appro...
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Chavez will probably win, but it is a bad idea to do away with terms limits in Venezuela. History should not be ignored. Venezuela had a long history of dictators. Moreover, Venezuela’s presidency is much more powerful than the US presidency. When in 1958 the dictator Marcos Perez Jimenez fled to the US, the newly democratic Venezuela wisely introduced terms limits. Namely, after a five year presidential term a person had to wait ten years (two terms) before running again–a good precaution considering Venezuela's past. Nowadays Venezuela is still corrupt, but because of the constitutional changes introduced by Chavez the presidency is even stronger, presidents can run for a second consecutive term, and the terms are now six years instead of five. But even that is not enough for Chavez. Now he wants to eliminate all term limits.

The Venezuelans who overthrew their last military dictator in 1958 knew their own weaknesses. Besides the temptations of becoming too fond of being called "el presidente", Venezuelans knew it was a bad idea to have the same person (and his party) controlling the treasury for too long. Alas, Chavez and the Chavistas are a good example of this. For instance, his previously poor father and brothers are now rich landowners. Chavez is indeed charismatic and has the common touch. To claim, however, that he's less authoritarian that his 1958-98 predecessors is wrong. And by saying that I'm by no means defending the corrupt system that preceded him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 02/15/2009
- jast I'm a Fan of jast 2 fans permalink

They already voted yes, get over it.

I think you should save your lecture for those "civilized" countries which don't have term limits maybe they will listen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 02/15/2009


Call it a night.
It's a "Si!":
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/02/200921602959722265.html

Just about every respectable exit poll gives it to Chavez.
In English, get the latest from BOREV:
http://www.borev.net/2009/02/venezuela_votes_and_other_terr.html

Let's see the reaction of these American journalists who declared: "it's a plebiscite on Chavez's rule".
According to their imaginary criteria, Chavez is HOT...no?
Or does that criteria only apply when Chavez loses?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 02/15/2009
- zaz33 I'm a Fan of zaz33 32 fans permalink

Congratulation Mr, president.

Be careful and be safe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 02/15/2009
- peterg76 I'm a Fan of peterg76 30 fans permalink
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Chavez is just a little too eager to stay in office, but knowing he would continually have to face voters would be a plus for democracy. Term limits are not actually a good idea. Prohibiting *consecutive* terms makes far more sense, as it eliminates the unfair advantage (usually) of being the incumbent but lets citizens vote for a competent leaders as many times as they want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 02/15/2009
- Patricia84 I'm a Fan of Patricia84 21 fans permalink
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Make that a SI.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 02/15/2009
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Nah! Even Chavez's hero Bolivar understood: Power corrupts over time. What good Chavez has done will surely become eclipsed by the harm he will do if he continues to be Venezuela's President. That's why our President and some state governors can only run for two terms or just one term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 02/15/2009
- Patricia84 I'm a Fan of Patricia84 21 fans permalink
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I'm not wishing it to be a SI. I just think that's what it'll be. I'm at best, reluctant, when it comes to unlimited re-eligibility. But in France, Idaho, New Hampshire, Massachusetts or Wisconsin, it doesn't seem to be that big a concern. So, there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 02/15/2009
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Chavez should try to do what the Egyptian rulers did; make himself a God. It should be pretty easy to do; Sean and Danny would certainly support it. Then Chavez can do whatever he wants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 02/15/2009
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We need Chavez here in these United States, right on....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 02/15/2009
- zaz33 I'm a Fan of zaz33 32 fans permalink

Nice to see that most HPer's here haven't been drinking the Corporate media KOOL-AID.

By the way, most of the media in Venezuala is ruling class owned, and anti Chavez.

Go Chavez - continue to serve the majority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 02/15/2009
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 386 fans permalink
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While Chavez doesn't make me foam at the mouth like he does to conservatives I still think this is a very bad idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 02/15/2009
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Dictatorship is ALWAYS a bad iidea. It leads to the downfall of civilization. Rome, Greece, the former Yugoslavia, Iraq, etc

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 02/15/2009



Just a niggling problem with your observation : Chavez is a democratically elected head of state. That's an irrefutable fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 02/15/2009
- raaf I'm a Fan of raaf 24 fans permalink
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Chavez is not a dictator. Regarding Yugoslavia, before the death of Tito Yugoslavia was a stable country and a holiday destination for many Western-Europeans, it's after Tito's death that the downfall and war's came.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 02/15/2009
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I fail to understand who would want a dictator in their country...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 02/15/2009
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He's NOT a dictator. He's been democratically elected and re-elected and so has his party. He actually has done some decent things for his country, and some bad things too, but eh, that's politics. The dictator line is fed to us here in the US just because he doesn't play nice with foreign oil companies like Exxon.

That's not to say that I support this effort though. He's already tried it one or two times before and it failed. The people don't want it, he needs to get over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 02/15/2009
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Anybody who after 10 years want a longer time in office, is leading to the direction of becoming a dictator - but, taht's only my opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 02/15/2009
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Bush was democratically elected, and I don't see anyone giving him a pass for the bad things he has done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 02/15/2009
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Democracy at work. So, what's the fuss?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 02/15/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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One thing that was distorted in the American media the last time around, is that the failure of the first referendum might be attributed to the fact that it didn't just contain new rules on term limits, but it also contained civil rights for homosexuals. I suspect this time around the referendum is leaner, so we'll see how that holds out. Granted, the last time around the two were on different blocks of changes (so one could vote for one and against the other) so that premise can be challenged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 02/15/2009
- zaz33 I'm a Fan of zaz33 32 fans permalink

Alvaro Uribe in Columbia is trying to do the same thing. Why is the Western press not reporting it? -http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/02/14-6

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 02/15/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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LOL! The irony police strike again. Good work, zaz33. Yeah, why aren't we supposed to notice when one of our lap dogs is doing the same thing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 02/15/2009



An interesting side-note : Blackwater Int. recruits a hell of a lot of Columbian military and police personnel, all trained here in the US in democracy - loving techniques such as kidnapping, assasination, torture, bounties for enemy dead, and motivation by fear. And here's another irony : Trained with our tax dollars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 02/15/2009
- zaz33 I'm a Fan of zaz33 32 fans permalink

Venezuela US dollar reserves 42 billion. -http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/newsbrief/4081

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 02/15/2009

Chavez has all the making of a dictator in waiting..

Just like other countries lately, use the democratic system to get elected, then never let go.

The man has a Napoleon complex without Napoleon's brains..

he reminds me of Mussollini. Started helping the poor, ended up helping himself.

Bye bye Venezuela

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 02/15/2009
- zaz33 I'm a Fan of zaz33 32 fans permalink

thruthseeker - "Started helping the poor, ended up helping himself"

EVIDENCE ?

LINK ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 02/15/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 132 fans permalink
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Truthseeker or shrouder's brain only understands generalities that are formed by deep-rooted bias and not based in fact or irony or ironies...truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 02/15/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 132 fans permalink
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Correction: Truthseeker or shrouder's brain only understands generalities that are formed by deep-rooted bias and not based in fact or irony OF ironies...truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 02/15/2009
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Sounds an awful lot to me like how President Obama promised to help out the middle class and poor, and yet....

~crickets chirping~

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 02/15/2009



Wow .... three weeks into a new administration and Obama hasn't delivered on a single thing he promised....... in your opinion.

G E T R E A L
Tuesday, Febuary the 17th, he will sign into law the Stimulus package. It will benefit all of us, but particularly the poor and middle class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 02/15/2009
- vesaversa1 I'm a Fan of vesaversa1 12 fans permalink
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I sure hope those peoples vote NO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 02/15/2009
- VivaZapata I'm a Fan of VivaZapata 63 fans permalink
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no "s" on the end of people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 02/15/2009
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EL PUEBLO UNIDO JAMAS SERA VENCIDO!

THE PEOPLE UNITED SHALL NEVER BE DEFEATED!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 02/15/2009

I don't like the idea of one person being in power for too long. It seems to me that it's way to easy to change the constitution of Venezuela. But if that's what the people want it's they that will have to live with the results.

As for those who say that Chavez has only been able to lower poverty because of the oil boom, I can only reply that the oil has always been there. But only under Chavez has the money from the sale of oil gone to help the people of the country at large instead of just the rich and powerful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 02/15/2009
- VivaZapata I'm a Fan of VivaZapata 63 fans permalink
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let's hope the people of New York City feel the same way as you about term limits. city council has already sold them out with their bloomberg extension/­exemption.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 02/15/2009
- hokuspokus I'm a Fan of hokuspokus 19 fans permalink
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Yup, their country, their rules. I think people jump the gun a bit when talking about no term limits leading to "Presidents for Life". Doesn't happen in the U.K. or Australia, Japan, Canada, or most of Europe; all have no limit on the length of terms for heads of state. Interfering with the electoral process is a far more significant step toward autocracy than simply removing term limits. If the rich in Venezuela want Chavez out, they should consider helping their countrymen more so they will vote their way, rather than running to the foreign press with fear-mongering to try and oust him from the outside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 02/15/2009
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Hitler did a lot of good for Germany and Moussoulini did a lot of good for Italy, but we don't see anyone touting THEIR accomplisments

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 02/15/2009



Depends on where you want to look for the touting. I would suggest searching statements made by the Cheney / Addington White House for some strong echos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 02/15/2009
- raaf I'm a Fan of raaf 24 fans permalink
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That's because Hitler lost the war, otherwise he would probably have his own monument, a city named after him and his face on the banknotes just like George Washington.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 02/15/2009
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