George Will, Washington Post Mount Defense Of Widely Debunked Editorial [UPDATED]

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February 26, 2009 04:45 PM

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Via Media Matters/Columbia Journalism Review, the Washington Post's Fred Hiatt offered a defense of his own, clearly hoping that the word "inferences" will manage to do some heavy lifting:

"We looked into these allegations, and I have a different interpretation than [those who signed the letter] about what George Will is and is not entitled to," said the paper's editorial page editor, Fred Hiatt. "If you want to start telling me that columnists can't make inferences which you disagree with--and, you know, they want to run a campaign online to pressure newspapers into suppressing minority views on this subject--I think that's really inappropriate. It may well be that he is drawing inferences from data that most scientists reject -- so, you know, fine, I welcome anyone to make that point. But don't make it by suggesting that George Will shouldn't be allowed to make the contrary point. Debate him."


Hiatt said that he has invited both the World Meteorological Organization and the Arctic Ice Center at the University of Illinois to write a letter for publication taking issue with anything that George wrote, but neither organization has taken him up on the offer. Hiatt added that he doesn't think Will has an obligation to point out, "in every column he writes about climate change," that such organizations disagree with his interpretation of their data.

I'm not at all sure Hiatt understands the issue. Clearly, if Will, "in every column he writes about climate change" takes the "data" of different "organizations" and tells his readers that the "data" indicates a "conclusion," and that "conclusion" turns out to be wrong - then Will has not "made an inference." Rather, he has led his readers to "make an inference." An incorrect one, at that. Worse, if Will ascribes these incorrect conclusions to different organizations, then the reader might "infer," again, incorrectly, that these "organizations" endorse these conclusions. This is a very pure and simple instance of Will misleading his readers. Either Hiatt doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking about, or he's saying that literally misleading his readers is fair game for his op-ed page.

That the "World Meteorological Organization and the Arctic Ice Center" have not agreed to "debate" Will is entirely beside the point. I can just imagine it: "Hello, World Meteorological Organization and the Arctic Ice Center! My name is Fred Hiatt! I run a forum in which participants are allowed to mislead people without consequence. How would you like to hold a debate in that forum?" To which they no doubt replied: "Sounds like a waste of time to pursue what is obviously a fool's errand."

Now, did the conversation literally go down like that? I'm going to say yes, it did, because if I go by the Washington Post's own standards, why not? After all, if Fred Hiatt wants to start telling me that I can't make inferences which he disagrees with, I think that's really inappropriate!

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Zachary Roth, over at TPMMuckraker has gotten a look-see at the next column coming from George Will and notes that Will has decided to stand behind his decision to cut-and-paste his way through his last column on global warming, which was debunked with alarming alacrity by many, many people who sort of noticed Will was misrepresenting the conclusions of other people's work.

Roth sees two elements of defense at work in Will's forthcoming piece. The first, a bit of pot-kettle-black hackery that seems placed to help obscure the issue:

Will's new effort is framed as a response to a New York Times story, by science reporter Andrew Revkin, from earlier this week, which asserted that Will's earlier column, published February 15, was guilty of "inaccuracies and overstatements," in the view of experts. (That Revkin story itself provoked some blogospheric ire by equating Will's out-and-out distortions with some minor exaggerations on the other side by Al Gore -- but that's a whole other story.)

The second, a more full-throated defense of whatever he calls the "research methodology" he employed in his February 15th column, which we remind you, will not get you far in most accredited middle schools.

Second, Will stands by the substance of the February 15 column, maintaining, in the case of the key factual dispute, that he had accurately reported the findings of a respected climate research center on the question of sea-ice levels. Though the center has since put out a statement disavowing Will's use of its data, Will claims that last month it posted confirmation of that very data on its web site -- and, getting all bloggy, includes a link.

Hilariously noting that he didn't have to expend much of an effort, Roth finds immediate fault, catching Will - again! - misstating the conclusions of others:

We'll leave it to others to parse the finer points of this defense -- though it's immediately noticeable that Will doesn't mention that the center's confirmation of its findings notes that the data concerns global sea ice levels, rather than northern hemispheric levels. Global levels, it says, "may not be the most relevant indicator."

Obviously, Fred Hiatt is leaving the door open for any or all amount of unsupported silliness on his op-ed pages, which I suppose now may be considered some sort of "creative writing" outpost.

UPDATED: Via Media Matters/Columbia Journalism Review, the Washington Post's Fred Hiatt offered a defense of his own, clearly hoping that the word "inferences" will manage to do some heavy lifting: ...
UPDATED: Via Media Matters/Columbia Journalism Review, the Washington Post's Fred Hiatt offered a defense of his own, clearly hoping that the word "inferences" will manage to do some heavy lifting: ...
 
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- Mij13 I'm a Fan of Mij13 62 fans permalink
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The WP and Will have been increasingly irrelevant. How appropriate they'd both get on the wrong side of global warming just now. May they rest in peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 03/01/2009
- Zen0469 I'm a Fan of Zen0469 71 fans permalink
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Has George Will taken to writing fiction and passing it off as science in his dotage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 02/28/2009
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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Actually, no. He's been doing that from the beginning. He constantly takes it in hand to explain to the semi-literate his rarified understanding of economics, for which he has no discernible background whatsoever. While economics may not be hard science, it normally has a factual content which is a very great deal higher than in Will's primitive rendition of it.

But what the hell--- proof is really beside the point. George Will is allowed to say and write whatever he wants to, and there is a sizeable coterie of people ready to applaud him no matter how tendentious his logic nor how arcane his prose style. It's not so much Mr Will's writing that is creative; that could be replicated by anyone pedantic enough to make a crutch out of a thesaurus. It's his approach to the truth that is his real creativity, so much so as to routinely obscure the realities completely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 02/28/2009
- rbenjamin I'm a Fan of rbenjamin 20 fans permalink
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I'm surprised Will can still mount anything. I know this is gonna get axed, but ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 02/28/2009
- SFTor I'm a Fan of SFTor 11 fans permalink

The article above paints the Washington Post op-ed page as a " a forum in which participants are allowed to mislead people without consequence. How would you like to hold a debate in that forum?" To which they [the scientists] no doubt replied: "Sounds like a waste of time to pursue what is obviously a fool's errand."

Perhaps we Democrats should be a little cautious about discrediting the Washington Post? Last time I checked this newspaper has demonstrated a strong ability towards quality journalism.

The whole argument is specious, and unworthy of the debate we need around AGW and a whole sandwich list of other national and global issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 02/28/2009
- mjc I'm a Fan of mjc 9 fans permalink

George Will has been given the throne of defender of conservatism, for no real reason except he himself claims that is what he does. And he has a permanent seat on programs such as THIS WEEK for perhaps the same damn reason. The man does not always tell the truth and his opinions are not usually more than a sort of huffing and puffing about issues. You can't really be sure that he evens has any passion for any of the issues from his words and speech. BUT the hype and splash about global warming in the past few years, especially when we had a president who knew next to nothing about it, may have gotten out of hand; nevertheless, it is very real and if there is any way that man can do something about it with auto emissions or any other feasible practice, we should be doing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 02/28/2009

I recall reading a similarly infuriating column by George Will in 1979 regarding the safety of nuclear power, just before the Three Mile Island disaster. It is documented here:

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920606&slug=1495781

In a 1979 Newsweek column, George Will denounced the movie "The China Syndrome" - which dramatized a nuclear reactor accident - as hysterical Hollywood propaganda. "Nuclear plants," Will scoffed, "like color-TV sets, give off minute amounts of radiation, but there is more cancer risk in sitting next to a smoker than next to a nuclear plant." Will's column was still on newsstands when the real-life Three Mile Island nuclear nightmare began.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 02/28/2009
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Thank you for remembering this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/01/2009

Nuclear nightmare? Maybe I'm wrong, but no one died in Three Mile Island. Oh wait, I'm not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 03/02/2009

The question that needs to be asked is who in the management of the Post is responsible for this right wing ideologue, Hyatt, being put in charge of the Post's editorial pages, including opinion columns? He is clearly out of touch with the mainstream of the Post/s readership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 02/28/2009
- SFTor I'm a Fan of SFTor 11 fans permalink

George Will appears to be correct in stating that total global ice volume in 2008 is about equal to 1979.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/global.sea.ice.area.pdf

Does anyone disagree?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 02/28/2009
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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When you can figure out the difference between volume and area, get back to us, OK?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 02/28/2009
- SFTor I'm a Fan of SFTor 11 fans permalink

let me define that a little better: global sea ice volume.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 02/28/2009
- SFTor I'm a Fan of SFTor 11 fans permalink

Also, let's not forget that some say that this is possible but the point is that there has been a massive decrease in Arctic Sea Ice.

For the statement to be true that there was more Arctic ice in 1979, there must have been less Antarctic sea ice. Is this borne out by the facts?

And lastly, why is it that anyone who thinks differently from you, or even carries out his editorial duties in ways you don't like is some sort of right-wing bogeyman? Have you ever wondered about that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 02/28/2009
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The "mainstream" of the Post's readership regularly gets subjected to the cuddly side of global warming, such as the WaPo's Magazine cover, 2/15/09:

“Can one small household help save the planet from Global Warming?”

What a touchy-feely, airhead question. The correct answer is: Of course not, so wise up.

Saving the planet might possibly involve destroying an incoming asteroid before it gets here, coping with earthquakes or containing a terrible spreading disease.

Global warming or cooling is clearly beyond our pay grade. To wit: We can’t influence how many or few spots the sun will get anytime soon, so we’re at its mercy as far as climate is concerned, and always have been. Ignore that fact and you are at the mercy of every nutty idea that comes along, like changing light bulbs.

Do humor the concerned housewife who wants to feel important by doing SOMETHING trendy and helpful. And if she feels good about using less TP, then by all means applaud the effort.

But don’t bother her pretty little head with facts. For over in Africa, India and North Korea, you know there are several families, for every one of those like hers, that are cooking every meal with wood or dung fires and overwhelming her best CO2-cutting efforts.

We should count our blessings and if possible do what we can to improve the lots of the unfortunates in this world. But cooling it? Don’t be ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 03/01/2009
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It is not just the Post's readers that they misjudge; Hiatt and Will are badly out of touch with the United States.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1176967,00.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 03/06/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 248 fans permalink

Because AGW threaten Fossil fuels, the GOP and the Fossil fuel companies have spent decades creating hack stink tanks, to deliberately throw up a barrage of confusion. Whenever the GOP can, they have suppressed data that threatens their Fossil friends. The Fossil burners have used every trick in the book.

Meanwhile, the scientist working on AGW have become frustrated and often condescending toward arguments spawned of the above Fossil GOP group.

I don not see a resolution to this issues any time soon.

So I suggest a compromise.

We have to get off Fossil fuels anyway for a million good an obvious reason: energy wars, terrorist funding, pollution, mountain top destruction, sludge floods, and long term cost.

Wind and solar are cheaper in the long term, eliminate energy wars, and drastically reduce pollution.

The GOP Fossils are still going to fight it, but the arguments are much simpler than AGW.

Bring the troops back from the Energy wars, put them to work installing rooftop solar, efficiency upgrades, wind, and ecars.

We spend about 1 T$/year importing oil.

2-5 trillion in wind and solar over 5-10 years, would eliminate coal, nukes, and most imported oil.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/research

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 02/28/2009
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That "long term" is not so long, either.

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Wind and solar are cheaper in the long term, eliminate energy wars, and drastically reduce pollution.
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For *currently available* solar panels, the payoff time is 3 - 4 years, and that's before one factors in tax credits or any other stimulus!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 03/06/2009
- NCRDIBULL I'm a Fan of NCRDIBULL 7 fans permalink

This still illustrates , that there is none of credibility or AlGore or liberal bloggers that will ever sit with those of science and debate or discuss the many and vast fallacies of man made global warming.... Thanks in no small part to those who wantonly demonize any , George Will's column will be seen by many millions more this week than usual , and be taken seriously

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 02/28/2009
- gwix I'm a Fan of gwix permalink

Wow, another post that is completely incoherent...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 02/28/2009

Will does exactly the same as your type. I am a nuclear engineer and recognize the smallest of details in the data. But there are many of us educated and doubtful of the data you post. Man made change is only one possibiity an even greater possibility is mother nature. For me mother nature is easier because man has not been a presence on this earth to equate to the changes or the severity of changes noted prior to mans arrival.

Money is the issue and boring never sells. If we proved beyond a doubt that sun ouput was the greatest motivator for climate change your type would ignore it. It is not glitzy enough and money cannot be made without glitz.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 02/28/2009

"If we proved beyond a doubt"

But you can't, so you make things up and misrepresent the data instead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 02/28/2009
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This sentence is literally so head-spinningly garbled it's meaningless: "For me mother nature is easier because man has not been a presence on this earth to equate to the changes or severity of changes noted prior to mans arrival." You owe an apology to the English language.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 02/28/2009
- Rmtns I'm a Fan of Rmtns 8 fans permalink
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Your statement that you are a nuclear engineer has shows that you have decided that technology is the answer, and no matter the facts, technology will out.
Your chosen field, is possibly after coal technology, the largest source of danger to the human race in the near future.
Your arrogance is surpassed only by your ignorance of climate change. Please stick to what you know, not the Republican't Party line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 02/28/2009
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quote:
I am a nuclear engineer ...
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You're a technician, same as Homer Simpson you self-aggrandizing knob-twiddler.

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and recognize the smallest of details in the data.
/quote
Name one.

quote:
Man made change is only one possibiity (sic) an even greater possibility is mother nature. For me mother nature is easier because man has not been a presence on this earth to equate to the changes or the severity of changes noted prior to mans arrival.
/quote
Science demands quantified evidence, not mere qualitative assertions. Your opinions and "folk wisdom" do not count.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 03/06/2009
- NewYorkJ I'm a Fan of NewYorkJ 5 fans permalink

Global warming denial has a fairly large media market, especially with the recent political shift. Washington Post, like every newspaper, is losing money. They've figured out that they can get much more attention and advertising revenues to have garbage published than "boring" science. It compromises their journalistic integrity to allow things that are easily debunked by a knowledgeable or critical thinking editor to be published, but it probably boosts revenues during an ailing economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 AM on 02/28/2009
- SFTor I'm a Fan of SFTor 11 fans permalink

NewYorkJ, you must be joking.

The media presentation of AGW has been far from "boring." Where should I start?

"The Polar Bears Are Going Extinct!" "Sea Levels Will Rise And Cause Massive Dislocation!" "Ever Stronger Storms Will Sweep The Planet!" "Droughts Will Make California Uninhabitable!" "AGW Will Drive Thousands Of Species To Extinction!"

Need I go on?

It is not the "deniers" who drive newspaper sales, but AGW alarmists. Respectfully.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 02/28/2009
- NewYorkJ I'm a Fan of NewYorkJ 5 fans permalink

The attention WaPost has received clearly refutes your last claim. If they posted an article that cited real scientists and told the truth, it wouldn't get much attention. Posting contrarian content makes headlines and brings fame to those who perpetuate the garbage.

All you have to do is search for "global warming" and you'll find thousands of articles from journalistic hacks, industry-funded "think tanks", and bloggers denying the science of global warming. All of this despite...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

It's no wonder there's such a large divergence between the scientific community and the general public.

http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 02/28/2009
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So many "quote" marks, not a single link! Can you provide one REAL example of "AGW alarmists"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 03/06/2009

You mean a widely debunked op/ed column, not editorial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 02/28/2009
- Phxflyer I'm a Fan of Phxflyer 72 fans permalink
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George Will has never allowed the facts to get in the way of a good temper tantrum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 02/27/2009
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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True. In fact, the facts are frequently the cause of his temper tantrums.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 02/28/2009
- Fraugher I'm a Fan of Fraugher 2 fans permalink


A stunt to gain media relevance, nothing more... the man knows what he is doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 02/27/2009
- lvogt I'm a Fan of lvogt 25 fans permalink

Boy, WashPo really got their argument mixed up. The point isn't that Will reached a different conclusion, it's that he spouted information that was known to be false, that he was informed was erroneous and he mis-represented peoples ideas and conclusions. Very poor journalism and very bad science.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 02/27/2009
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