Exclusive: Dean Talks About Not Getting HHS And Post-DNC Plans

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March 1, 2009 01:10 PM

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Having been bypassed for a cabinet post after leaving the DNC, former Gov. Howard Dean has chosen to pursue a multi-faceted career in health care advocacy, progressive political strategy, speeches, education and energy, and even election monitoring.

The Vermont Democrat, whose supporters were hoping to see him end up as Secretary of Health and Human Services, summed up his plans this way: "It is sort of outside government but doing the things that I want to do anyway."

Buoyed by the opportunity to tackle so many different projects, Dean nevertheless didn't hide the fact that his preference was to serve in the Obama administration. "I was pretty clear that I would have liked to have been Secretary of HHS but it is the president's choice and he decided to go in a different direction," he said. As for the person who got the HHS nod over him - Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas - he said: "I think she will be very good. She is a very nice person and I think she will be fine."

Despite spending four years deep in the trenches of political warfare, Dean won't be winding down. In a phone interview with the Huffington Post he listed seven full-to-part-time gigs that he has lined up for the months and years ahead. Chief among them would be to renew his work with Democracy for America, the organization that he founded to build on the grassroots success of his presidential campaign.

"I'll be most interested in their health care stuff," he said. "Not only pushing for a health care bill but for one with meaningful reform."

In addition, Dean says he plans to work with foreign governments, specifically in Europe - where he is traveling this week - to advise progressive parties and interests. In France, he says, he will help groups looking to diversify their political coalitions. "They all want to take advantage of the Obama mania," he said. "They are wondering where their Obama is. So we are going to talk about diversity."

As for domestic politics, there won't be any individual consulting, at least in the near future. "Probably not," he said. "We will of course be doing stuff through Democracy for America. But I don't really plan to be a political consultant."

For Dean, who will be based in Vermont while traveling often to D.C., employment doesn't end there. The governor will work closely with the National Democratic Institute on topics such as spreading democracy and monitoring elections. He will serve as a Senior Strategic Advisor and Independent Consultant at the firm McKenna Long & Aldridge LLP. He will also work on early childhood education with a pilot program in New York City. Additionally, through the Harry Walker Agency, Dean will give paid-for speeches.

Those close to Dean say that the broad range of focus is something that will suit him well, having been a governor of a state for six terms. But they fully expect him to remain uniquely engaged in the health care battles, the issue about which he is most passionate. Asked to assess the Obama administration's approach to reform - as witnessed by the $630 billion set aside for health care in the budget - Dean offered a detailed analysis and strong praise.

"The budget was an important first step," he said. "And now the question is the substance of the bill... What the Obama campaign's proposal does is get rid of the Harry and Louise stuff and this is socialized medicine stuff. Because Harry and Louise relied on deceiving people about a new plan that they wouldn't be able to understand. President Obama is not proposing a new plan that the American people won't understand. What he is proposing is if you want what you have you can keep it. If you want to have private insurance you can. If you want to have Medicare you can have that too... there is no boogeyman in this plan."

Having been bypassed for a cabinet post after leaving the DNC, former Gov. Howard Dean has chosen to pursue a multi-faceted career in health care advocacy, progressive political strategy, speeches, ed...
Having been bypassed for a cabinet post after leaving the DNC, former Gov. Howard Dean has chosen to pursue a multi-faceted career in health care advocacy, progressive political strategy, speeches, ed...
 
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- jonnai I'm a Fan of jonnai 3 fans permalink

Why did Dean step down?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 03/02/2009
- Tunghoy I'm a Fan of Tunghoy 39 fans permalink

His term was up. He was elected by voting members of the Democratic National Committee, pledged to serve a full, 4-year term, and his term ended. The President, as party leader, exercised his right to appoint a new chair. He chose Gov. Tim Kaine of Virginia.

Even if there weren't a Democratic President to make an appointment, Gov. Dean wasn't interested in serving a second term. It's a tiring job -- between his presidential campaign, the 2004 and 2008 general elections and his DNC job, he was on the road campaigning for one thing or another for 6 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 03/02/2009
- freelyb I'm a Fan of freelyb 23 fans permalink

Obama has profited greatly from people like Dean and Michael Moore who have pitched in hard to change the consciousness level of this country. It is very arrogant for him to just turn his back on them. Very ill-mannered and politically dangerous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 03/02/2009
- Tunghoy I'm a Fan of Tunghoy 39 fans permalink

Although I support President Obama, I don't agree with 100% of everything he does or says. I can say that about my closest friends and family members and all the other politicians I support and admire.

IMO, Obama made a mistake not hiring Dean into the cabinet. He would have been a perfect fit for HHS, and without Dean there would be no President Obama, and they both know it. But all that is in the past.

As a member of Democracy for America, I am thrilled to have Howard back. For 4 years, we couldn't have official contact with him, because we had to be mindful of election and finance laws. Even Howard's brother had to limit his access, because Jim Dean became DFA's Chair when Howard went to the DNC. Having both the Dean boys at DFA is excellent. It's a close second-best to having Howard in the Administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 03/02/2009
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I love my president and support his decision not to make Dean a member of his cabinet. I'm sure there's a back story here - whether it's personal or private - that we're not privy to ... but I trust that President Obama knows exactly what he's doing - and, more importantly, why - even if we don't!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 03/02/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

i hate your president's bad policies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 03/02/2009
- bluehand I'm a Fan of bluehand 14 fans permalink

So.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 03/02/2009
- MaggieDoe I'm a Fan of MaggieDoe 3 fans permalink

Two words RAHM EMMANUEL.

Emmanuel and Dean crossed swords over funding of congressional races and so Dean is persona non grata at the White House. I could live with that if they hadn't totally, and publicly, dissed Gov. Dean by failing to invite him to the announcement of his successor at the DNC. It doesn't speak well for the President at all. Especially when he has Gov. Dean to thank, in large part, for his victory and the supportive strength he has in the congress. It also gives little hope for real health care reform when the President suggested a TV doctor for Surgeon general, a doc that claimed "Sicko" facts were fudged and then wouldn't meet with Michael Moore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 03/02/2009

You change name from Obama to Bush in this comment, and this is exactly what any wingnut was saying for the last eight years. Liberals just don't work that way. We are grownups, and don't believe any politician implicitly. While I like what Obama's done so far, there have been missteps, and not bringing Howard Dean to the administration is one of them. But I guess there is not enough space for Rahm Emmanuel and Howard Dean in the White House. Too bad, Dean did a fantastic job as DNC chief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 03/02/2009
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 12 fans permalink

It's incredible how Dems manage to ignore reality and eat their own young, just when we are on the brink of change and fundamental shift towards liberal policy. It's like the last 8 years of disaster has disappeared from their memories.

I like Howard Dean as much as anyone. I think he did a fabulous job as head of the DNC and has made leaps for our party in grassroots organization and net appeal. That said, he is also a notoriously combative and prickly figure. He barely gets along with anyone, and he relished his role as partisan figurehead badmouthing Republicans. Great as DNC guy, but does that sound anything like how Obama deals with the opposition or even his own people? Not even close. I thank Dean for his good work, but he can't be surprised that he's not on the Obama team. It's not Rahm, it's his inability to get along with no drama.

Then, to go one step further, people here are ready to brand Obama as another Clinton shill. Are you people serious? Do you idjits even want paradigm shift, or do you prefer just whining about how Obama's policies just aren't 'left' enough? It's people like these that will allow the Republicans, even being led by morons like Limbaugh and Coulter, to sound reasonable to the middle who just want to get the h*ll away from the lunatic fringe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 03/02/2009
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Hear, hear!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 03/02/2009
- freelyb I'm a Fan of freelyb 23 fans permalink

Obama's initial decisions revealed little commitment to the change of paradigm you refer to. After a very rough start down the wrong road, it is possible that he changed his trajectory in part because his most dedicated supporters clearly and coherently insisted that that he do so. You're welcome!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 03/02/2009
- glesslib I'm a Fan of glesslib 24 fans permalink

I think that the Obama administration missed a real opportunity in not naming Howard Dean to HHS post. I know we need an enforcer such as Rahm Emmanuel, but we need someone as bright and knowledgable as Dean, too. Hopefully, Kathleen Sibelius will be that kind of leader. But I still feel bad for Dean. The new blood and new ideas he brought to the DNC would have really helped as we try to get healthcare sorted out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 03/02/2009
- smi2le I'm a Fan of smi2le 2 fans permalink

Howard Dean is the perfect choice for Surgeon General.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 03/02/2009
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 491 fans permalink
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Agreed. A missed opportunity, IMHO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 03/02/2009

Dean's battle cry a few years ago woke up the Democratic party and certainly the voting public. People made fun of Dean's anger rather than making fun of Bush's disastrous and irresponsible policies that warranted such anger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 03/02/2009
- jollyelle I'm a Fan of jollyelle 17 fans permalink

I know personally several prominent people who have spoken out for the rights of Palestinians get visits from AIPAC reps within a day after voicing their opinion.
You're right, this unconditional support of oppressive Israeli policies makes no sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 03/02/2009

I'm really angry and disappointed with the way this administration has treated Howard Dean and the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party. We have effectively re-elected the corporate Clinton administration - 2008 version.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 03/02/2009

True that.

Historic Presidency not withstanding, Obama is just another Clintonian....an appeaser although quite a likable, charismatic and ethical one.But an appeaser nonetheless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 03/02/2009
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Yes, I, too, have that vague feeling that the DLC and Clintonians have been re-elected. If that is all the Democratic party can do, then I need to find a party that is NOT Republican't and NOT Democratic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 03/02/2009
- MarcInCA I'm a Fan of MarcInCA 9 fans permalink

I'm very happy with President Obama, but I'm very disappointed with both him and the party as a whole when it comes to how they've treated Howard Dean. This man has done so much for the Democratic party and now they treat him like he doesn't even exist.

I only wish the netroots respect and admiration for him would help him pay the bills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 03/02/2009

I'd like him to do something with Gore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 03/02/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 76 fans permalink
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The economy's going to be in far worse shape in 2 years, given failed 'centrist' policies that are just creating huge debt loads for many generations to come.
I think then Americans will miss the sane humane voice of Governor Dean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 03/02/2009

There are two main things this job will have to do.

One is to create the actual nuts and bolts policy related to health reform. I think Dean would be excellent at this.

The second is to see that it can actually be enacted, which is a Herculean task. This fight will be much more brutal than the stimulus (at least if the bill is anything like what progressives are hoping for). There will be all the nonsense charges of "socialized medicine" and all the rest of the right wing playbook.

Unfortunately, given that environment, I don't think that Dean is the smart choice for that task. He has alienated some on the right AND left, and he brings a certain amount of baggage to the office, which would only hurt him. Sebelius comes from a red state, and could provide cover for the moderates who will be needed to pass this.

Does this mean we may not get as aggressive a push on reform as we would with Dean... probably. But it also increases the chances of it passing. I like Dean a lot, and his strategy has paid enormous dividends for the country. But he is probably NOT the guy to get this done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 03/02/2009
- RofWH I'm a Fan of RofWH 3 fans permalink

"But he is probably NOT the guy to get this done."
True. Rahm is going to be the point man on this. He will get it through Congress by wheeling and dealing because BHO wants it. Sebelius will work the nuts and bolts, as someone here said. And, believe it or not, Sen. Hatch will work with the administration on this. It will be the Hatch-Kennedy yada yada Act (or Kennedy-Hatch). You'll see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 03/02/2009
- koppenberg I'm a Fan of koppenberg 7 fans permalink

And even if Dean had the best ideas for healthcare reform or were the best guy to sell it, he may well be more effective as an outside agitator than as a cabinet secretary.

I suspect that Al Gore would not have had the same impact if for example Kerry had won in 2004 and made him EPA Director or Interior Secretary. Maybe Dean can chart a similar course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 03/02/2009
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It would be immoral and selfish for the Democratic Party to not reward Howard Dean for his back breaking work at the grassroots level that essentially made an Obama candidacy possible. Obama must find a place for Howard Dean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 03/02/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 03/02/2009
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WHY not? That's the question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 03/02/2009
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Immoral, selfish and typical, alas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 03/02/2009
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 206 fans permalink
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Howard, great job as DNC chair. The country owes you a tremendous debt of gratitude. I wish you the absolute best in all your future plans because I know, given your unassailable character and integrity, that you will truly have the people's best interests at heart in whatever ventures you pursue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 03/02/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

no the whole country does not wish him our best..........you do not speak for me or mine...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 03/02/2009

Yes, frappe's response was coherent, clear, and understandable... so he could not be speaking for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 03/02/2009
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