Ryanair Could Make Passengers Pay For Toilets

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SHAWN POGATCHNIK | February 27, 2009 04:43 PM EST | AP

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In this Dec. 1, 2008 file photo a Ryanair jet takes off from Belfast City Airport. Is a bathroom an optional extra when you're at 30,000 feet? Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary seems to think so _ as his no-frills airline contemplates charging customers to use its aircrafts' toilets. O'Leary whipped up a frenzy of indignation and potty humor Friday, Feb. 27, 2009, as he suggested that future Ryanair passengers might be obliged to insert a British pound coin before they gain access to in-flight relief. (AP Photo / Peter Morrison, file)

DUBLIN — When nature calls at 30,000 feet, is $1.40 a wee price to pay? Or could it force passengers without correct change into a whole new kind of holding pattern?

The head of budget European airline Ryanair unleashed a flood of indignation and potty humor Friday when he suggested that future passengers might be obliged to insert a British pound coin for access to the lavatory to get some in-flight relief.

Airline chief Michael O'Leary suggested that installing pay toilets would lower ticket costs and make flying, somehow, easier for all.

Not even his own aides seemed to be sure if he was serious or pursuing his penchant for making brazen declarations to get free publicity for Ryanair.

"One thing we have looked at in the past, and are looking at again, is the possibility of maybe putting a coin slot on the toilet door, so that people might have to actually spend a pound to `spend a penny' in future," O'Leary said, using a British euphemism for going to the bathroom.

When asked during an interview on BBC Television what would happen if a customer really had to go but didn't have correct change, O'Leary dismissed the scenario as implausible.

"I don't think there's anybody in history (who has) gone on board a Ryanair aircraft with less than a pound," he said.

He cited the British currency even though Ireland and most of Europe uses euros.

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O'Leary spokesman Stephen McNamara said his boss often spoke tongue in cheek _ but he then defended the idea of in-flight pay toilets as part of a logical trend.

"Michael makes a lot of this stuff up as he goes along and, while this has been discussed internally, there are no immediate plans to introduce it," McNamara said, adding, "Passengers using train and bus stations are already accustomed to paying to use the toilet, so why not on airplanes? Not everyone uses the toilet on board one of our flights, but those that do could help to reduce airfares for all passengers."

Analysts agreed that the man who pioneered charging passengers to check bags, to use a check-in desk and even to use a credit or debit card to make an online booking just might be serious about mile-high toilet extortion.

Howard Wheeldon, senior strategist at BGC Partners in London, said there might be some truth to O'Leary's statement.

"This begs a simple question retort of: Is there absolutely nothing that this airline won't do? Not really, so if you are thinking about flying cattle-class Ryanair in future, beware," he said.

David Castelveter, a spokesman for the Air Transport Association, which represents the major U.S. airlines, said he wasn't aware that any were considering a toilet fee.

Not surprisingly, passengers reacted with indignation and outrage at the prospect.

Vitaly Zananetskin, who was boarding a Ryanair flight to London at Riga International Airport in Latvia, called it "a bad idea."

"I would just try to go to the restroom before going on board and then try not to drink too much during the flight," he said. "A three-hour flight without a toilet is tolerable. Of course, if it gets so bad that your eyes are watering, then you can pay the money."

On the recession-hit streets of Dublin, Ryanair passengers waiting for an airport shuttle bus seemed resigned to the idea of paying for an O'Leary-provided potty.

"Your only choice with Ryanair, really, is not to fly Ryanair. Your dignity goes out the window. If you have a complaint, they're not programmed to care," said Samantha Jones, a 30-year-old Welsh woman.

She discounted the practicality of a restroom rebellion.

"If you are given a choice between wetting your knickers or not wetting your knickers, you will pay whatever fee they make you pay, and Mr. O'Leary knows this well," she said. "Frankly, I'm surprised he's talking about letting us have a wee for a pound, not more!"

Rochelle Turner, head of research at British consumer rights magazine Which? Holiday, said Ryanair had a well-documented practice of "putting profit before the comfort of its customers" _ but this one could backfire.

"Charging people to go to the toilet might result in fewer people buying overpriced drinks on board. That would serve Ryanair right," she said.

Noah Cole of Portland, Ore., who has flown on Ryanair, called it "unconscionable" to charge for a bathroom, and he even predicted money-changing problems. In other words, if you only have dollars, can you still euro-nate?

"What if you don't have the requisite currency? Do you beg your seatmate for a euro so you can go to the bathroom?" Cole said in Dallas. "That's the nightmare scenario."

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Associated Press writers Gary Peach in Riga, Latvia, and Airlines Writer David Koenig in Dallas contributed to this story.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 03/08/2009
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Just one passenger to have an "accident" in his or her seat and the policy is changed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 03/03/2009

Well there is one airline to avoid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 03/03/2009
- RJC I'm a Fan of RJC 20 fans permalink

Just wear Depends. problem solved!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 03/02/2009
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Most airline lavatories are bad enough they should pay the passenger to use them, not the other way around. This is taking charging for everything to the extreme but I would think this would cut in a big way into the profits of selling drinks onboard just because people would drink less. And for an international airline, not having the right currency would be an issue. I also think it would only be a matter of time before some pissed off [pun intended] male passenger (much harder for a woman to do) literally skipped the lavatory and opted for the floor or the back of the seat pocket in front of them.

Any major carrier contemplating charging for the toilet take notice that the minute you implement this, you lose me as a customer. This is my line in the sand. And no, here in the States major airport bathrooms do not charge you to use them and I've flown all over the US (Portland, Seattle, Ronald Reagan in DC, Chicago O'Hare, San Francisco International, Denver Int'l, Alburquerue, San Diego, Tucson, etc. -- no pay toilets that I encountered). And I haven't visited a major international airport in Europe where I had to pay to use the bathroom either (Milan, Zurich, Heathrow, Rome, Glasgow, Shannon or Dublin international airports did not charge money to use them).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 AM on 03/02/2009
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This is why we need to invest in high speed rail. We can just open the toilet to the track and let the passenger do his/her stuff as the train is moving. I think that's what Indian trains are doing. Better yet, we can open the toilet to the sky and let the crap fall to the ground. Someone has to enrich the soil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 03/02/2009

just bring $100 bills and demand change from the flight attendants

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 03/01/2009
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A couple of dumps in 21B should put a lid on this nonsensical market plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 03/01/2009

I'm sure we're not the first to think of this...but I did imagine pissing, welll, just about everywhere.

Go ahead and try to stop me after the flow is started...­. :D

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 03/01/2009
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I suggest charging ONLY when the toilet is flushed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 AM on 03/01/2009
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This next development in air travel will coincide with an uptick in sales of adult diapers. Ah the smell of impatience!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 02/28/2009
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Anyone with bladder or any medical issues...
DON'T FLY THEM...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 02/28/2009
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It seems the only choice is don't fly them. It may cost you more short term but a lesson needs learning here. The airlines need to be put out of it's misery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 02/28/2009

You say "using a British euphemism for going to the bathroom". But "going to the bathroom" is a euphemism - there's no bath in the "bathroom". It's a toilet! It's a lavatory! It's not a bathroom!

Sigh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 02/28/2009
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Doesn't surprise me. Ryanair may offer cheap tickets, but they charge you for luggage - even hand-luggage. They charge you to use a credit or debit card to buy your ticket - but there is no other way to buy their tickets. They charge a booking fee for reservations. They charge for food - even peanuts - and for drinks - even water. They are based out of an airport which is near Cambridge - a two hour drive from London. To take the train from Liverpool Street the fare is £12 per person each way (that's almost $40 round-trip). Finally, the taxes from Stansted Airport are higher that from any other London airport. Count on taxes of over £50 for a round-trip to Spain, for example.

On some of the routes they fly, they are not much cheaper than the competition. Factor in a £5 admin fee, £10 credit card fee, £8 for hand luggage (per leg), £20 for a little suitcase (per leg), £24 for transportation, £3 for peanuts (per leg), £3 for a can of Coke (per leg) and an extra £10 for airport taxes and you would be paying an extra £117 to fly Ryanair, which is more than the cost of tickets on some airlines which include all this (except for transpotation to and from the airport, of course) for free.

By the way, Ryanair does not fly to or from Paris.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 02/28/2009
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Here is the updated list of Ryanair's "extras":

Payment handling fee per one-way flight: £4.75
Airline check-in fee per one-way flight: £4.75 (this is for hand luggage)
Priority boarding fee per one-way flight £1.90 (this is so you can sit together as there are no advance seat assignments)
Checked baggage - 1st bag - per one-way flight £9.50
Second/third bags per one-way flight £19.50 per bag
(Maximum combined baggage allowance is 15k - 30 lbs - regardless of the number of bags)
Excess baggage fee per kilo (2 lbs) £14 per one-way flight
Infant charge (under 2 years old) per one-way flight £19 plus bassinette or baby carrier charge per one-way flight £9.50.

Not including additional transportation costs to/from airport, the cost of a woman travelling with an infant with two small suitcases and one carry-on from London to Madrid is £96 plus the cost of the flight plus taxes. Travelling to Madrid the third weekend of May, that's £135 + 95 = £230. On Iberia to/from London Heathrow at about the same times, it's £142.80 all-inclusive. Plus - the baggage allowance on Iberia is 23k per checked bag and with an infant you a second free carry-on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 02/28/2009
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Just checked Air France. Travelling on the same dates at the same times, the round-trip fare (including the extra taxes for flying via Paris) for one adult and one infant with two check-ons and two carry-ons is £160.50 from London Heathrow to Madrid. Still £70 cheaper than Ryanair when all the extra charges are added up. Checked baggage allowance is 25kilos for the adult bag and 10kilos for the infant's bag, plus two free cabin bags.

Plus Air France does not charge for the snack or soft drinks.

Ryanair does not have a frequent flyer program, so you get no goodies for loyalty. I stopped using Ryanair after a couple of very bad experiences. One was, the regional airport was closed and I called Ryanair to ask if our flight would be cancelled. And they said they didn't know the airport was closed, and we would have to drive more than a hundred miles to the nearest airport they operated out of and pay full fare for the ticket - that is, if there was availability. Turned out that flight had already left, so asked them what to do. Drive 300 miles to the next nearest airport after that and pay full fare, they said. Oh yeah, and pay an extra 300 euros to drop the car at a different airport. Could we get on the flight the next day? Yes, but you have to pay full fare for the tickets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 02/28/2009
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you guys have the choice: 70 Euros round trip Paris/France-Madrid /Spain on Ryanair and you pay for extras or you pay 400 euros on Air france or Iberia and you get all- inclusiv. Don't forget on Jet Blue
you have to pay for pillows and blankets!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 02/28/2009
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