Madoff Ponzi Scheme: No Indication Stocks Were Ever Purchased

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TOM HAYS | February 20, 2009 06:15 PM EST | AP

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In this Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2009 file photo, Bernard L. Madoff, the accused mastermind of a $50 billion Ponzi scheme, leaves Federal Court in New York. Irving Picard, the trustee in charge of untangling the mess brought on by the Madoff scandal told investors Friday, Feb. 20, 2009, there was no indication the disgraced money manager bought securities for his clients. (AP Photo/Stuart Ramson, file)

NEW YORK — Investors wiped out by the Bernard Madoff scandal got more bad news on Friday: Investigators have confirmed suspicions that the monthly statements showing the disgraced financier was making stock trades for them were pure fiction.

"We have no evidence to indicate securities were purchased for customer accounts" in the past 13 years, said court-appointed trustee Irving Picard at a packed, town-hall style meeting at U.S. Bankruptcy Court in lower Manhattan. "This is a case where we're going to be looking at cash in and cash out" _ the shorthand definition of a Ponzi scheme.

Picard, who is overseeing the liquidation of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, called the meeting to give the investors a progress report on his efforts to unravel the alleged fraud.

Madoff was arrested in December after investigators said he confessed to his sons that he had swindled investors of $50 billion in a Ponzi scheme. The 70-year-old former Nasdaq chairman remains confined to his Manhattan apartment under house arrest.

The trustee so far has recovered an estimated $950 million in assets _ including works of art at Madoff's midtown office _ that would be used to help cover claims likely to reach into the billions. He also hopes to raise money by selling a legitimate trading arm of the business, which still has 40 employees.

A lawyer working for Picard also warned that the trustee would seek to recover _ or "claw back" _ phony profits earned by some investors so they can be redistributed to others.

"There wasn't any stock bought or sold," said the attorney, David Sheehan. "It was all just made up. ... You got somebody else's money."

Picard said that about 2,400 people have filed claims _ a total expected to rise sharply before the July 2 deadline.

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The presentation did little to calm investors' nerves.

"There's a lot of frustration and fear because it doesn't feel like anyone is doing enough to help the individual investor," Bennett Goldworth said afterward.

The 52-year-old Goldworth said he had lost "several million," forcing him to put his Florida home up for sale and move in with his father in Manhattan.

One investor complained about both Madoff and the federal Securities and Exchange Commission, which has been harshly criticized for failing to detect the Ponzi scheme despite red flags raised to agency staff by outsiders over the course of a decade.

Raymond Spungin, 77, of Staten Island told Picard he had checked with the SEC before investing with Madoff in the early 1990s.

"They said Madoff was the greatest," he said. "We're the victims not only of Madoff but of the incompetence of the SEC." He and his wife believed they had $1.8 million in two accounts.

SEC spokesman John Heine said Friday that while the agency offers information on whether investment firms have been penalized, it doesn't give investment advice.

Picard has sought and won permission from a bankruptcy court judge for $28.1 million to cover expenses tied to the liquidation of Madoff's investment firm. Along with proceeds from the sale of assets, victims could qualify for up to $500,000 in funds from the Securities Investor Protection Corp., or SIPC.

Congress created the SIPC in 1970 to protect investors when a brokerage firm fails and cash and securities are missing from accounts.

Detailing the scope of the probe, Picard said his office and criminal investigators are reviewing a mountain of evidence, including 7,000 boxes of records at a Queens warehouse that go back more than a decade.

Sheehan added that investigators are reviewing "thousands and thousands of e-mails" from Madoff's operation, and plan to issue dozens of subpoenas in the coming weeks related to Madoff's business dealings.

Picard cautioned that the criminal investigation is ongoing and said: "We are operating out of a crime scene. There is a limit to what we can say."

Experts have said that the first of any recovery payments for investors who lost money with Madoff might come years in the future. The most likely source is from the liquidation of Madoff's personal assets and any cash in accounts tied to the investment firm.

Madoff has homes in Montauk and Palm Beach, Fla., a penthouse in Manhattan and a handful of yachts. Prosecutors have accused him of mailing off millions of dollars in personal assets to family members while under house arrest.

Sheehan said the assets of Madoff "insiders" could also be seized and liquidated.

"We are looking at every member of the Madoff family," he said.

But the investors were told the effort has been hampered by secrecy and a lack of cooperation by Madoff's inner circle, who have "lawyered up."

The alleged fraud "took place on the 17th floor," Picard said, referring to the office where Madoff ran his separate investment-advisory operation. "The rooms were under lock and key."

NEW YORK — Investors wiped out by the Bernard Madoff scandal got more bad news on Friday: Investigators have confirmed suspicions that the monthly statements showing the disgraced financier was ...
NEW YORK — Investors wiped out by the Bernard Madoff scandal got more bad news on Friday: Investigators have confirmed suspicions that the monthly statements showing the disgraced financier was ...
 
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Keep in mind this man was chairman of NASDAQ. Un f'n believable. A fraud of this magnitude and far reaching scope did not escape detection by big wall street banks. Their silence was an ear shattering endorsement. Now we are sending them more money.

We must take over the banks. It worked during the depression, it worked during the S&L banking crisis and will work again. One thing you can count on, as soon as this mess gets cleaned up, wall street will cook up another way to screw Americans out of their savings and tax dollars. Wall street crooks aren't capable of protecting our assets. And the extreme right wing is still arguing that wall street should manage social security because (in their words) "wall street is the expert at managing money".

BTW: You can find video of this man testifying. along with his peers, before congress arguing that more regulation is not needed on wall street. In retrospect, he is positively creepy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 02/24/2009
- LHoney I'm a Fan of LHoney 44 fans permalink
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So..... what on earth did the SEC examine??? what kind of coffee was served in the conference room?? That entire organization needs to implode and start from scratch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 02/24/2009

They can only find $950 million? Where's the rest of the $50 billion? Waterboard Bernie until he sings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 02/23/2009

He will not go to jail as his picture is on your dollar bills. If he had to do time he would probably sue the Federal Reserve for royalties using his portrait.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 02/23/2009

To quote Gordon Gheko..."GREED"! Put this thief in prison with all the other degenerates before he also "dies" suddenly, and vanishes like that Enron chief. He has enough money, as that guy does, to go somewhere and get a complete makeover and live happily everafter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 02/23/2009
- ZoeyMO I'm a Fan of ZoeyMO 7 fans permalink

Good God! This man ran NASDAQ! So this is the "best and brightest" that our "free market system" has to offer? This is the inevitable result of the economic policies of the Republicans from Reagan on down. "Trickle down" is a code word for "greed is good" and "whoever dies with the most toys wins". Well, the country as a whole bought it for way too long and look what we have to show for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 02/23/2009
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If people are going to be put in jail, then get on with it.
This has to begin someplace and this crew is the best to make an example of.
However, put them in a real jail so that they can experience fear and report to their friends what it is really like to be scared to death!
No special treatment here. These people are thieves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 02/22/2009

Uh, you cant start with putting people in jail. You have to try them first and get a conviction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 02/22/2009
- norkas I'm a Fan of norkas 28 fans permalink

I know some of the law firms that are representing some of the people riped off by this horriable ponzi scheme.

Some will sue the SEC and win with ease for something like criminal negligence. Do not be foolish the SEC knew about this long ago and they let it go many times.

NYC is the city of massive cover ups and i was part of a billion dollar cover up that one of the largets lawfirms in the world broke the law big time and helped cover it up.

This is the real world and i wish this ponzi scheme and those that were destroyed wake up and undersatnd that Madoff got away with this because he lives in NYC the headquarters of BILLION DOLLAR COVER UPS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 02/23/2009
- norkas I'm a Fan of norkas 28 fans permalink

i WAS A VICTIM OF A MULTI BILLION DOLLAR COVER UP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 02/23/2009
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Dear Posters:

Can anyone answer a couple of questions that have been bothering me: If the SIPC insurance will pay for securities that are fraudulently lost up to $500,000 (which means maximum $400,000 in stocks and maximum $100,000 in cash), but Madoff never put the cash to work in stocks and instead kept everything in cash to shuffle around, how is a victim going to get back $500,000? What is to prevent the SIPC saying to victims that the maximum they can get back is $100,000?

Thanks for any analysis/insight.

Sincerely,
Margant

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 02/22/2009
- jozinha I'm a Fan of jozinha 21 fans permalink
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Maybe the market isn't tanking because of anything that's happening or not happening in D.C. -- or anything to do with or without the banks.

Maybe it's tanking because THIS story shows how devoid of worth the entire system really is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 02/22/2009
- ZoeyMO I'm a Fan of ZoeyMO 7 fans permalink

No, it doesn't show how devoid of worth the entire system is. If his company was not purchasing stocks, he wasn't actually participating in the system. Currently, the system sucks because of lack of oversight, which was true for Madoff's scheme as well, but it is not devoid of worth. When it works, it's a beautiful thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 02/23/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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Mind sharing with us an example of when it does work and is beautiful? Because it seems to me, that when it is working, all it does is siphon money from the working class to rich people surreptitiously -- as opposed to now, where the money gets siphoned in a painfully obvious fashion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 02/23/2009
- Luvial I'm a Fan of Luvial 17 fans permalink

Still no arrests. The news showed a room full of Madoff guys on computers. It no stocks were being traded, what were all those people doing at their computers?

If the government could not figure out MAdoff was stealing money, how do we know if anything they say is true.

All we know for sure is that no one has been arrested. A lot of Madoff money must have gone to Democratic and Republican politicians for protection.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 02/22/2009

There were two parts to his business. One of the parts, with the employees you mention, was legit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 02/22/2009
- delta7777 I'm a Fan of delta7777 10 fans permalink
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"We have no evidence to indicate securities were purchased for customer accounts"......

what's the problem-its:

-------just like naked shorting-------

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 02/22/2009

If he had purchased sucurities, there would be another $50 BILLION rushing to sell which would just make stocks go down faster then they already are doing. However, in the end, I don't think it will matter as the stocks will fall until they find their equilibrium with or without the $50 BILLION in extra sales.

If he had actually purchased $50 in Stock for his clients, they would all be fleeing for the exits anyway, leaving the 401k retirements as the last ones out the door.

I feel terrible for for those who got ripped off, even though some were the richest people in America - they still got ripped off and most made their money playing by the rules and there was a lot of charitable organizations that got ripped off.

I wish there was something that I could do to help. I would even send money to a fund to help these people who went from riches to rags. Not a lot, but I would send $20 to the fund to be distributed to those who lost their entire life savings only if it capped them out at $500,000 each.

Is there a charitable fund to help those who got wiped out by Madoofs Ponzi Scheme or is class warfare now so embedded in our society that those who were once rich and got it stolen from them should never be allowed to play victim?

Just wondering?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 02/22/2009

1st sentence bad spelling sorry :) I meant to write "securities" not sucurities. I was not implying that people that invested in Madoff were suckers. This guy was a masterful ripoff artist and only the most discerning of clientele could have detected it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 02/22/2009

Oh give me a friggin' break. Go donate 20 bucks to the salvation army or your local animal shelter. These people got hosed because they were greedy. Most were rich as hell already. The statements didn't make any sense, but as long as the returns were coming in, they weren't complaining. So boo hoo. I'll save my twenty bucks I worked hard for and let these poor suckers scratching their heads.

"Never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump." E.E. Cummings had it right all along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 02/23/2009
- All4ME I'm a Fan of All4ME 6 fans permalink
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George Washington's evil twin...

I think there should be a reality show in which Wall Street criminals trade spaces with families in foreclosure.

Please, sentence me to living in the Madoff's penthouse, ordering take-out from Le Bernardin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 02/22/2009

Somebody please tell me again, why isn't this bastard in jail? Why is he still residing comfortably in a penthouse in NYC? If Madoff had been poor, especially black, and had stole $50 from a 7/11, in stead of $50 billion for investors, he would definitely be in jail. I read recently that we have a legal system, not a justice system. The Madoff investigation is proof positive of that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 02/22/2009

If he had been white, middle class and stole 100K from investors, he would be in prison too. There is no justice for anyone who makes under a couple million a year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 02/23/2009

Is this guy a George Washington look alike or not?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 02/22/2009

Why is this man still allowed to walk among us? There are lesser criminals who are currently incarcerated! Madoff destroyed lives! He needs to go to jail!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 02/22/2009

to answer your question: he's white!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 02/22/2009

Unless the Court finds him to be a flight risk, or a danger to others, he can't be put in jail. He has not been tried and convicted of anything yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 02/22/2009
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