France Found Responsible For Deporting Jews During Holocaust

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VERENA VON DERSCHAU | 02/16/09 02:47 PM | AP

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PARIS — France's top judicial body on Monday formally recognized the nation's role in deporting Jews to Nazi death camps during the Holocaust _ but effectively ruled out any more reparations for the deportees or their families.

Jewish groups welcomed the ruling by the Council of State, the clearest legal acknowledgment to date of France's role in the Holocaust.

Nearly 70 years ago, the Vichy government helped deport some 76,000 people _ including 11,000 children _ from Nazi-occupied France to concentration camps during the war. Fewer than 3,000 returned alive.

The council said that the French government of the time "allowed or facilitated the deportation from France of victims of anti-Semitic persecution."

"In an absolute rupture with the values and principles notably of the dignity of the human person ... these anti-Semitic persecutions provoked exceptional damage of extreme gravity," it said.

The statement legally formalized a historic gesture by then-President Jacques Chirac in 1995, when he became the first French leader to say the nation bore responsibility for the deportation of Jews in wartime France. Chirac broke with the official position that France's Vichy regime was not synonymous with the French state.

"For us, it was France. The uniforms were French. The Germans did not always ask the Vichy government to do what it did," said Serge Klarsfeld, a renowned French Nazi hunter and Holocaust historian.

Since Chirac's speech, deportees and their families have won special state pensions and other compensation for their suffering. Some euro500 million has been paid out by a state commission established in 2000, according to Klarsfeld.

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Monday's decision could put an end to the quest for such reparations.

A Paris court had sought the Council of State's opinion on a request by the daughter of a deportee who died at Auschwitz for reparations from the French state. She also was asking for material and moral damages for her own personal suffering during and after the occupation.

The council left it up to the Paris court to rule on her request.

But the council said in its decision that it "considers that because the acts and actions by the state led to the deportation of people considered Jews by the Vichy regime, (they) constituted errors and became its responsibility."

The council used the opportunity of the ruling to make a "solemn recognition of the collective prejudice suffered (by the deportees), of the role played by the state in their deportation as well as the memory that should remain forever ... of their suffering and that of their families."

Today, France has western Europe's largest Jewish community of approximately 500,000.

"We need to study the decision more in depth, to really be able to assess its meaning," said Estee Yaari, spokeswoman for Yad Vashem, Israel's Holocaust memorial authority. "However, initial press reports indicate this is an important and courageous decision that unambiguously confronts French actions during the Holocaust."

"This has moral significance that will hopefully serve to deepen awareness about the Holocaust in French society, something that is important both for grappling with the events of the past, and their repercussions today," she said.

France today sees scattered anti-Semitic incidents such as attacks on synagogues, often linked to tensions in the Middle East. Anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim incidents in France rose sharply during the recent Israeli offensive in Gaza. France's Muslim minority is the largest in western Europe.

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Associated Press writers Ian Deitch in Jerusalem and Angela Charlton in Paris contributed to this report.

PARIS — France's top judicial body on Monday formally recognized the nation's role in deporting Jews to Nazi death camps during the Holocaust _ but effectively ruled out any more reparations for...
PARIS — France's top judicial body on Monday formally recognized the nation's role in deporting Jews to Nazi death camps during the Holocaust _ but effectively ruled out any more reparations for...
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- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 5 fans permalink

i don't think the french had much to say about it under nazi occupation. the french submitted to the germans back then just like they do today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 02/17/2009

haven't we had enough of holocaust news/stories already? it seems the media has nothing else to report on... well, what about:

Israe'sl assassination of hundreds of Iraqi professional and educated class to make sure the country does not go back to normal anytime soon + Israel's recent destruction of Lebanon + Israel's ongoing war with Palestinians and recent massacre in Gaza + Israel's newly reported covert war on Iran + + +

while history is important, and the death of innocent people is always a crime, it's more important to focus on current events, and to point fingers towards contemporary criminals to make sure they stop causing more death and destruction in the world...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 02/17/2009
- SCLAW I'm a Fan of SCLAW 2 fans permalink

It is easy to condemn--

but many Jewish groups were culpable in not allowing
immigration--Israel for instance as well as the US

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 02/16/2009
- GZLives I'm a Fan of GZLives 47 fans permalink

Jewish groups were culpable? Wha?
Don't you people ever tire of blaming the Jews?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 02/16/2009
- moflard I'm a Fan of moflard 12 fans permalink

I don't know about WW2, but certainly during the Pogroms of the 19th Century, Jewish groups were amongst the loudest campaigning for the British Government to limit, or ban altogether, Jewish refugees entering the UK.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 02/17/2009

SCLAW is quite correct and there are lots of non loony records to show it. Just because you have not checked it out on your own does not make SCLAW anti semtic (even if he might be) Research first comment second.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 02/17/2009
- Pharos I'm a Fan of Pharos 9 fans permalink

Israel? During WWII? When Did WWII end? When did Israel become a country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 02/19/2009
- Sizzzla I'm a Fan of Sizzzla 2 fans permalink

didn't you get the memo?

Obama says to look forward....not back.

too bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 02/16/2009

Better late tnan never! ... Although France and those reporters have a long way to go: what is the the so called " Jewish population" ? ... Are they not french citizens practicing the Jewish religion? and what about the real motive: keep them in France as they are educated and productive !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 02/16/2009
- NPA I'm a Fan of NPA 5 fans permalink
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What of the U.S. history of Asian Americans during the second World War, or the U.S. history with African slaves. All countries have skeleton's in their past. We should learn from our mistakes so that they could never be forgotten and subsequently repeated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 02/16/2009
- DeWayne I'm a Fan of DeWayne 14 fans permalink
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Here is one article about brave French saving Jewish children,
http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/le-chambon-sur-lignon/
be careful of Zionist overloading media with slander and lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 02/16/2009
- DeWayne I'm a Fan of DeWayne 14 fans permalink
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Research into France after Nazi occupation, will find many French individuals were involved in saving and hiding Jewish peoples and children.

Do not let Zionist's (use) you in this manner. Read articles by devout Jewish that warn about Zionist deception and slander.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 02/16/2009
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How far back should we go on crimes? In the late 1600's and early 1700's my ancestors in Poland were victims of the Swedes and Prussians; many of their possessions taken (we're aware of two or three art works; but, we'll never get them back), hundreds of thousands of Poles were killed. Then in WW2 the Nazis killed two million non-Jewish Poles. I have empathy for those who were betrayed by France; hopefully, their leadership and support in the US will recognize others who suffered. Maybe Ron Lauder will help me get my ancestors art works returned (I think he probably won't).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 02/16/2009
- JohnnyLee I'm a Fan of JohnnyLee 10 fans permalink
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The article states that the families are not allowed to seek reparation. It's just an acknowledgement of the heinous acts - not a financial remedy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 02/16/2009
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For what those families that suffered - I am sorry and shameful history- sad to say these life cycles have repeated- Justice does occured in Time- 70 years shameful- They have Admitted Now and That is a Blessing

How does this reflect On the French? I want to know the views of The average French citizen -

I do not want 70 years to Pass for the Bush War Crimes and We know they are guilty - Cheney arrogant and boastful smug SOB- Rumsfield as well and there shadow people that are puppets

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 02/16/2009

The average French citizen thinks that it is a loss of time. The only thing s/he sees in this acknowledgment is that taxe money will not be given for repair of a national shameful behavior . The average French mentality has not changed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 02/16/2009
- Pharos I'm a Fan of Pharos 9 fans permalink

Why do you presume to speak for the average French citizen?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 02/19/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 93 fans permalink
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Well known fact, but here's more: Prescott Bush traded with the Nazis. So did the Rockefellers, so did Ford. Hungary deported Jews. So did Italy. What's with the selective outrage, did France say something offensive?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 02/16/2009
- Amomma I'm a Fan of Amomma 3 fans permalink
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No, the point is that up until now they have said nothing at all. Saying we take some responsibility is what grownups do. Grownups do not manufacture conspiracy theories that help perpetuate distrust between people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 02/16/2009
- moflard I'm a Fan of moflard 12 fans permalink

So when will Israel take some responsibility for the mess in Palestine?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 02/17/2009
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The Vichy government was imposed on the French. It was a puppet state. I don't understand the alleged culpability of the French people with a government not of their choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 02/16/2009

Be honest with yourself, if you can't be honest with your readers. Yes, the Nazis imposed the Vichy government. But the Vichy leaders could have resisted better. They could have gone about their jobs slowly, or as little as possible. Anyone with any knowledge of labor union history can tell you about work slowdowns. It's not too hard to sabotoge one's own efforts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 02/16/2009
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Apparently in your mind there was no French Resistance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 02/16/2009
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Best ask members of the *Milice* that question, citizen.

You may also ask that very same question of those French officers who led their men into battle against the Commonwealth forces in Syria and the Levant in 1941, the naval officers at Oran and Mers-el-Kebir in 1940, and all of the rest of those serving French military personnel who chose not to answer the call of General Charles DeGaulle to continue the fight after the Armistice of June, 1940.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 02/16/2009

excellent point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 02/16/2009
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There you have it. The French are guilty. Except for Charles DeGaulle they were all collaborators because they made the cowards choice of taking care of their families instead of fighting their German occupiers.

Are the Palestinians who are not suicide bombers cowards too? Just asking

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 02/16/2009

Vichy was not "imposed" to the French people ...same as Hitler was not "imposed" to the German people. A government represent his people. Both government and people may changed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 02/16/2009
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Never let the facts get in the way of a good narrative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 02/16/2009
- moflard I'm a Fan of moflard 12 fans permalink

By that argument, every terrorist outrage against the civilian population of Israel, the UK, the USA and even Russia is justified as they all get to "choose" their governments, Well done, you're parroting Al-Q's arguments for the targeting of innocent bystanders.

As for that final "Both government and people may changed", well that's exactly what Hitler was up to, changing the population. Is that who you really want to be mimicking?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 02/17/2009
- gra8whit I'm a Fan of gra8whit 8 fans permalink
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D-uh. Any casual student of history has read evidence of the French complicity in deporting its Jews. French literature about the occupation period is rife with stories of domestic cooperation with the Nazis in the matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 02/16/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 186 fans permalink
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Ever see the Sorrow and the Pity I have it's long and quite extensive and well documented...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 02/16/2009
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