A Message To Obama: Study Mandela

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February 19, 2009 12:33 PM

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One of America's most prominent and well-respected pollsters has a piece of advice for Barack Obama: study Nelson Mandela.

Stan Greenberg, who helped guide Bill Clinton to the White House in 1992 and was credited by Mandela for his presidential victory in '94, drew political parallels between the current White House occupant and the famed anti-Apartheid leader. Both transcended deep and bitter racial divisions, he said. Both promised a fundamental restructuring of the political and economic institutions in their countries.

But Mandela's political history also contains a cautionary note, one from which Obama would be wise to learn: even in the most fortunate of circumstances, politicians stumble.

"I would advise [Obama] to read the Mandela chapter very closely," said Greenberg, discussing his newly released book, "Dispatches From The War Room," which documents his work with five prominent world leaders. "Obviously you had a big crisis and big transformation then. There were new electoral alignments and [Mandela] had high popular support and some big achievements. And yet, even there, when people are desperate, you can lose their support."

"I'm really impressed with Obama and his leadership and his White House and his team," he added. "I'm impressed with the big forces that have emerged from winning the 2006 and 2008 elections, which have created a powerful moment for Obama to do well. But, it is also true that in every place that I've worked, even in South Africa with Mandela, [presidents and prime ministers] have all struggled to keep people with them. There is disillusionment in every one of these cases. There is a sense of high hopes and then despair when they fail to deliver. Look at the South Africa chapter on this. You have Mandela who [brought] an end of segregation, people of color now sitting in the parliament after it was all white, water and electricity going to the African areas, and within a year it is like nothing. 'Where is the housing? Where are the jobs?' It quickly turned into disillusionment."

It is a hard reality for elected officials to confront, but one that Obama should brace for. In "Dispatches From The War Room," Greenberg details how, just years after triumphantly ascending to power, Mandela was confronted with bleak news: his party was being blamed for failures in governance and was sitting at the "red line" of 50 percent popularity.

"Mandela was disturbed and did not dispute the reality or mask his distress," Greenberg writes of a breakfast the two shared one morning in Johannesburg. "Then, rather than drawing a wise conclusion as he usually does, he simply said, 'We have much to do.'"

Dislodged from its complacency, the ANC went on to retain power in the next election (though Mandela was not on the ballot). But the lesson of that event -- one that Greenberg learned all too well from the U.S. congressional elections in 1994 -- was that, in politics, nothing lasts.

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"All of these leaders are weaker than we think they are," said Greenberg. "Maybe that won't be true with Obama. But there always ends up being competing forces... It is not like they walk away from their promises. They are all desperate to succeed on the things they ran on."

Greenberg should know. He has consulted and polled for some of the most dynamic and, in some elements, tragic figures in global politics, individuals whose careers were defined at the crossing of politics and principles. As detailed in "Dispatches," for example, Tony Blair found his career "undermined" by the crystallization of his religious and ideological support for the Iraq War. "He tried to educate his own country and its voters and he moved them," he said. "But, ultimately, he lost."

On an opposite end stands Ehud Barak, who came to his high-minded moment from a position of weakness -- "a popularity rating lower than George Bush during his low point in the Iraq War," as Greenberg describes it. And yet, in the process of attempting to forge a peace settlement at Camp David in 2000, he managed to persuade a significant portion of the Israeli populace that the division of Jerusalem was a bitter pill that must be swallowed.

"He said he would never cross that red line," recalled Greenberg. "And I told him, I think this is one issue that is a dead end. But I watched over one month when people were forced to face the issues and the advantages of reaching an agreement. And I think there was a 20-point shift in attitude over about a four-week period. I said to myself: 'If I can't believe people on Jerusalem why should I believe them on anything.'"

There are a variety of lessons that Obama could draw from these and other anecdotes in Greenberg's book: polls are important but should be considered with caution; popularity is finite. To this point, Greenberg applauded Obama's willingness to govern from outside the confines of the White House. "He has gone out to bring people early on to put pressure on Washington to make change," he said.

But all of this, he cautions, should be done with the knowledge that expectations can be a double-edged sword. Shortly before the humiliating defeats in the '94 election, Greenberg penned a memo for the White House. "The discussion of economic progress must always acknowledge that most people are not feeling the change and that progress is not good enough." The idea was that if the president were to claim legislative victory, he would alienate those voters who continued to feel left behind. "I soon realized that Clinton, who never settled for less than an A for effort, just wouldn't say it," Greenberg writes. The ANC leaders were more receptive to the message.

For Obama to learn from Mandela and avoid Clinton's fate he may very well have to confront a similar political dynamic.

"There has to be a perception that the Democrats are governing successfully," said Greenberg, "that they are acting valiantly to make progress and not stuck by gridlock or being corrupted by Washington, that they continue to battle for ordinary people. And there needs to be some evidence that there is some movement upwards in 2010."

One of America's most prominent and well-respected pollsters has a piece of advice for Barack Obama: study Nelson Mandela. Stan Greenberg, who helped guide Bill Clinton to the White House in 1992 and...
One of America's most prominent and well-respected pollsters has a piece of advice for Barack Obama: study Nelson Mandela. Stan Greenberg, who helped guide Bill Clinton to the White House in 1992 and...
 
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This month's Harper's Magazine has a pretty good comparison between Obama and Mandela and the lessons that Obama can take from Mandela's experiences. I updated my blog with a comparison of the two over the weekend. You can find the post at the link below:

http://ricoexplainsitall.squarespace.com/politcs-economy/2009/3/1/the-obamandela-dilemma.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 03/02/2009
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 157 fans permalink

Comparing Obama to Mandela and Clinton.........there are much worse fates than to be compared to these two men, who accomplished much, and who tried to run government for the benefit of everyone, not just the most powerful and the richest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 02/20/2009
- Ugonna I'm a Fan of Ugonna 15 fans permalink

nice warning, but I think Obama has already begun the work of downplaying ppl's expectations and not letting them expect too much too soon. It is one of the reasons why many say they're willing to wait a year or two(something I don't think they'd normally do for another president).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 02/19/2009
- Whinger I'm a Fan of Whinger 48 fans permalink
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How many wars and conflicts have we seen?

The political leaders on this planet NEVER learn from mistakes, perpetual Groundhog day!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 02/19/2009

Everyone has an opinion for Obama. Do FDR, do Mandela, do ????, do ????.
He was elected because he did Obama, let the man do his job and stop trying to make him someone he isn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 02/19/2009
- JMBrodie I'm a Fan of JMBrodie 280 fans permalink
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Thank you.

Am I being over-sensitive here, or is there this desire to treat Obama as if he were a child leaving home for the first time?

Some of us need to chill. Who next? Ghandi? Mansa Musa? Napoleon? My Cousin Vinny?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 02/19/2009
- Nzuzo I'm a Fan of Nzuzo 2 fans permalink

THREE THINGS that Mandela and Obama have in common.

1. that they do not believe in returning evil for evil
2. Their desire to see others thrive, and respect of human rights is the fabric of their being
3. Last but not least they are both intelligent and articulate orators and lawyers :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 02/19/2009
- reno1190 I'm a Fan of reno1190 18 fans permalink
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THANK YOU,WELL SAID

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 02/19/2009

Pissed off wives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 02/19/2009
- NavyMom44 I'm a Fan of NavyMom44 4 fans permalink

you mean Cindy? yeah was pissed off especially during inauguration week

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 02/19/2009
- JMBrodie I'm a Fan of JMBrodie 280 fans permalink
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I'm thinking Michelle is in a pretty good mood these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 02/19/2009
- sankofaman I'm a Fan of sankofaman 2 fans permalink

Moronic and idiotic comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 02/19/2009

THANK YOU to both Sam Stein and Stan Greenberg for those words of wisdom to our NEW President. Yes he is a great man, however, those are usually the ones who falter when they begin to see themselves as being super human.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 02/19/2009
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Don't think you really understand South African politics. Madiba has always been a party man. ANC all the way. Do you really want the Brother President to be a party man...or his own man?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 02/19/2009
- jowilli I'm a Fan of jowilli 3 fans permalink
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Sorry Mr. Stein but I think President Obama is a helluva lot brighter than you are and does not need your advice of who or what to study.

Maybe YOU could take a few lessons from him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 02/19/2009

We can all learn from each other....if we are smart enough to respect each other and listen.

All of us can learn from the Nelson Mandella experience. He was called a criminal by powerful respected men who were in fact murderous thugs themselves. He spent years in prison in a regime that also like to play word games with torture and related legal matters. He never gave up and was eventually able to have a huge impact on the world.

I think if a five year old told Obama to study Mandella, it would still be good advice.
Maybe you should study him too, jowli.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 02/19/2009
- Ted LPD I'm a Fan of Ted LPD 24 fans permalink
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Learn from who?
Prez BO has a differrent configuration -- 21st Century configuration. 1993 is old story!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 02/19/2009
- PATina I'm a Fan of PATina 254 fans permalink
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That would be one smart 5 year old.... hahahahahaha

But seriously.... I agree. I don't know when it became a bad thing to give advice. The person receiving it can use it (or not) at his/her pleasure. So glad that President Obama doesn't think the way a lot of his supporters think. You'd think for as much as they idolize the man.... they'd at least try to emulate him (i.e. listen to ALL sides, doesn't mind criticism, etc.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 02/19/2009
- PATina I'm a Fan of PATina 254 fans permalink
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Maybe YOU could learn how to read. Stein only wrote the article the advice came from Stan Greenberg.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 02/19/2009

A lesson on smokes and cocaine?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 02/19/2009
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

So "both" transcended deep and bitter racial divisions? I don't think so! It is the pretense of the race-baiters and race pimps that racism is still deep and bitter in the USA, but mostly it is only a dagger of their minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 02/19/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 291 fans permalink

I think FDR and Lincoln are better role models for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 02/19/2009

Hitler and Stalin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 02/19/2009
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Um one is a Marxist and the other a Fascist so which one is Obama? You repugs aren't even consistent with the insults you try to hurl at Obama stick with one and stop confusing everybody including yourselves!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 02/19/2009
- dct1999 I'm a Fan of dct1999 396 fans permalink
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Sorry, the republicans already used all the pages from those playbooks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 02/19/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 291 fans permalink

So you are RECOMMENDING those two as Models????????

You really ARE a conservative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 02/19/2009
- Deparis I'm a Fan of Deparis 25 fans permalink

Terrific work Sam, need I say as usual?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 02/19/2009
- dct1999 I'm a Fan of dct1999 396 fans permalink
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Maybe you should have studied the history of racistimages before you appeared on MSNBC last night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 02/19/2009
- jowilli I'm a Fan of jowilli 3 fans permalink
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Definitely!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 02/19/2009

I caught that appearance as well, and I was a Little shock.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 02/19/2009
- bellrich I'm a Fan of bellrich 2 fans permalink
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One sure way to make a mistake is to try too hard not to make one. Obama should just be himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 02/19/2009
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Perhaps the problem is Obama IS beign himself, and himself is a not-very-efficient chief executive.

" 1) He is a very, very big-picture man, and he delegates decisions even on the central points of vital issues.

2) For tactical reasons, he decided these matters were not worth using up political chits.

3) He is either hesitant or unskilled at management, and he let matters drift until it seemed too late to intervene personally.

4) Or his personality type leaves him surprisingly uninterested in things that aren't personally about him.

Whatever the reason, this level of presidential detachment from high policy decision making is dangerous in a White House that has so many czars and other senior players (the West Wing staff is reputed to be more than 130 -- about double the usual number) combined with emissaries and strong-willed Cabinet secretaries. It may well lead to what has been called (regarding another country's government) "the immanent structurelessness to the running of the state.""
--Tony Blankley

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 02/19/2009
- dct1999 I'm a Fan of dct1999 396 fans permalink
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Tony Blankley? hahahahahahahaha

This is the man who agreed with a column that described GWB as a "grand strategist".

LMAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 02/19/2009
- jowilli I'm a Fan of jowilli 3 fans permalink
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Excuse me but I think you are refering to G.W. or maybe you're just lost. Your comment is nonsensical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 02/19/2009
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Perhaps his style is not "Just Do It!" but "Just West Wing It!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 02/19/2009
- ObamaRican I'm a Fan of ObamaRican 2 fans permalink

Dang this is a long book plug! Obama knows where he's been, where he is, and where were going together if, and only if, we pull together as a nation. This means bridging the traditional political chasms. Please reference the current stimulus and the ideological posturing that's going on. Not good for unity, progress, or success.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 02/19/2009
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Or perhaps George Soros is really running things, as many fear...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 02/19/2009
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Commercials on the AM radio let you get to the keyboard? Good to see you, T-boy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 02/19/2009
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

The serious worry is that HE IS BEING HIMSELF, and himself isn't showing much executive eladership skills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 02/19/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 229 fans permalink

Except, you know, his entire career. Keep your fantasies to yourself, we really couldn't care less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 02/19/2009
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AND THAT CLOWN BUSH DID, YOU ARE AS SHALLOW AS GWB

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 02/19/2009
- cdub1991 I'm a Fan of cdub1991 64 fans permalink

Where this analysis falls short is that I don't think Obama sees or conducts himself as a revloutionary or transformational actor in the Mandela sense. He rather thinks like a project manager. He has a goal, he has steps that have to be taken to get there, there are metrics and milestones for measuring progress and risks that have to be managed along the way. Public perception and acceptance is one of those risks. He does so by trying to get populace to think big ideas, but to think about them in real time. That's what tamping back expectations is all about. He isn't trying to backtrack on promises or make excuses for failure, but rather to convince people to expect transformation to take time. If he succeeds at managing this risk, he should be able to maintain a workable level of approval from the populace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 02/19/2009

We are in uncharted territory with the economy things like this have never happened before, countries economies haven't been this intertwined since the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 02/19/2009
- Ted LPD I'm a Fan of Ted LPD 24 fans permalink
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If you have looked closely.... you would discovered that Prez has been a strategic leader using all forms of leadership

situational, influential, facilitator, and change manager.
Mandela was okay in his times. Today we have a mountain of problems... complex and multi-dimentional. The US is not SA... apples and oranges.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 02/19/2009
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