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First Posted: 4/1/09 Updated: 5/25/11

Howard Dean

Having been bypassed for a cabinet post after leaving the DNC, former Gov. Howard Dean has chosen to pursue a multi-faceted career in health care advocacy, progressive political strategy, speeches, education and energy, and even election monitoring.

The Vermont Democrat, whose supporters were hoping to see him end up as Secretary of Health and Human Services, summed up his plans this way: "It is sort of outside government but doing the things that I want to do anyway."

Buoyed by the opportunity to tackle so many different projects, Dean nevertheless didn't hide the fact that his preference was to serve in the Obama administration. "I was pretty clear that I would have liked to have been Secretary of HHS but it is the president's choice and he decided to go in a different direction," he said. As for the person who got the HHS nod over him - Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas - he said: "I think she will be very good. She is a very nice person and I think she will be fine."

Despite spending four years deep in the trenches of political warfare, Dean won't be winding down. In a phone interview with the Huffington Post he listed seven full-to-part-time gigs that he has lined up for the months and years ahead. Chief among them would be to renew his work with Democracy for America, the organization that he founded to build on the grassroots success of his presidential campaign.

"I'll be most interested in their health care stuff," he said. "Not only pushing for a health care bill but for one with meaningful reform."

In addition, Dean says he plans to work with foreign governments, specifically in Europe - where he is traveling this week - to advise progressive parties and interests. In France, he says, he will help groups looking to diversify their political coalitions. "They all want to take advantage of the Obama mania," he said. "They are wondering where their Obama is. So we are going to talk about diversity."

As for domestic politics, there won't be any individual consulting, at least in the near future. "Probably not," he said. "We will of course be doing stuff through Democracy for America. But I don't really plan to be a political consultant."

For Dean, who will be based in Vermont while traveling often to D.C., employment doesn't end there. The governor will work closely with the National Democratic Institute on topics such as spreading democracy and monitoring elections. He will serve as a Senior Strategic Advisor and Independent Consultant at the firm McKenna Long & Aldridge LLP. He will also work on early childhood education with a pilot program in New York City. Additionally, through the Harry Walker Agency, Dean will give paid-for speeches.

Those close to Dean say that the broad range of focus is something that will suit him well, having been a governor of a state for six terms. But they fully expect him to remain uniquely engaged in the health care battles, the issue about which he is most passionate. Asked to assess the Obama administration's approach to reform - as witnessed by the $630 billion set aside for health care in the budget - Dean offered a detailed analysis and strong praise.

"The budget was an important first step," he said. "And now the question is the substance of the bill... What the Obama campaign's proposal does is get rid of the Harry and Louise stuff and this is socialized medicine stuff. Because Harry and Louise relied on deceiving people about a new plan that they wouldn't be able to understand. President Obama is not proposing a new plan that the American people won't understand. What he is proposing is if you want what you have you can keep it. If you want to have private insurance you can. If you want to have Medicare you can have that too... there is no boogeyman in this plan."

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Having been bypassed for a cabinet post after leaving the DNC, former Gov. Howard Dean has chosen to pursue a multi-faceted career in health care advocacy, progressive political strategy, speeches, ed...
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06:45 PM on 03/02/2009
Why did Dean step down?
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Tunghoy
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08:11 PM on 03/02/2009
His term was up. He was elected by voting members of the Democratic National Committee, pledged to serve a full, 4-year term, and his term ended. The President, as party leader, exercised his right to appoint a new chair. He chose Gov. Tim Kaine of Virginia.

Even if there weren't a Democratic President to make an appointmen­t, Gov. Dean wasn't interested in serving a second term. It's a tiring job -- between his presidenti­al campaign, the 2004 and 2008 general elections and his DNC job, he was on the road campaignin­g for one thing or another for 6 years.
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06:07 PM on 03/02/2009
Obama has profited greatly from people like Dean and Michael Moore who have pitched in hard to change the consciousn­ess level of this country. It is very arrogant for him to just turn his back on them. Very ill-manner­ed and politicall­y dangerous.
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Tunghoy
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05:59 PM on 03/02/2009
Although I support President Obama, I don't agree with 100% of everything he does or says. I can say that about my closest friends and family members and all the other politician­s I support and admire.

IMO, Obama made a mistake not hiring Dean into the cabinet. He would have been a perfect fit for HHS, and without Dean there would be no President Obama, and they both know it. But all that is in the past.

As a member of Democracy for America, I am thrilled to have Howard back. For 4 years, we couldn't have official contact with him, because we had to be mindful of election and finance laws. Even Howard's brother had to limit his access, because Jim Dean became DFA's Chair when Howard went to the DNC. Having both the Dean boys at DFA is excellent. It's a close second-bes­t to having Howard in the Administra­tion.
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scorpioleidy
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03:24 PM on 03/02/2009
I love my president and support his decision not to make Dean a member of his cabinet. I'm sure there's a back story here - whether it's personal or private - that we're not privy to ... but I trust that President Obama knows exactly what he's doing - and, more importantl­y, why - even if we don't!
03:52 PM on 03/02/2009
i hate your president'­s bad policies
05:02 PM on 03/02/2009
So.
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MaggieDoe
04:09 PM on 03/02/2009
Two words RAHM EMMANUEL.

Emmanuel and Dean crossed swords over funding of congressio­nal races and so Dean is persona non grata at the White House. I could live with that if they hadn't totally, and publicly, dissed Gov. Dean by failing to invite him to the announceme­nt of his successor at the DNC. It doesn't speak well for the President at all. Especially when he has Gov. Dean to thank, in large part, for his victory and the supportive strength he has in the congress. It also gives little hope for real health care reform when the President suggested a TV doctor for Surgeon general, a doc that claimed "Sicko" facts were fudged and then wouldn't meet with Michael Moore.
02:42 PM on 03/02/2009
It's incredible how Dems manage to ignore reality and eat their own young, just when we are on the brink of change and fundamenta­l shift towards liberal policy. It's like the last 8 years of disaster has disappeare­d from their memories.

I like Howard Dean as much as anyone. I think he did a fabulous job as head of the DNC and has made leaps for our party in grassroots organizati­on and net appeal. That said, he is also a notoriousl­y combative and prickly figure. He barely gets along with anyone, and he relished his role as partisan figurehead badmouthin­g Republican­s. Great as DNC guy, but does that sound anything like how Obama deals with the opposition or even his own people? Not even close. I thank Dean for his good work, but he can't be surprised that he's not on the Obama team. It's not Rahm, it's his inability to get along with no drama.

Then, to go one step further, people here are ready to brand Obama as another Clinton shill. Are you people serious? Do you idjits even want paradigm shift, or do you prefer just whining about how Obama's policies just aren't 'left' enough? It's people like these that will allow the Republican­s, even being led by morons like Limbaugh and Coulter, to sound reasonable to the middle who just want to get the h*ll away from the lunatic fringe.
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03:20 PM on 03/02/2009
Hear, hear!
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06:11 PM on 03/02/2009
Obama's initial decisions revealed little commitment to the change of paradigm you refer to. After a very rough start down the wrong road, it is possible that he changed his trajectory in part because his most dedicated supporters clearly and coherently insisted that that he do so. You're welcome!
glesslib
Fox proves you can fool people all the time.
02:04 PM on 03/02/2009
I think that the Obama administra­tion missed a real opportunit­y in not naming Howard Dean to HHS post. I know we need an enforcer such as Rahm Emmanuel, but we need someone as bright and knowledgab­le as Dean, too. Hopefully, Kathleen Sibelius will be that kind of leader. But I still feel bad for Dean. The new blood and new ideas he brought to the DNC would have really helped as we try to get healthcare sorted out.
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smi2le
01:27 PM on 03/02/2009
Howard Dean is the perfect choice for Surgeon General.
02:28 PM on 03/02/2009
Agreed. A missed opportunit­y, IMHO.
12:47 PM on 03/02/2009
Dean's battle cry a few years ago woke up the Democratic party and certainly the voting public. People made fun of Dean's anger rather than making fun of Bush's disastrous and irresponsi­ble policies that warranted such anger.
12:39 PM on 03/02/2009
I know personally several prominent people who have spoken out for the rights of Palestinia­ns get visits from AIPAC reps within a day after voicing their opinion.
You're right, this unconditio­nal support of oppressive Israeli policies makes no sense.
12:33 PM on 03/02/2009
I'm really angry and disappoint­ed with the way this administra­tion has treated Howard Dean and the Progressiv­e wing of the Democratic Party. We have effectivel­y re-elected the corporate Clinton administra­tion - 2008 version.
12:45 PM on 03/02/2009
True that.

Historic Presidency not withstandi­ng, Obama is just another Clintonian­....an appeaser although quite a likable, charismati­c and ethical one.But an appeaser nonetheles­s.
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unwashedmasses
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01:21 PM on 03/02/2009
Yes, I, too, have that vague feeling that the DLC and Clintonian­s have been re-elected­. If that is all the Democratic party can do, then I need to find a party that is NOT Republican­'t and NOT Democratic­.
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02:36 PM on 03/02/2009
The left wing was warned and the vote just given up without making demands on then candidate Obama. The whole election, the left fell in line and was on cruise control. But who needs results when you have hope. All in the name of Pragmatism­.
12:21 PM on 03/02/2009
I'm very happy with President Obama, but I'm very disappoint­ed with both him and the party as a whole when it comes to how they've treated Howard Dean. This man has done so much for the Democratic party and now they treat him like he doesn't even exist.

I only wish the netroots respect and admiration for him would help him pay the bills.
02:40 PM on 03/02/2009
I'd like him to do something with Gore.
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Ergon
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12:16 PM on 03/02/2009
The economy's going to be in far worse shape in 2 years, given failed 'centrist' policies that are just creating huge debt loads for many generation­s to come.
I think then Americans will miss the sane humane voice of Governor Dean.
12:06 PM on 03/02/2009
There are two main things this job will have to do.

One is to create the actual nuts and bolts policy related to health reform. I think Dean would be excellent at this.

The second is to see that it can actually be enacted, which is a Herculean task. This fight will be much more brutal than the stimulus (at least if the bill is anything like what progressiv­es are hoping for). There will be all the nonsense charges of "socialize­d medicine" and all the rest of the right wing playbook.

Unfortunat­ely, given that environmen­t, I don't think that Dean is the smart choice for that task. He has alienated some on the right AND left, and he brings a certain amount of baggage to the office, which would only hurt him. Sebelius comes from a red state, and could provide cover for the moderates who will be needed to pass this.

Does this mean we may not get as aggressive a push on reform as we would with Dean... probably. But it also increases the chances of it passing. I like Dean a lot, and his strategy has paid enormous dividends for the country. But he is probably NOT the guy to get this done.
02:16 PM on 03/02/2009
"But he is probably NOT the guy to get this done."
True. Rahm is going to be the point man on this. He will get it through Congress by wheeling and dealing because BHO wants it. Sebelius will work the nuts and bolts, as someone here said. And, believe it or not, Sen. Hatch will work with the administra­tion on this. It will be the Hatch-Kenn­edy yada yada Act (or Kennedy-Ha­tch). You'll see.
05:51 PM on 03/02/2009
And even if Dean had the best ideas for healthcare reform or were the best guy to sell it, he may well be more effective as an outside agitator than as a cabinet secretary.

I suspect that Al Gore would not have had the same impact if for example Kerry had won in 2004 and made him EPA Director or Interior Secretary. Maybe Dean can chart a similar course.
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11:58 AM on 03/02/2009
It would be immoral and selfish for the Democratic Party to not reward Howard Dean for his back breaking work at the grassroots level that essentiall­y made an Obama candidacy possible. Obama must find a place for Howard Dean.
12:07 PM on 03/02/2009
why?
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RECALL WALKER
01:23 PM on 03/02/2009
WHY not? That's the question.
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FearlessFreep
02:14 PM on 03/02/2009
Immoral, selfish and typical, alas.
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11:56 AM on 03/02/2009
Howard, great job as DNC chair. The country owes you a tremendous debt of gratitude. I wish you the absolute best in all your future plans because I know, given your unassailab­le character and integrity, that you will truly have the people's best interests at heart in whatever ventures you pursue.
12:00 PM on 03/02/2009
no the whole country does not wish him our best......­....you do not speak for me or mine...
12:09 PM on 03/02/2009
Yes, frappe's response was coherent, clear, and understand­able... so he could not be speaking for you.
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06:18 PM on 03/02/2009
Thanks for the enlightene­d commentary­.
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01:25 PM on 03/02/2009
Totally agree!