Obama Wants Higher Capital Gains Tax Rate: Too Far Or Not Enough?

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February 26, 2009 02:13 PM

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In his efforts to find revenue streams to fund domestic priorities and close the deficit, President Barack Obama introduced, as part of his budget proposal, a variety of tax revisions and increases on Wall Street and the wealthiest of Americans.

The president wants to roll back the Bush tax cuts on the affluent, reinstating the 36 percent and 39.6 percent rates for those earning more than $250,000 (married) and $200,000 (single). He also called for a reinstatement of the "personal exemption phaseout" and limitation on the deductions applied to taxpayers earning more than the aforementioned incomes.

But on the topic of the capital gains tax, Obama seemed to try and thread the needle, introducing a mild increase over the rates of the Bush years that could anger (or please) both Wall Street and more progressive-minded economists alike.

The president's plan would raise the tax rate on capital gains and dividends to 20 percent from the 15 percent levels imposed by the Bush administration. In a climate in which few people are actually making capital gains earnings, raising the rate, economists say, shouldn't dry up market activity much, if any. On the flip side, the Obama budget team projects that it could help decrease the deficit by more than $1 billion in fiscal year 2010, $5.4 billion in 2011, $12.2 billion in 2014 and $19.9 billion in 2019.

"This increase will not just have no severe effect on the economy but have almost no effect except higher revenues," said Robert Shapiro, the deputy commerce secretary under Bill Clinton and an occasional adviser to president's economic staff. "It is basically a freebie. So why not do it?"

But expect Wall Street (and supply-side theorists) to protest. Capital gains tax rates were higher than 20 percent until lowered to that level during the Clinton years. And because the subsequent boom of the stock market is often credited to the lowering of that rate -- as well as Bush's further lowering -- it is assumed that the restoration of the 20 percent rate would lead to a big blow on the markets.

Others contend that this is a false rendering of history. The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities -- citing a study by Federal Reserve economists -- argues that, "the stock market increase was not a result of the 2003 tax cut. European stocks, which did not benefit from the U.S. capital gains tax cut, performed as well as stocks in the U.S. market in the period following the tax cut."

Moreover, it is noted, the Obama administration could have actually lost revenue had they left the rates where they currently are. The Congressional Budget estimated that extending the 15 percent capital gains tax rates over the next decade would have cost the government $100 billion.

But if raising the rates to 20 percent could, as Shapiro posits, result in an increase in revenue without noticeable market activity loss, why, some may ask, doesn't Obama go even further. For starters, Shapiro replies, once you go too high, you will see legitimate market reaction. But mainly, it would require a much more fundamental reconsideration of tax law, that isn't suited to come via a budget.

"When you begin to bring the capital gains rate near the top marginal rates then you are in a different system and a different set of questions arises," he said. "If we are going to treat capital gains as ordinary income then we need to think about larger reforms. Like ending the tax distinction between earned income and non-earned income...but that is not a budgetary consideration."

In his budget, Obama did take another action on capital gains tax by phasing out the elimination of such taxes for startup and small businesses. But, as pointed out by Ben Smith, the president had promised to do this upon taking office, but the cut was deferred in his budget to 2014.

In his efforts to find revenue streams to fund domestic priorities and close the deficit, President Barack Obama introduced, as part of his budget proposal, a variety of tax revisions and increases on...
In his efforts to find revenue streams to fund domestic priorities and close the deficit, President Barack Obama introduced, as part of his budget proposal, a variety of tax revisions and increases on...
 
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Regardless of what happens to capital gains rates, there are other avenues to alleviate tax burdens through strategic planning (i.e. a 1031 exchange). With a 1031 exchange, regardless if the capital gains rates are 15, 20 or 25 percent, through a 1031 exchange, you have the ability to defer all the capital gains tax you may have on property you intend to relinquish and roll that forward into a new, bigger, better property. Matter of fact, there are ways to defer your taxes indefinitely as there are no limits on how many 1031 exchanges you can do (there are guidelines, however). If you would like some information on this please lookup my website at http://www.1031podcast.com. Let 1031 go to work for you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 03/10/2009

They have bankrupted social security, the DMV is a joke, the post office is terrible, public school has been the worst thing the government has ever done, and people just expect them to fix the problem that is going on right now? Look at yourselves in the mirror people that's the only person who should be helping you right now. Stop acting like you are entitled to something! I work hard for every dollar I earn and I am not going to sit back and let this administration take it away from me and give it to someone who thinks that they deserve my money when they didn't work for it. Ladies and Gentlement the time is coming, and I will be ready for the fight. Stay Strong Real Freedom Lives On!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 03/08/2009

What a joke. I cant believe so many people are falling for this guy. Lets look at a couple of things, first of all he is going to let the Bush cuts expire, TAX INCREASE, he is going to socialize medicine, TAX INCREASE, he is going to tax tobacco, music downloads, people who make over 75,000 a year, gasoline, all TAX INCREASES. People open up your eyes, we have to look out for ourselves. The government is not there to provide these things. The government does not owe you a house, the government does not owe you a car, the government does not owe you anything. Get your bums off the couch and stop blaming the rest of the world for the cost of living. It is amazing how for so long people it here in American and this generation feels entitled to this endowment of everything on a silver platter. I have worked since I was 12 years old so I could buy my first computer, then car, and you want to complain that someone else owes you something. Where did this entitlement come from? I know I was raised better than that, I guess so many of you were not. I agree that all politicians are corrupt, both democratic and republican, and so many people think that why are we still putting faith in them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 03/08/2009
- deanfv I'm a Fan of deanfv 13 fans permalink

Budget = FAIL.

Who's going to buy all those treasury bonds to fund the 'budget'?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 03/08/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 267 fans permalink

Obama is right to do only mild increase in capital gains.

I worked for 10 years, many years without any pay,

till one year I could finally sell my stock.

averaged over 10 years it's not much per year.

Please BRING BACK INCOME AVERAGING!

I had a house I kept for over 10 years.

At the end of the time, I sold it for an increase that was less than the inflation rate over 10 years.

But I still paid tax on inflation.

Please: Allow applying In tests over the years held, on Capitol gains calculation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 02/27/2009
- MetryJen I'm a Fan of MetryJen 3 fans permalink

It's a step in the right direction. I will never, ever understand why I pay a higher percentage of taxes on the money I work for than does a hedge fund director that just shifts money around all day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 02/27/2009

Most capital gains are not made by hedge fund directors. You have been conned by the liberal, left-leaning media. I suggest you do some homework of your own for a change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 03/07/2009
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I staunchly supported President Obama during the campaign. But, the money I use to invest comes after a payroll tax of 30%. Now, he wants more. He has his hand on one pocket and filling it with $400. In the other, he is taking 20%. That's stealing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 02/26/2009

You should have paid closer attention to Mr. Obama's tax the "rich" proposals during the campaign. Like too many Americans you were lulled into a sense of comfort by Mr. Obama's slick rhetoric. It is clear that the so-called economic "stimulus" package has to be paid someday by someone. It is the upper middle class that currently pays three quarters of all taxes - it is they who will pay for the stimulus bill's cost!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 03/07/2009

"This increase will not just have no severe effect on the economy but have almost no effect except higher revenues,"-It is a 5% increase back to the 20% of the 90's. Cry me a river...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 02/26/2009
- petekwando I'm a Fan of petekwando 14 fans permalink
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I am really looking forward to the video of Larry Kudlow's head exploding when he hears this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 02/26/2009
- KDH I'm a Fan of KDH 20 fans permalink
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And a sure to happen, Santelli rant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 AM on 02/27/2009
- myrddin I'm a Fan of myrddin 3 fans permalink

Capital Gains should be taxed as regular income. It's a travesty that someone sitting on their backsides while their money works for them should pay a lower rate then someone who toils for his living. The republican arguement that 70 percent of people own stocks is also ridiculous because most of us own stocks in an IRA or 401K which won't be taxed until the money is withdrawn. Oh yeah, it'll be taxed as normal income at that time too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 02/26/2009

Though I agree that it should certainly be taxes higher, capital gains isn't the same thing as work and shouldn't be treated as such. When I work there's a 100% guarantee that I will be compensated for my labor; the stock market is nothing like that, it's a gamble I take, and if I lose some sum of money, there's no one there to pat me on the back and give me my money back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 02/26/2009
- trumpetman I'm a Fan of trumpetman 5 fans permalink

I disagree because you can't have rates at that level because it won't be good for our economy. You can't compare the size of our economy to the 50's or 60's so the tax rates back then are not neccessary now. We also can't engage in class welfare. A Lot of rich people do good things as well as middle class and poor people. And I am part of the middle class. What we need is a balance and I support the Presidents plan to let the Bush tax cuts expire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 02/26/2009

It is a good start, but capital gains should be taxed at a much higher rate. The income tax should be progressive, also. Bring back the progressive 70% - 90% tax rates on the top earners to enable the middle class again and stop our rush to an aristocracy governed by legacy presidents like Shrub.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 02/26/2009
- petekwando I'm a Fan of petekwando 14 fans permalink
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Absolutely not, that's too high. The draconian rates you're talking about are exactly the sort of thing that soured many on the Democratic party in the 1980 election. I turned on the GOP years ago, because they pushed their philosophy of lowering taxes to ridiculous lengths. But this is just as bad in the other direction. Yes, we should ask the wealthy to pay their fair share; but tax them at 90% and the public will run right back to the Republican fold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 02/26/2009
- serena1313 I'm a Fan of serena1313 45 fans permalink

petekwando I agree .....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 02/26/2009
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To You and Decorina,

The 5% of wealthy people (250K/200K) that every one decries account for 60% of the tax revenues collected. Let me say it again, The remaining 40% of tax revenues. are contributed by the 95% of the the households earning less than 250K/200K.

That 5% pay 60% of the tax bill sounds like a fair share.

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 02/27/2009

Suggest that you move to some socialist country, which distributes the wealth and discourages enterprise and investment. You obviously do not aspire to much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 03/08/2009

pushing it up a the capital gains rate is fine. he might want to throw a bone out also. currently, we're not going to see much capital gains anyway. but, i salute the president for moving boldly forward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 02/26/2009

Anyone know the actual percentage of American living below $250,000 (married) and $200,000 (single)?

I think its a lot, plus has this ever been done? No. Which is why its probably a good idea because we're facing a economic crisis never phased before.

We'll see months and months of whining because this is the part of change everyone has an opinion on a will be kicking and screaming before this country really pulled together as it did getting out of the Great Depression -- definition of 'pulling together' to be determined­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 02/26/2009
- Diogenes08 I'm a Fan of Diogenes08 28 fans permalink
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Oh, I forgot to answer your question in my rush to finally make a first comment.

Not enough. Tax capital gains at income rate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 02/26/2009

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend!

Your comment is very immature and shows no knowledge whatsoever of how capital fuels our economy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 03/08/2009
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