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George Will, Washington Post Mount Defense Of Widely Debunked Editorial [UPDATED]

First Posted: 03/29/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:05 PM ET

Will Shakes Spear Raaahhh

UPDATED:

Via Media Matters/Columbia Journalism Review, the Washington Post's Fred Hiatt offered a defense of his own, clearly hoping that the word "inferences" will manage to do some heavy lifting:

"We looked into these allegations, and I have a different interpretation than [those who signed the letter] about what George Will is and is not entitled to," said the paper's editorial page editor, Fred Hiatt. "If you want to start telling me that columnists can't make inferences which you disagree with--and, you know, they want to run a campaign online to pressure newspapers into suppressing minority views on this subject--I think that's really inappropriate. It may well be that he is drawing inferences from data that most scientists reject -- so, you know, fine, I welcome anyone to make that point. But don't make it by suggesting that George Will shouldn't be allowed to make the contrary point. Debate him."


Hiatt said that he has invited both the World Meteorological Organization and the Arctic Ice Center at the University of Illinois to write a letter for publication taking issue with anything that George wrote, but neither organization has taken him up on the offer. Hiatt added that he doesn't think Will has an obligation to point out, "in every column he writes about climate change," that such organizations disagree with his interpretation of their data.

I'm not at all sure Hiatt understands the issue. Clearly, if Will, "in every column he writes about climate change" takes the "data" of different "organizations" and tells his readers that the "data" indicates a "conclusion," and that "conclusion" turns out to be wrong - then Will has not "made an inference." Rather, he has led his readers to "make an inference." An incorrect one, at that. Worse, if Will ascribes these incorrect conclusions to different organizations, then the reader might "infer," again, incorrectly, that these "organizations" endorse these conclusions. This is a very pure and simple instance of Will misleading his readers. Either Hiatt doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking about, or he's saying that literally misleading his readers is fair game for his op-ed page.

That the "World Meteorological Organization and the Arctic Ice Center" have not agreed to "debate" Will is entirely beside the point. I can just imagine it: "Hello, World Meteorological Organization and the Arctic Ice Center! My name is Fred Hiatt! I run a forum in which participants are allowed to mislead people without consequence. How would you like to hold a debate in that forum?" To which they no doubt replied: "Sounds like a waste of time to pursue what is obviously a fool's errand."

Now, did the conversation literally go down like that? I'm going to say yes, it did, because if I go by the Washington Post's own standards, why not? After all, if Fred Hiatt wants to start telling me that I can't make inferences which he disagrees with, I think that's really inappropriate!

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Zachary Roth, over at TPMMuckraker has gotten a look-see at the next column coming from George Will and notes that Will has decided to stand behind his decision to cut-and-paste his way through his last column on global warming, which was debunked with alarming alacrity by many, many people who sort of noticed Will was misrepresenting the conclusions of other people's work.

Roth sees two elements of defense at work in Will's forthcoming piece. The first, a bit of pot-kettle-black hackery that seems placed to help obscure the issue:

Will's new effort is framed as a response to a New York Times story, by science reporter Andrew Revkin, from earlier this week, which asserted that Will's earlier column, published February 15, was guilty of "inaccuracies and overstatements," in the view of experts. (That Revkin story itself provoked some blogospheric ire by equating Will's out-and-out distortions with some minor exaggerations on the other side by Al Gore -- but that's a whole other story.)

The second, a more full-throated defense of whatever he calls the "research methodology" he employed in his February 15th column, which we remind you, will not get you far in most accredited middle schools.

Second, Will stands by the substance of the February 15 column, maintaining, in the case of the key factual dispute, that he had accurately reported the findings of a respected climate research center on the question of sea-ice levels. Though the center has since put out a statement disavowing Will's use of its data, Will claims that last month it posted confirmation of that very data on its web site -- and, getting all bloggy, includes a link.

Hilariously noting that he didn't have to expend much of an effort, Roth finds immediate fault, catching Will - again! - misstating the conclusions of others:

We'll leave it to others to parse the finer points of this defense -- though it's immediately noticeable that Will doesn't mention that the center's confirmation of its findings notes that the data concerns global sea ice levels, rather than northern hemispheric levels. Global levels, it says, "may not be the most relevant indicator."

Obviously, Fred Hiatt is leaving the door open for any or all amount of unsupported silliness on his op-ed pages, which I suppose now may be considered some sort of "creative writing" outpost.

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UPDATED: Via Media Matters/Columbia Journalism Review, the Washington Post's Fred Hiatt offered a defense of his own, clearly hoping that the word "inferences" will manage to do some heavy lifting: ...
UPDATED: Via Media Matters/Columbia Journalism Review, the Washington Post's Fred Hiatt offered a defense of his own, clearly hoping that the word "inferences" will manage to do some heavy lifting: ...
 
 
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Mij13
They only call it class war when we fight back.
11:21 AM on 03/01/2009
The WP and Will have been increasingly irrelevant. How appropriate they'd both get on the wrong side of global warming just now. May they rest in peace.
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Zen0469
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08:57 PM on 02/28/2009
Has George Will taken to writing fiction and passing it off as science in his dotage?
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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
09:25 PM on 02/28/2009
Actually, no. He's been doing that from the beginning. He constantly takes it in hand to explain to the semi-literate his rarified understanding of economics, for which he has no discernible background whatsoever. While economics may not be hard science, it normally has a factual content which is a very great deal higher than in Will's primitive rendition of it.

But what the hell--- proof is really beside the point. George Will is allowed to say and write whatever he wants to, and there is a sizeable coterie of people ready to applaud him no matter how tendentious his logic nor how arcane his prose style. It's not so much Mr Will's writing that is creative; that could be replicated by anyone pedantic enough to make a crutch out of a thesaurus. It's his approach to the truth that is his real creativity, so much so as to routinely obscure the realities completely.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
05:30 PM on 02/28/2009
I'm surprised Will can still mount anything. I know this is gonna get axed, but ....
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SFTor
03:59 PM on 02/28/2009
The article above paints the Washington Post op-ed page as a " a forum in which participants are allowed to mislead people without consequence. How would you like to hold a debate in that forum?" To which they [the scientists] no doubt replied: "Sounds like a waste of time to pursue what is obviously a fool's errand."

Perhaps we Democrats should be a little cautious about discrediting the Washington Post? Last time I checked this newspaper has demonstrated a strong ability towards quality journalism.

The whole argument is specious, and unworthy of the debate we need around AGW and a whole sandwich list of other national and global issues.
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mjc
Avoid printing any..
02:43 PM on 02/28/2009
George Will has been given the throne of defender of conservatism, for no real reason except he himself claims that is what he does. And he has a permanent seat on programs such as THIS WEEK for perhaps the same damn reason. The man does not always tell the truth and his opinions are not usually more than a sort of huffing and puffing about issues. You can't really be sure that he evens has any passion for any of the issues from his words and speech. BUT the hype and splash about global warming in the past few years, especially when we had a president who knew next to nothing about it, may have gotten out of hand; nevertheless, it is very real and if there is any way that man can do something about it with auto emissions or any other feasible practice, we should be doing it.
01:48 PM on 02/28/2009
I recall reading a similarly infuriating column by George Will in 1979 regarding the safety of nuclear power, just before the Three Mile Island disaster. It is documented here:

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920606&slug=1495781

In a 1979 Newsweek column, George Will denounced the movie "The China Syndrome" - which dramatized a nuclear reactor accident - as hysterical Hollywood propaganda. "Nuclear plants," Will scoffed, "like color-TV sets, give off minute amounts of radiation, but there is more cancer risk in sitting next to a smoker than next to a nuclear plant." Will's column was still on newsstands when the real-life Three Mile Island nuclear nightmare began.
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10:34 AM on 03/01/2009
Thank you for remembering this.
01:07 AM on 03/02/2009
Nuclear nightmare? Maybe I'm wrong, but no one died in Three Mile Island. Oh wait, I'm not.
01:25 PM on 02/28/2009
The question that needs to be asked is who in the management of the Post is responsible for this right wing ideologue, Hyatt, being put in charge of the Post's editorial pages, including opinion columns? He is clearly out of touch with the mainstream of the Post/s readership.
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SFTor
03:29 PM on 02/28/2009
George Will appears to be correct in stating that total global ice volume in 2008 is about equal to 1979.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/global.sea.ice.area.pdf

Does anyone disagree?
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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
09:26 PM on 02/28/2009
When you can figure out the difference between volume and area, get back to us, OK?
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SFTor
03:32 PM on 02/28/2009
let me define that a little better: global sea ice volume.
01:10 PM on 02/28/2009
Because AGW threaten Fossil fuels, the GOP and the Fossil fuel companies have spent decades creating hack stink tanks, to deliberately throw up a barrage of confusion. Whenever the GOP can, they have suppressed data that threatens their Fossil friends. The Fossil burners have used every trick in the book.

Meanwhile, the scientist working on AGW have become frustrated and often condescending toward arguments spawned of the above Fossil GOP group.

I don not see a resolution to this issues any time soon.

So I suggest a compromise.

We have to get off Fossil fuels anyway for a million good an obvious reason: energy wars, terrorist funding, pollution, mountain top destruction, sludge floods, and long term cost.

Wind and solar are cheaper in the long term, eliminate energy wars, and drastically reduce pollution.

The GOP Fossils are still going to fight it, but the arguments are much simpler than AGW.

Bring the troops back from the Energy wars, put them to work installing rooftop solar, efficiency upgrades, wind, and ecars.

We spend about 1 T$/year importing oil.

2-5 trillion in wind and solar over 5-10 years, would eliminate coal, nukes, and most imported oil.

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01:54 PM on 03/06/2009
That "long term" is not so long, either.

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Wind and solar are cheaper in the long term, eliminate energy wars, and drastically reduce pollution.
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For *currently available* solar panels, the payoff time is 3 - 4 years, and that's before one factors in tax credits or any other stimulus!
11:57 AM on 02/28/2009
This still illustrates , that there is none of credibility or AlGore or liberal bloggers that will ever sit with those of science and debate or discuss the many and vast fallacies of man made global warming.... Thanks in no small part to those who wantonly demonize any , George Will's column will be seen by many millions more this week than usual , and be taken seriously
gwix
The point of a micro-bio is?
02:05 PM on 02/28/2009
Wow, another post that is completely incoherent...
11:35 AM on 02/28/2009
Will does exactly the same as your type. I am a nuclear engineer and recognize the smallest of details in the data. But there are many of us educated and doubtful of the data you post. Man made change is only one possibiity an even greater possibility is mother nature. For me mother nature is easier because man has not been a presence on this earth to equate to the changes or the severity of changes noted prior to mans arrival.

Money is the issue and boring never sells. If we proved beyond a doubt that sun ouput was the greatest motivator for climate change your type would ignore it. It is not glitzy enough and money cannot be made without glitz.
01:27 PM on 02/28/2009
"If we proved beyond a doubt"

But you can't, so you make things up and misrepresent the data instead.
01:47 PM on 02/28/2009
This sentence is literally so head-spinningly garbled it's meaningless: "For me mother nature is easier because man has not been a presence on this earth to equate to the changes or severity of changes noted prior to mans arrival." You owe an apology to the English language.
04:54 AM on 02/28/2009
Global warming denial has a fairly large media market, especially with the recent political shift. Washington Post, like every newspaper, is losing money. They've figured out that they can get much more attention and advertising revenues to have garbage published than "boring" science. It compromises their journalistic integrity to allow things that are easily debunked by a knowledgeable or critical thinking editor to be published, but it probably boosts revenues during an ailing economy.
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SFTor
03:52 PM on 02/28/2009
NewYorkJ, you must be joking.

The media presentation of AGW has been far from "boring." Where should I start?

"The Polar Bears Are Going Extinct!" "Sea Levels Will Rise And Cause Massive Dislocation!" "Ever Stronger Storms Will Sweep The Planet!" "Droughts Will Make California Uninhabitable!" "AGW Will Drive Thousands Of Species To Extinction!"

Need I go on?

It is not the "deniers" who drive newspaper sales, but AGW alarmists. Respectfully.
07:28 PM on 02/28/2009
The attention WaPost has received clearly refutes your last claim. If they posted an article that cited real scientists and told the truth, it wouldn't get much attention. Posting contrarian content makes headlines and brings fame to those who perpetuate the garbage.

All you have to do is search for "global warming" and you'll find thousands of articles from journalistic hacks, industry-funded "think tanks", and bloggers denying the science of global warming. All of this despite...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

It's no wonder there's such a large divergence between the scientific community and the general public.

http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf
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02:08 PM on 03/06/2009
So many "quote" marks, not a single link! Can you provide one REAL example of "AGW alarmists"?
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StephenDedalus82
12:03 AM on 02/28/2009
You mean a widely debunked op/ed column, not editorial.
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Phxflyer
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11:28 PM on 02/27/2009
George Will has never allowed the facts to get in the way of a good temper tantrum.
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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
09:30 PM on 02/28/2009
True. In fact, the facts are frequently the cause of his temper tantrums.
11:15 PM on 02/27/2009
A stunt to gain media relevance, nothing more... the man knows what he is doing.
09:27 PM on 02/27/2009
Boy, WashPo really got their argument mixed up. The point isn't that Will reached a different conclusion, it's that he spouted information that was known to be false, that he was informed was erroneous and he mis-represented peoples ideas and conclusions. Very poor journalism and very bad science.