GM, Chrysler seek more gov't aid, to cut more jobs

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TOM KRISHER and KEN THOMAS | 02/17/09 11:45 PM | AP

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DETROIT — General Motors and Chrysler said Tuesday their request for federal aid ballooned to a staggering $39 billion _ only months after receiving billions in loans _ in new plans that envision massive job losses and intense restructuring to survive a deepening recession.

General Motors Corp. presented a survival plan that calls for cutting a total of 47,000 jobs globally and closing five more U.S. factories, a move that represents the largest work force reduction announced by a U.S. company in the economic meltdown. Chrysler LLC said it will cut 3,000 more jobs and stop producing three vehicle models.

The grim reports came as the United Auto Workers union said it had reached a tentative agreement with GM, Chrysler and Ford Motor Co. on contract changes. Concessions with the union and debt-holders were a condition of the government bailout.

GM said it could need up to $30 billion from the Treasury Department, up from a previous estimate of $18 billion. That includes $13.4 billion the company has already received. The world's largest automaker said it could run out of money by March without new funds and needs $2 billion next month and another $2.6 billion in April.

"We have a lot of work to do," GM Chairman and Chief Executive Rick Wagoner said. "We're still going at this with a great sense of urgency."

GM's request includes a credit line of $7.5 billion to be used if the downturn is more pronounced than expected. But the automaker claimed it could be profitable in two years and repay its loans by 2017.

The requests pale in comparison to what it might cost taxpayers if GM or Chrysler go bankrupt, said Aaron Bragman, auto industry analyst for the consulting firm IHS Global Insight in Troy, Mich.

"These are not small, insignificant organizations," he said. "These are the lifeblood of American manufacturing."

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The company looked into three bankruptcy scenarios, all of which would cost the government more than $30 billion, GM Chief Operating Officer Fritz Henderson said. The worst scenario would cost $100 billion because GM's revenue would severely drop, he said.

Although little is known about whether people would buy cars from a bankrupt automaker, some research "suggests that sales fall off a cliff," Henderson said.

Chrysler LLC requested $5 billion in new loans on top of the $4 billion it received in December. That's $2 billion more than expected.

Both requests were part of restructuring plans the two automakers owed the government in exchange for earlier loans.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who will lead an Obama administration task force reviewing the plans, said his team would meet "later this week to analyze the companies' plans and to solicit the full range of input from across the administration."

Dearborn, Mich.-based Ford, which borrowed billions from private sources before credit markets tightened, has said it can make it through 2009 without government help.

GM and Chrysler plan to reduce the number of models they offer. GM raised the possibility its Saturn brand could be phased out and said its Swedish-based Saab unit could file bankruptcy this month.

The restructuring plans must be vetted by the Obama administration's new autos team. President Barack Obama's top spokesman told reporters aboard Air Force One on Tuesday that he wouldn't rule out bankruptcy for the Detroit automakers.

The GM job cuts include 10,000 salaried and 37,000 blue-collar positions, amounting to 19 percent of its current global work force of 244,500. Jobs outside the U.S. account for 26,000 of the reductions.

The cuts would take place by the end of this year, and more would follow: The new plan has the U.S. work force declining from about 92,000 hourly and salaried employees at year-end 2008 to 72,000 by 2012.

Wagoner said the new plan was "significantly more aggressive" than the one presented to the government on Dec. 2 because the global economy and auto sales had deteriorated swiftly.

Chrysler had 54,007 employees at the end of 2008, so Tuesday's cuts would equal about 6 percent of its work force.

Auburn Hills, Mich.-based Chrysler said it now projects that automakers will sell 10.1 million vehicles in the U.S. this year, the lowest level in four decades.

"We have continued to see an unprecedented decline in the automotive sector," Chrysler Chief Executive Bob Nardelli said.

Chrysler will eliminate the Dodge Aspen, Durango and Chrysler PT Cruiser, company president Jim Press said. The Aspen and Durango, both large sport utility vehicles, have sold poorly while the PT Cruiser, released to much fanfare in 2000 due to its retro look, has also slumped in sales.

Detroit-based GM said it plans to sell or spin-off its Saturn brand. If those attempts are unsuccessful, GM will phase it out by 2011. GM is discussing the sale of its Hummer division and could complete the talks by March.

The automaker has also sought buyers for its Saab unit. Selling or eliminating those brands would leave GM to focus on Chevrolet, Cadillac, GMC and Buick, with Pontiac reduced to one or two models.

GM would also reduce the number of vehicle models, dropping the nameplates from 48 in 2008 to 36 by 2012, four fewer models than in the December plan. All of GM's major U.S. vehicle launches from 2009 to 2014 would be high-mileage cars and crossovers.

Details were unveiled the same day President Barack Obama signed into law a massive economic recovery plan. Signs that the recession was deepening were more immediate for investors, however, and they dumped stocks and pushed oil prices sharply lower.

The UAW said discussions were continuing regarding the union-run trust fund that will take on retiree health care expenses starting next year.

Terms of the union deal were not announced, but they were expected to eliminate the jobs bank in which laid-off workers get most of their pay, as well as changes that make the companies' labor costs competitive with their Japanese counterparts that have U.S. factories.

"The changes will help these companies face the extraordinarily difficult economic climate in which they operate," UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said in a statement.

GM Chief Financial Officer Ray Young said the company hopes to exchange two-thirds of its roughly $28 billion in unsecured bond debt by the end of March. Bondholders, he said, signed a letter saying that they were making progress with the company.

GM bondholders said in a statement it was "premature to comment on any specific terms" in the plan. They said they couldn't "make an accurate or conclusive assessment of the company's longterm viability without specific details of the tentative agreement" between GM and the UAW.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said she was hopeful the plans would help lead to the "transformation of our domestic automobile industry into a viable, technologically advanced, and globally competitive manufacturing force."

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AP Auto Writers Dan Strumpf in New York and Kimberly S. Johnson in Detroit contributed to this story. Associated Press Writer Ken Thomas reported from Washington.

DETROIT — General Motors and Chrysler said Tuesday their request for federal aid ballooned to a staggering $39 billion _ only months after receiving billions in loans _ in new plans that envisio...
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- DonKrieger I'm a Fan of DonKrieger 3 fans permalink
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We have created a Recovery page:
http://publicservice.evendon.com/Recovery.html

Everything there is in our standard format.

You will find
- the Restructuring Plans for Chrysler and GM,
- the current report on Lending by Banks who have received TARP funds,
- the final version of the Recovery and Reinvestment Act,
- the description of the President's Foreclosure plan, and more

Loading is very fast.
Everything is free and permanent.
Each page includes a highlighted link which you can copy/paste to cite the page online.

Don
http://publicservice.evendon.com
Pittsburgh, PA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 02/19/2009
- DonKrieger I'm a Fan of DonKrieger 3 fans permalink
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We have created a "Recovery" page on our site:
http://publicservice.evendon.com/Recovery.html

It's a very simple page. There you will find the Chrysler and GM restructuring plans, the Treasury Department's reports on bank lending, the final version of the Recovery and Reinvestment Act, and more.

Everything has been placed is in our convenient format.
- Loading is very fast.
- Everything is free and permanent.
- Each page includes a highlighted link which you can copy/paste to cite the page online.

Don
Pittsburgh, PA
http://publicservice.evendon.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 02/19/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 37 fans permalink

GM Brands:
Chevy: This should be the people's car brand, just like VW was for germany. Use this line for quality, reliable small cars and green cars in this line. (Beat, Cruze, Volt, Avenger, Chyrsler 200ev, etc.) Out market Toyota which frankly has crappy quality but superb marketing and lots of gullible sheeple who fell for the Pious greenwash. Move the trucks from this brand (Silverado, Colorado, etc into either teh dodge or GMC brands) . Bring across some of the Vauxhall/Opel models from the EU and UK.
GMC: similar to Dodge, truck only focused on utility and quality. This is still the biggest market segment in the US and always will be once the small car fad completely dies again in a few years, which we all know it will.
Cadillac: Either make this exclusively luxury focused or ditch it. No more SUVs in this group. Just luxury cars, including the Converj. Limit to 3 or 4 total models.
Pontiac: Performance and muscle cars. Move the Charger, Camero, Viper, Corvette and other performance models under this brand.


SAAB and Hummer -- Sell to Tata or China. These are not redeemable in the short term. SAAB is a pseudo european faux badge that nobody believes is actually European anymore and HUmmer, while we all know it will make a massive comeback, it won't be for many years and it is basically a ghetto-fabulous copy of the Jeep line anyway, which is much more iconic and valuable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 02/19/2009

You can drive all the Chevy's you like. Take em' all. I will stick to my Hondas and Toyotas. They never let me down. The comparison with VW is probably not that bad... poorly built boring cars for way too much money.

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 02/19/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 37 fans permalink

"The comparison with VW is probably not that bad... poorly built boring cars for way too much money. "

you should be a copywriter. that sounds like the perfect description of a Prius. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 02/19/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 37 fans permalink

What is the market cap of Chrysler and GM at this point?

I'm all for saving the US manufacturers, but it seems the cheapest, simplest way to do this is for the government to buy a majority stake in these companies. That way, the governemnt can inject capital and take control without wiping out existing shareholders and further killing the Dow all for less than the cost of these loans. I understand teh oyth foaming fringies demand nothing less than the principals of Cerberus being hung drawn and quartered, but that's cutting of one's own nose to spite one's face.

Once that is done, the two companies could be merged into one and streamlined as follows or in some similar way:
Chrysler brand:
Jeep: dump the patriot and compass. There is no real market for small fuel efficient jeeps. Focus on the EV Jeep to greenwash the line for the fringies. Dodge: Dodge is really the truck and cheap sedan line. Make it truck focused only (including the 3500 vans based off the truck base) and combine the sedans with one of Chevy's lines. The oddball is the viper but that could find a home elsewhere too.
Chrysler: This brand is all over the map with performance touring cars like the 300 and rebadged step children from all of the other lines (Aspens from Durangos, sebrings from Avengers, etc.). This could be focused on green, cheap sedans or combined with Cadillac.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 02/19/2009

Why should the government buy a company that nobody else wants? To sink endless amounts of taxpayer money into it?

Get real, Ein. Let's reward excellence and not failure like during the Bush years.

How about we buy shares of Toyota and Honda? They are a way better investment for the tax payer.

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 02/19/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 37 fans permalink

Why would we buy shares of Toyota---they already get plenty of illegal subsidies from the japanese government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 02/19/2009
- smag I'm a Fan of smag 4 fans permalink

Wall Street and the Fed Government have a lot in common. They both reward people who perform poorly and don't mind spending other peoples' money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 02/19/2009
- swanie I'm a Fan of swanie 39 fans permalink
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NNNNOOOO ! ! ! !

Enough of this! Sooner or later, we have to bite the bullet, and realize we cannot cannot sve the economy and the American people by bailing out all these "we don't get it" banks and CORRUPT auto makers.

Give GM's share to Ford as FORD is the only compan with any original ideas and management sense.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 02/18/2009

It disgusts me that the gov will consider a bail out a "for profit" business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 02/18/2009

Politicians will keep Free Trade with China and other nations until we all live in cardboard boxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 02/18/2009

Sadly, the best cardboard boxes come from China. They just don't make quality like that in the US any more.

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 02/18/2009
- rowzeer I'm a Fan of rowzeer 13 fans permalink

We don't make anything in the US anymore period

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 02/19/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 37 fans permalink

Only you would put the words "quality" and China together.

Now, is it melamine or lead which contaminates those boxes, one wonders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 02/19/2009
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CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 02/18/2009
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Yeah, that's it... take people's jobs away...

THAT WILL HELP THEM BUY MORE GOODS AND SERVICES!

Good grief, humans are the S T U P I D E S T creatures in all God's creation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 02/18/2009

There is no work for these people. There wasn't really any work for them ten years ago when the car companies should have modernized and implemented significant efficiency increases. Now that train (the one with the structured layoffs and some amount of compensation/re-education measures) has left the station, of course, so all there is left is a fire sale (or fire layoffs, if you will).

Just figure... all the things a GM employee could have learned and done in ten years if they had been laid off when it was the right time. They would be back in the game now. Instead they are facing a very steep cliff of a multi-year depression which will give them next to no chance to recover. Ten years older and deeper in debt... the house not worth a dime and nothing to show for but a decade of labor for a loser company. Yep, that works really well for those who are on the chopping block right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 02/18/2009

So you would keep making more cars than what is needed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 02/18/2009

The only business the US is still in is oil, military weaponry, govt contracts, and invading sovereign nations. The people have been hammered into punch drunk submission.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 02/18/2009

The United States has become a third world nation. There has been irreparable harm done to the middle class and even the upper classes have been knocked down a few rungs on the ladder. The country you grew up in the the 60's or70's or 80's no longer exists; and most of the big business corporations you think of as wealthy are just bleeding money and market share every day.

Even microsoft is cutting costs. Young people should get the best education that you can and start your own business; the jobs are gone and they are not coming back.

This all started with nafta; and the manufacturing flight to cheap slave labor and materials.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 02/18/2009

Silke1, NAFTA did not start the war in Iraq. It did not neglect fuel and energy efficiency measures for three decades. It did not cause the collapse of the US school system. It is not responsible for the dot-com bubble and the housing Ponzi scheme. None of the great political and economic failures of the US are being caused by foreign trade.

While I understand your need for a single root cause of your self made misery, let me give you a piece of advice: a drug addict does not come clean by blaming the drug dealer. They only come clean by discovering that they are doing it to themselves. The US is a nation of addicts. It needs a rehab. Cutting off one drug (consumerism) among a dozen will not make things better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 02/18/2009
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Nah, better for Americans to go broke and hungry. They need a good taste of reality. Maybe that will finally smarten them up... but I doubt it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 02/18/2009

hey i know its bad but get serious. real third world countries would probably find it pretty insulting to hear the richest country in the world comparing an economic downturn to their situation. please have a bit of perspective and try not to be so hysterical

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 02/18/2009
- rowzeer I'm a Fan of rowzeer 13 fans permalink

It started b/f NAFTA when Reagan gave the corporations huge tax cuts. They used their windfalls to send manufacturing jobs oversees.

I don't mind giving companies a tax break if they are CREATING jobs not OUTSOURCING jobs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 02/19/2009

YAY!!!!!! WOOT!!!!!!! Congratulations media you did it!!

All of your doom and gloom about how bad the economy is and the real estate market has been for the last three years has finally screwed the economy big time!!! It is only logical that if Bob Smith (and millions of others) keeps hearing that no one is buying homes, then he will think to himself maybe I should not buy a home either! Yea media, aren't you happy!!!

http://www.TheCommentDepot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 02/18/2009

Sorry, Ostrich, but I doubt anyone is going to click on one of your links...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 02/18/2009
- badfluffy I'm a Fan of badfluffy 5 fans permalink

In poker we call this being "pot committed"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 02/18/2009

look here is the thing.

I dont think the govt. can force unsecured debt holders to accept equity. who knows, maybe they will come around themselves and accept debt-to-equity swap.

until then its just dancing around the musical chair. Until the unsecured debt of 27 billion is cut by 2/3rd or more, GM is just circling the drain. and if they do accept the swap, equity is worthless hehehe (tremendous dilution !!).

GM is dead for stockholders (watch out for the message boards where people posting that this is the deal of the century...more like the dog with fleas of the century!!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 02/18/2009
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