Paul Volcker: Economic Crisis May Be Worse Than Great Depression

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EILEEN AJ CONNELLY | February 20, 2009 06:29 PM EST | AP

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Paul Volcker, Chair of the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, speaks to colleagues during a lunch address at the Center on Capitalism and Society at Columbia University 6th Annual Conference on Emerging from the Financial Crisis Friday, Feb. 20, 2009, in New York. The conference hosted members of the private sector from around the world to share their views on the global economy. (AP Photo/Craig Ruttle)

NEW YORK — "Even the experts don't quite know what's going on."

Speaking to a number of those experts Friday, Paul Volcker, a top economic adviser to President Barack Obama, cited not only the lack of understanding of the global financial meltdown but the "shocking" speed with which it had spread across the world.

"One year ago, we would have said things were tough in the United States, but the rest of the world was holding up," Volcker told a conference featuring Nobel laureates, economists and investors at Columbia University in New York. "The rest of the world has not held up."

In fact, the 81-year-old former chairman of the Federal Reserve said, "I don't remember any time, maybe even the Great Depression, when things went down quite so fast."

He noted that industrial production is falling in countries across the globe faster than in the U.S., one result of the decline caused by the breakdown of unbridled financial markets that operated on a global scale.

"It's broken down in the face of almost all expectation and prediction," he noted.

Volcker didn't offer specifics on how long he thinks the recession will last or what will help start a recovery. But he predicted there will be some lasting lessons from the experience.

"I don't believe it will be forgotten ... and we will revert to the kind of financial system we had before the crisis," he said.

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While he assured his audience of his confidence that capitalism will survive, Volcker said stronger regulations are needed to protect the world economy from such future shocks.

And he said he is concerned about the amount of power central banks, treasuries and regulatory agencies have acquired while trying to contain the meltdown.

"It is evident in the United States, and not just in the United States, the central bank is taking on a role that is way beyond what a central bank should be taking," he said.

Volcker stressed the importance of international cooperation in creating a new regulatory framework, particularly for major banks that operate across national boundaries _ the reverse of what's happened in recent years.

"The more international agreement we have on where we want to get to, the better off we'll be," Volcker said.

And while major banks should be more tightly controlled and less able to make the sort of risky bets that led to their current debacle, Volcker said there should also be more oversight of some kind for hedge funds, equity funds and the remaining investment banks.

He scoffed at the notion that those entities must be free to innovate _ stating that financial "innovations" like asset backed securities and credit default swaps have brought few benefits. The most important "innovation" in banking for most people in the last 20 or 30 years, he maintained, is the automatic teller machine.

NEW YORK — "Even the experts don't quite know what's going on." Speaking to a number of those experts Friday, Paul Volcker, a top economic adviser to President Barack Obama, cited not only the ...
NEW YORK — "Even the experts don't quite know what's going on." Speaking to a number of those experts Friday, Paul Volcker, a top economic adviser to President Barack Obama, cited not only the ...
 
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You are both right. Greed can be good if it is used properly and without defrauding people. I agree with manman about keeping a balance and not going to extremes. I also read attorney John Hermina's book. He seems to discuss those very same issues regarding the basis of our free market society which promotes and rewards success by giving more. However, we as humans should not use others as the stepping stone to accumulating our wealth (negative greed). That attorney John Hermina seems to have gotten it right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 02/28/2009

I love My President, but his core policy is not what will make America more independent of its government or of its world neighbors.

The core problem of the economic crisis, isn't the nature of the Free-Market. The problem, that is the core of the economic crisis, is that Wall-Street runs the Market and not Americans.

We have Political Democracy (arguably, lol), but we have Economic Plutocracy. We need a Change that enables the people to be independent of their government, not subsidized by their government. And I have such a plan that will enable EVERY AMERICAN to become a PROPERTY-CAPITAL OWNER, just like the current Top Ten Percent.... Here it is...

Capital Homsteading for the 21st Century: Economic Justice in an Age of Economic Plutocracy
-http://cesj.org/homestead/summary-cha.htm

The Just Third Way: A New Paradigm for Wealth Creation, Distribution and Ownership
-http://cesj.org/thirdway/paradigmpapers/pressclub-nkmgdb-ppr.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 02/25/2009
- Clayton139 I'm a Fan of Clayton139 25 fans permalink
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This will be the worst in our life time !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 02/23/2009
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Hard to predict if it will be worse. The 1930's had the drought. However, the core economy was not as dependent on fossil fuel energy as we are today, which throws an unknown into the equation. War economy helped to bring us out of the Great Depresssion. But we already have a war economy today, so adding another war isn't going to help. Especially since wars are do dependent on oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 02/23/2009

I saw this happening when Bush stole the election. It's an actual plan. The markets were suppose to crash in Feb. Go to you tube & start right from the 1900's, you'll find info on dates, wars, crashes. Now we have to get out of it. Your banker is not your friend. Keep your gold & money in youe mattress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 02/23/2009
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 36 fans permalink

That headline is very poorly written and extremely irresponsible. That is NOT what Volcker said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 02/23/2009

Using debt to create income - not going to be too much of a long term approach to wealth. It is the latest pyramid scheme and some have gotten wealthy while the rest of us are suffering.

And, unlike the Great Depression, there are few manufacturing jobs left to help pull the nation out of the economic disaster we are in...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 02/23/2009
- joebhed I'm a Fan of joebhed 45 fans permalink
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All money is created as debt.

So all income is "created" as debt.

That debt is repayable with interest.
Repayable with more debt-money and more interest.

So we pay for every bag of groceries three times over.
Once for what's in the bag.
And twice for the privilege of using the debt-money system of the private federal reserve banking cartel.

Or, is that exactly what you were getting at?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 02/23/2009
- Hefner I'm a Fan of Hefner 3 fans permalink

HEY, VOLCKER...WHAT'S TO UNDERSTAND...ALMOST EVERYONE WITH AN INTEREST IN
THE DOMESTIC AND WORLD ECONOMY SAW THIS COMING YEARS AGO...MAY I SUGGES YOU READ SOME ROUBINI, KINZA, GROSS...AND ENGAGE IN SOME REFLECTIVE THOUGHT...THE
BEGINNING SOLUTIONS ARE ALL OUT THERE...BUT THE CORRUPT POLITICAL WILL, GREED,
AND SELF-AGGRANDIZING BEHAVIORS OF CORPORATE TYPES IS WHAT'S HOLDING THE
SHOW UP...MUCH MONEY IS BEING MADE ON THE DOWNSIDE HERE...THE CAPTIAL MARKETS DID NOT COLLAPSE INTO AN UNPROFITABLE BLACK HOLE...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 02/23/2009

The same people who made the money on the upside are also making money on the downside. If you just made a ton of money, and the stocks fall because of how you made that money.....Buy low and sell high, right? They have all that money to buy-up real estate while it's down also. I think they knew exactly what they were doing all along and engineered a catastrophe specifically to profit off of it. Following the paper trail would uncover some of these profiteers, but they didn't follow the 9/11 money, so they're not going to follow this paper either. I know, tin hat, conspiracy theory, etc. That's a cop-out for smelling something fishy but not wanting to locate where that awful smell is coming from. If someone doesn't come along and clean it up, it will just continue to fester and smell worse every day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 02/23/2009
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

If you didn't spend so much time complaining, you might have the money to get in on the upside...

Listen, my car doesn't even run but I buy $400 of stock every month... you know why? Because its more important to creating wealth thsan having a running car... (fortunately I live in a big city)

All you have to do is save. Blue collar people do it all the time, they get rich through hard work and not being wasteful. Then of course they do jump on the opportunity to buy up things like real estate. You know how people can afford to buy real estate? When it goes down in value...

so yeah buy low sell high. don't ever live beyond your means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 02/23/2009
- spinns17 I'm a Fan of spinns17 29 fans permalink

we need to start hanging these crooks for treason

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 02/23/2009
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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I could give a crap what label you give it, this is the worst I've seen in my lifetime.

Marx - Failed
Friedman - failed

What's next? (But whatever it is, it needs to have a *strong* labor/management balance)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 02/23/2009
- joebhed I'm a Fan of joebhed 45 fans permalink
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The money system, my friend.
And Friedman did not have that wrong at all.
He was blinding proof that no economist can be all right or all wrong.

But his quantitative theory on money creation was very sound, and he supported the 100 percent reserve banking proposals put forward in the Chicago Plan for Monetary Reform, which was prepared for FDR.

While these reforms stalled in the Congress due to the power of the money-brokers in those deliberative halls, the Friedman of that day supported these reforms for soundness and stability.

Friedman supported the most progressive monetary reforms ever put forward, those of the Chicago school of the 1930s, at the time the center of the so-called leftist focus of economics.

In turn, Friedman was directly supporting the type of money system advocated and implemented through the legal Tender Act of 1862 by Abe Lincoln.
The debt-free, government-issue of Greenback dollars was fully in keeping with Friedman's view of a proper sound and stable money system.

And, that's the one WE should be going after.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 02/23/2009
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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A handful of financial terrorists stole our money, Washington politicians drove the getaway car. Solution:

- Track down and take back our money and severely punish those who stole it.

What's not to understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 02/23/2009
- spinns17 I'm a Fan of spinns17 29 fans permalink

they stole our country .treason !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 02/23/2009

Is depression here or not? not very clear. But if you look at the past history recessions and depressions come and go. Economies go through cycles and recession is part of the cycle. I just came across a helpful website on the current recession:

http://www.recessioninfocenter.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 02/23/2009
- SangZe I'm a Fan of SangZe 33 fans permalink

You can play around with the terms all you like, but if you ask on the streets, we are in a depression. Sadly, no one in Washington, including Obama, seems to have noticed. They continue to play their games as though it's business as usual. The smug media continues to crap on any non-republican plan to salvage the country, turning it all into a political game. Perhaps it's time the citizens marched on the capital and made themselves visible as well as heard. Toss the jokers out, if that's what it takes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 02/23/2009
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 36 fans permalink

No, no, no... we are not even anywhere NEAR being in a Depression. There aren't many left, but talk to people who remember the Great Depression. This ain't nothing compared to the level of unemployment and poverty back then. NOTHING. Times are tough, no question. But we've got a LONNGGGG way to go before we can this a Depression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 02/23/2009
- shanefish I'm a Fan of shanefish 10 fans permalink
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Here's what I don't get:

If the entire world is in recession, why is it such a big deal? If everyone's money is worthless, then so be it...maybe prices should come down. I know everyone is afraid of a one world currency, is that why everyone is freaking out? I don't see why we can't use this as an oppertunity to re-evaluate our entire system and come up with something better. The reality is that for the last 30 years, the top 1% of this world have stashed over 50% of the world's money in their Swiss bank accounts. I say, make their money worthless and start over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 02/23/2009

I'm with you. The only way to truly fix any of this is to start from scratch, but we can't just stop the world's economy to figure it out, even over a long weekend. They can't even figure-out the derivatives that the mortgages are wrapped-up in (which would go a long way toward getting to the root of the entire problem), much less re-engineer everything. If we are stuck with the same system, can't we just get rid of the people who ruined it, and start fresh? Give someone else a chance to make obscene amounts of money while wrecking the economy. I'll volunteer, and I guarantee I won't wreck it quite as bad. If I wreck it as bad or worse, I'll give back every dime I made. That's much better than the deal we have now.

I can solve the recession right now, as a matter of fact: Pay the wage-slaves more! Index wages with inflation. I know plenty of people ready to spend money in the economy, but as usual, they have no money to spend. I go for days at a time without spending a dime, not because I want to, but because if I spend too much money one week, I'll likely be homeless next month. Almost all of my socks have holes in them, can I please, at least, have a sock stimulus?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 02/23/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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TARP: TAxpayers Rest in Peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 02/23/2009

Private equity companies. Private equity companies. I'm pleased Volcker mentioned equity
companys but WE NEED REGULATIONS. I beg all who read this to google private equity companies like Carlisle Group, etc., and see how the world really, currently. works. REVOLUTION!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 02/23/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 214 fans permalink

Oh, pls the last revolution wa called Marxism.. which looked a lot like laisez -faire capitalism in its economic effects on people.


Lets clean up the mess, make the changes required to prevent this from happening again....and rebuild America as industrial self suffcient power as opposed to getting our rocks off on a 300 million dollar jet that in a more perfect world would never leave the hanger... and who can afford to fly it anyway if we dont correct this. And we will not correct it spnding 200 billion a year in Iraq or 700 billion a year on the military and maintaining 750 foreign bases.


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 02/23/2009
- shanefish I'm a Fan of shanefish 10 fans permalink
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Do you really not see the need for a revolution?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 02/23/2009
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I've been fantasizing about guillotines....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 02/23/2009
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Ooooh...He is sooo scarrrry! Get real people. In 1929 there was no unemployment. In 1929 there were no food stamps. In 1929 there was no Securities and Exchange Commission. In 1929 we had Hoover in office instead of FDR. Get this; Hoover's Sec. of Treasury, Andrew Mellon, told Hoover, " that shock treatment would be the best response: liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate.... That will purge the rottenness out of the system." Where does this sound familiar... Hummm... Oh yah. It is sound like the No Nothing anti-american rethuglicans like Boehner, Rush and Hannity. Volcker can peddle his scary stories to a Hollywood producer. Obama and the Democrats are no on the job. Just like in 1933, 1961 and 1991. We put men on the Moon; surely we can figure this out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 02/22/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 214 fans permalink

Volker is an Obama economic advisor.


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 02/23/2009
- fbr79 I'm a Fan of fbr79 12 fans permalink
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Can't give up the "rethuglicans" speech, gets people so excited they even miss reading the part about Volcker being on Obama's team....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 02/23/2009
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

4TJefferson,

Looks like Democants have their own fear mongers.

Maybe if you read or watched something that wasn't just leftist propaganda you'd know that its the Democrats using the economy to instill fear the same way the Republicans used terrorism to instill fear... unless both parties of course were being honest about these issues.

The point is get over they idea that either party is righteous or evil... thats why Obama wants to be Post-partisan... so people will work together on common causes rather than squabble about things they don't even take the time look into, like who Volker works for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 02/23/2009
- madHenry I'm a Fan of madHenry 54 fans permalink
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Putting footprints on the moon was an easy exercise compared with the intellectual, political, and diplomatic maneuvers this solution will require. Bringing the Apollo 13 crew homw safely is a better analogy, I think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 02/24/2009
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Man on the Moon EASY?! Sure. What about beating Hitler, Tojo and Mussolini in World War II? I guess that was easy; right? How about our own little CIVIL WAR? Easy? Come on that is all you have to bring to the table; Easy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 03/01/2009
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