Tibet Uprising 50th Anniversary: Dalai Lama Accuses China Of Making Tibet 'Hell On Earth'

AUDRA ANG | 03/10/09 02:24 PM | AP

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YA'AN, China — Swarms of police and stepped-up security checks in Tibet and other parts of western China apparently stifled any large-scale protests to mark Tuesday's 50th anniversary of a failed Tibetan revolt against Chinese rule.

In the Tibetan capital of Lhasa _ where the abortive uprising began in 1959 and violent protests recurred last year _ riot and paramilitary police patrolled the streets with automatic rifles. Residents said police were stationed throughout the city. Tibetans in other communities said police checked hotel registrations and asked Tibetans to show their identity cards.

"Even though it seems relatively quiet, we can feel that the security is very tight now," said an employee at the Shannan Yulong Holiday Hotel in Tsedang, Tibet's third-largest city. The employee, who declined to give a name for fear of government reprisal, said police checked the hotel's registration records every day.

China's authoritarian government has sought in recent weeks to head off trouble ahead of the anniversary, increasing an already heavy paramilitary presence, locking down its Tibetan areas, and barring foreigners to keep information from seeping out of the region.

The Dalai Lama, the revered leader of Tibetan Buddhists who fled to exile as the 1959 uprising collapsed, said the current crackdown added to decades of repression and misery for Tibetans, turning their homeland into "hell on earth."

"Even today, Tibetans in Tibet live in constant fear, and the Chinese authorities remain constantly suspicious of them," the Dalai Lama said in an anniversary speech from the headquarters of his government-in-exile across the Himalayas in Dharmsala, India.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu called the Dalai Lama's remarks "lies" and accused him of spreading rumors.

Lhasa residents received notice on their cell phones Tuesday from carrier China Mobile that voice and text messaging services may face disruptions from March 10 to May 1 for "network improvements." Similar measures were recently taken in other Tibetan communities as the government sought to unplug communications that activists used to spread word of the protests last year.

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As part of the heightened security, overseas Tibet support groups reported that police arrested at least four monks last week in the heavily Tibetan town of Aba, where security forces opened fire on demonstrators last year. The London-based Free Tibet Campaign said the detained monks were held on suspicion of distributing flyers that said others would to set themselves on fire to commemorate the uprising.

Last year, an attempt by monks in Lhasa to stage a peaceful march drew swift reprisal from police. It then set off more protests that tapped into Tibetan fears that their identity, deeply rooted in their religion, is being undermined by Chinese rule, its religious restrictions and the influx of large numbers of Chinese migrants.

Ethnic rioting erupted in Lhasa on March 14 and anti-government protests spread to Tibetan communities in surrounding provinces across a quarter of China's territory _ the most widespread, sustained revolt in Tibet since 1959.

Beijing has yet to give a full accounting for deaths and arrests. The New York-based Human Rights Watch said in a report released Monday that the official figures on arrests and convictions suggest that several hundred remain in custody.

Even as Tuesday's anniversary passed, ramped-up security is to remain in place for several more weeks to make sure that other important dates passed uneventfully, likely aggravating resentment among Tibetans. In Kangding, a mixed Chinese-Tibetan city that's an eastern gateway to the Tibetan highlands, Communist Party secretary Xiang Luo reviewed paramilitary police late Monday and told them to be extra vigilant around four "very sensitive dates" in March.

He cited March 10, the date in 1959 on the start of the uprising; March 14, which marks last year's riot; March 18, the date in 1959 when the Dalai Lama fled; and March 28, the date in 1959 when China declared victory and placed Tibet under Beijing's direct rule for the first time. "You must accomplish your job for those dates. They are very important," Xiang said.

With troops in large numbers placed around communities and the many monasteries whose monks were at the forefront of the rebellions, Tibetans were likely to bide their time until the security waned.

"They generally wait when things are tough on an anniversary. They tend, in the past, to do very little on that day and wait until the guard is down and the troops are back in the barracks, and then do very small things repeatedly over a long time," said Robert Barnett, a Tibetan affairs expert at Columbia University. "The Tibetans are there for the duration until the situation gets better."

Officials have said that Tibetans from other areas were key instigators in last year's Lhasa riots. In Aba, in the mountains of Sichuan province, shops and restaurants were ordered closed at 7 p.m., said Matt Whitticase of the Free Tibet Campaign.

At the Changdu Hotel in the eastern Tibetan city of Changdu, a clerk said police were enforcing strict ID checks _ but only for Tibetans. "Any Tibetan from Qinghai or Ganzi or other areas who wants to stay must show their ID cards, but this rule doesn't apply to ethnic Chinese," said the clerk.

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Associated Press writers Chi-Chi Zhang in Beijing and Gavin Rabinowitz in Dharmsala, India, contributed to this story.

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- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Hell on Earth? The Dalai Lama should know what that is, since that is what life was like in Tibet before China emancipated his slaves and serfs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 04/08/2009
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Here is what Reporters woithout birders has to say about Tibet:
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/March2009/09/c7103.html

"We urge the Chinese authorities to allow foreign journalists to visit
Tibet and the Tibetan regions
freely," Reporters Without Borders said. "We also call on them to grant
the Tibet-based media more editorial freedom and to stop jamming international
radio stations broadcasting in the Tibetan language."
The press freedom organisation added: "The crackdown launched after the
events of March 2008 has never stopped. The authorities have gone to great
lengths to impose the official version of events, denying the existence of
Tibetan victims. The statements full of hatred for Tibetans made by certain
Chinese officials are unacceptable. The government keeps reiterating the need
to maintain stability, but this translates into a relentless persecution of
dissidents in Tibet."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 03/20/2009
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"Reporters Without Borders" has no connection with Medecins sans fronteres (Doctors without borders) and is a George Soros front which doesn't do much for reporters in non-approved countries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 03/20/2009
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So what exactly about the RSF post regarding signal jamming, general crackdown on Tibetans, persecutions of Tibetans is wrong? Where exactly are the factual errors. I'd really like to know in the interest of truth. Or is this a case of attack the messenger because the embarrassing message can't be refuted?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 03/21/2009
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Reporters Without Borders just another front for propaganda. Do not read them unless you want to get a nasty case of brainwashing. Reader beware. And I don't reat their stuff, because I am too bust to vet all their fantasy news stories.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 04/08/2009
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Hell on earth? He must be having a nightmare back to when he "ruled" over his slaves and serfs! In the past 50 years, after he left, the life expectancy has almost doubled! Slavery has been banned, children go to school and women give birth in hospitals not outside in the dirt because the monks deem them dirty. Oh, did I forget to mention, eye gouging and the ear tax has also been eliminated by China. The Dalai Lama's "Hell On Earth" has been eliminated, and the people of Tibet have made huge improvements unimagined by the dalai Lama, and they have a bright future.

Where do Monks who tell lies and take money from the CIA go after they die?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 03/20/2009
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The faults of the Dalai Lama are not perceived or alleged. They have been shown to be actions to maintain his own position as leader and on behalf of his imperial sponsors.
His boneheaded decision to let his followers attack the Chinese Olympics backfired.
The people of the world care more for Palestinian independence than Tibet's and that speaks more to the relative rightness of their causes.
No reply has been made to my question why the peace loving Dalai Lama spoke for the invasion of Afghanistan and did not denounce the invasion of Iraq, or speak out against the mistreatment of the Palestinian people. If he had been consistent about supporting the aspirations of other peoples, he might receive more support in turn.
I repeat: Tibetans have no more right to secede than Texans :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 03/17/2009
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The Olympic riots are a picnic compared to Palestinian violence. The UN labels their lobbing rockets into civilian areas a war crime. The PLO and Fatah are corrupt and often unprincipled. Hamas really does want a theocracy. But I support the Palestinian cause, faults and all, and hope they can deliver themselves from brutality of Israeli occupation and the shortcomings of their leaders. There's no contest here between which group deserves 'rightness'- such a perspective has it completely upside down. It's not as if there's only so much justice to go around. Both struggles illustrate the barbarity of occupation and each shows a potential way out of barbarity.
If the criteria for a people to be free depended on the virtue of its leaders, there would be no Republic of Ireland, India, Mexico, and certainly not a China.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 03/17/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 96 fans permalink
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Sorry, but I prefer fixed, stable, borders, and all these petty nationalisms only breed war. It would take a stretch of the imagination to equate Chinese treatment of Tibetan secessionists with Isareal's bombardment of Gaza. Not that you haven't revealed yourself by calling the ineffective lobbing of toy rockets a 'war crime'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 03/20/2009
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The historical fact remains, that Tibet has been a part of China for a continuous period of more than 700 years, from the time of the Yuan dynasty.
The British invaded Tibet twice in 1888 and in 1903. , the British army occupied Lhasa, and the 13th Dalai Lama was forced to flee from the city. Under the Simla treaty, parts of Chinese Tibet was annexed to India. The Chinese representative refused to sign the treaty.
The British tried several times to get the Tibetans to declare their independence, in 1901, 1913, 1942, and 1948 under cover of internal Chinese turmoil. Dean Acheson, US secretary of state, tried to declare Tibet as an independent country, using the feudal ruling lama class as their agents. Each time, they failed.
The Tibetans even established alliances with the Nazis in WW II in an attempt to gain independence.

Finally, in 1951, victorious Chinese troops established control over Tibet.
I've given lots of links to prove my argument, but so far, no one has refuted the historical basis of China's claim to Tibet, or disputed my information about the Dalai Lama.
So why should the rest of the world fight to reinstate a theocratic dictatorship?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 03/15/2009
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Here we go back in 'history' again, this time for the spectacle to intentionally repeat its mistakes. Imperialism made a mess of the boarders in Asia and Africa particularly. Here we have a nation with its own religion, food, language, contiguous boarders among other defining traits that wants to be free of Chinese neo-imperialism. Further this neo-imperialism, in 2009, brings peril, suffering, and human rights catastrophe. We're not in 1959 any longer, and there is no reason to believe that some theocracy will be established.* The world has changed and so has Tibetan social relations; it's not so easy to put feudalism back together again. I love to learn about history, but to use it to have two wrongs, European/Japanese imperialism and Chinese neo-imperialism, make a right isn't working too well here.

*I helped organize protests in USA against intervention in Iran back in 1979/80 even though Iran was a theocracy. I still embrace the logic that they have a right to make their own mistakes free from the disasters imperialism brought them. I don't see Tibet automatically going back in some time machine to 1959, but let them decide their own fate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 03/16/2009
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Part I: Sorry, but your definition of a 'nation' does not result in a right of division of a state, otherwise we'd have the colonial powers encouraging separatists to er, separate as a matter of political strategy all the time. Oh yeah, but that's exactly what they did. In Kosovo, Ukraine, Georgia, in Lebanon, in the former Yugoslavia where a Slavic people were convinced by Europe that Serbs Croatians and Slovenes couldn't get along.
You might want to read this paper by Stephen Sachs "Self Determination and Disorder"
http://www.stevesachs.com/papers/paper_selfd.html which might better help you understand why I don't think we're quite ready for 8000 countries where every pisspot politician gets to call for independence.
I agree that for a stable international order, borders should not be redrawn by force, and that the aspirations of people can be met within a society without breaking up whole countries.
So I would disagree that Basques or Texans have an inherent right to withdraw from the union. I think that Tibetan elites who took advantage of British American interference to push for autonomy ought not to complain when the Chinese took back what was an internal part of China in 1951, especially when they had been plotting to separate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 03/16/2009
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Part II: You use emotive arguments which do not in any way refute the history, political ontology or essential right under International Law for China to defend its borders. You conflate and exaggerate the destruction of a feudal society with the destruction of a culture. You may have defended Iran's right to look after its own affairs, would you have said the same if Khuzestan or Azherbaijan wanted to secede from Iran?
I see no reason why the Palestinians and the Israelis can't live together, or Kashmir could not exist within India, as long as minority and International rights were respected. If Belgium or Switzerland could not exist as multi-national states, why not others?
But the root of the Palestinian problem has always been its corrupt leadership, and the same, unfortunately, is the case for the Tibetan people.
The Dalai Lama did not speak up when India invaded Goa against the wishes of its population. He did not speak up for the Kashmiris, and supported the invasion of Afghanistan to please his American masters. He never spoke out for the self determination of the Palestinian people, and, since he is the one man band of Tibetan nationalism, excuse me for pointing out his hypocrisy, and the hypocrisy of his followers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 03/16/2009
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How to lock down a Nation, part 2/end:
Once again Amnesty International website:

"This year the regional authorities have named 28 March ‘Serf Emancipation Day’ to mark 50 years since the establishment of TAR under Chinese Communist Party rule and to “strengthen Tibetans patriotism and expose the Dalai Lama clique”.3The regional authorities, interviewed by Radio Free Asia, have acknowledged that Tibetans are reluctant to mark the day – yet the authorities are trying to force festive celebrations.4" [report 6 March 2009] Note that "This year" refers to 2008, see their website for the footnotes in text.

I thought a little comic relief was in order since part 1 was so gloomy. Forced festive celebrations? I have to give credit to CC(sic)P for creativity. What's next, strength through joy?? Like the best humor, this little CC(sic)P joke has a moment of pain within it. It's too bad journalists weren't there to cover the forced frivolity. I would've loved to have seen that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 03/15/2009
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How to lock down a Nation, part 1
"The Chinese authorities' failure to address the long-standing grievances of the Tibetan people, including unequal employment and educational opportunities, scores of Tibetans detained and the intensification of the "patriotic education" campaign has fuelled protests that have continued over the past 12 months."
[Amnesty International report 10 March 2009]
I'm astounded at the bravery of the Tibetans standing up against the Chinese Ministry of Love. It's clear that CC(sic)P is less than proud of its own actions, hence the systematic isolation of journalists and human rights workers from the region. One might think that Chinese would want to highlight Tibet from what some of the pro-tyranny crowd have posted here, but for all its faults the CC(sic)P isn't stupid. It wants Tibet quarantined from scrutiny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 03/15/2009
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How to lock down a Nation, part 1:
(from Amnesty International website) "Since March 2008 there has been strict control on the flow of information from the region. Foreign journalists have only been allowed in on government organized group tours and all access has been denied to UN monitors."

"In spite of this on-going closure and the recent increased military presence, Amnesty International is receiving reports of a number of human rights violations being carried out against the population. These include arbitrary detentions, arbitrary arrests, prolonged detention and imprisonment of peaceful protestors and other prisoners of conscience, torture and other ill-treatment, violations of freedom of expression, association and assembly, and of Tibetan people's right to maintain their culture, language and religion"
[from 9March 2009 report]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 03/15/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 96 fans permalink
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Red or dead, instead of replying to you in the increasingly narrow box you're writing in, try here.
Either I'm a 'liberal' or a 'Stalinist' but surely, not both? Even when I give specific reasons for my POV?
The Chinese have 55 official ethnic minorities but that does not mean they are not mistreated any more than minorities in India, for example. Some argue that it was wrong for Pres. Lincoln to fight to preserve the Union in the US civil war. Others do not, and so what's the difference if the Chinese were to do the same for their country?
And you might want to address my criticism of the Dalai Lama's links to the CIA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 03/15/2009
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For further reading i suggest retired CIA agent John Kenneth Knaus's 1999 book, Orphans of the Cold War: America and the Tibetan Struggle for Survival, which shows how in 1957, the Dalai Lama's older brother, Gyalo Thondup, recruited 5 men to train with the CIA to organise the revolt. Knaus ran the field office coordinating the revolt from New Delhi.
He is now working on a new book.
85,000 Tibetans died in the 1959 revolt.
Given the Dalai Lama's continued association with the CIA, I don't blame the Chinese for not believing his assurances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 03/14/2009
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The U.S, instigated the 1959 uprising against the Chinese and the CIA armed the Tibetan rebels, who naively expected US intervention to help them. There just is no way the Tibetans will be trusted by the Chinese to have autonomy again.
Just as Cuban exiles expected help at the Bay of Pigs, just as the Kurds and Shia did expect help against Saddam Hussein, to their detriment.
The US with its color coded revolutions, its support for separatist movements from Ukraine to Georgia, its 'human rights' fronts, Democracy Watches and Freedom Houses, always uses front men to attack its perceived enemies, and protect its interests.
The Dalai Lama is unlikely to prevail against the Chinese, nor will he be able to get any further help from the U.S., which has rather a full plate and won't be listening to or making moral lectures right now.
Its easy to attack any criticism as coming from pro-Chinese shills. But I don't see American interests being served by interfering in Tibet. Yes, China has an awful human rights record. It also is the inheritor of one of the earliest and greatest civilisations of the world, and like India, I see it will find its way. And philosophically, there is no way I will ever support a theocratic society, of whatever ilk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 03/12/2009
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I just love it when folks cop a position. The Human Rights record of any country needs to be examined two ways. 1, compared to an ideal situation, paradise on earth, and 2 relative to other countries.

Then again, we have the issue of exactly what constitutes a Human right?

So, ask the folks who live in Yugoslavia today, is it really better than Tito? Was all the slaughter worth being "free."

60 years is not a long time to bring human rights to any country mired in the depths of poverty, feudal war lords, slaves and serfs, and recovering from famins and hording, and colonialism and imperialism. I would love to know when Afghanistan will recover? china has done a great job, but the job in not finished, and outside interferrence is really NOT helpful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 03/13/2009
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Could someone translate the Ministry of Truth's document out of doublespeak and into English?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 03/13/2009
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The Dalai Lama is a paid CIA agent. Sorry, but that is the mistake the Dalai Lama made in 1959. He, and his supporters in Dharmasala are not considered refugees, by the US, as they are exiles. US paid the Dalai Lama $180,000, yearly, to leave Lahsa in 1959, and lie about China, and another 1.7 million to support activities including instigation of "sponteaneous uprisings," insurgency, violence, propaganda both in China, Europe and the US, etc, later raised to 2 milliom, and then 2.2 million. Several organizations, Like Tibet House, are either fronts for this CIA-Dalai Lama operation, or funded by it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 03/12/2009
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It's a fact that from the 1930's on the US communist party supported the civil rights movement. It was one of the best things they ever did, but this rather marginal support led to hysteria sometimes. 'The Negroes are being stirred up by the commies! Martin Luther King is on the payroll of the Soviets!' anti-civil rights Americans would exclaim. I'm glad your logic of tyranny wasn't successfully applied then. Bigots in USA fought against freedom and mostly lost.

Claims of CIA this or that do not exhaust the argument. Would that somehow mean that 'oh ok it's fine to treat the Tibetan's like dogs now. We can just let them be under the thumb of Chinese.'

I'm starting to feel sorry for you pro CC(sic)P shills. You can't just come out and say: "We love repression. We love how China screws its own people and subjugates the Tibetans. We love how freedom of speech, ability to form independent labor unions, or even wear a Tshirt with Dalai Lama's image are all forbidden." That's the essence of CC(sic)P accomplishment- a cesspool of unfreedom for themselves and everyone under their rule.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 03/12/2009
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I would agree that just because the Dalai Lama allowed himself to brcome a paid CIA asset and left Tibet, and lied about China, does not make it OK for China to tereat ethnic Tibetans like dogs. Unlike others who oppose the Free Tibet movement, I don't say China is bad, but... I actually took the time to see if ethnic tibetans are doing well as a result of reforms in China.

The result is, even if the Dalai Lama had not tried to serve two masters, and betrayed both his country and his faith, he did not, did not want to, and could not have enacted the reforms necesary to bring the ethnic Tibetans out of crushing poverty. But China did want to have equal rights in China.

You accuse China of treating Tibetans like dogs, but that is not what I saw when I lived in China, and that was back in the 1980s. Tibetans under the Dalai Lama were treated like dogs, even worse than dogs, but today, ethnic Tibetans are encouraged to do well, study, have good jobs, or livlihood, and serve in the Tibetan local government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rngniqP8aDE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 03/13/2009
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It'd be amusing to hear what you anti-Tibetan freedom crowd would have said as India was struggling for its independence last century. "Oh, but they have a caste system." "Gandhi's a nut. He's a paid Nazi agent. He's part of the French conspiracy to ruin Britain." It's funny and sad at the same time.

Because of the supposed faults of the past, or the alleged deficiencies of Dalai Lama, they are to be denied self-determination. As if history can be stopped in its tracks. Let the Tibetans make their own fate. They'd have to work pretty hard to make a worse mess than their CC(sic)P masters did with Chinese independence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 03/11/2009
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Sorry, but that's a weak argument. I'd like to see how long the Dally Lama would be able to stay in India if he were to call for the self determination of the Kashmiri people. I'd ask how popular he'd be with his many Jewish followers in America if he called for the self-determination of the Palestinian people. Good thing he never did, right?
So either self determination is an inalienable right, to be accorded to ALL, or it depends on many many factors. So that's too bad, but no go.
And if the U.S. wants the Chinese to buy another $1.4 trillion in Treasury Bills, perhaps it just might stay out of the Sino-Tibetan dispute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 03/11/2009
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Or else, the PRC will do what? If the US economy deteriorates any further, even more Chinese factories will close and even more Chinese workers will get laid off. Without economic growth, the Chinese public won't be so pleased with the CCP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 03/12/2009
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The above is hardly an argument; it's a statement of principles united with an lampoon of the lack of principles of the proCC(sic)P side. Here's a 'spiritual' exercise for you- declare that the Tibetans and Palestinians each face a brutal occupation, and any sense of justice would have them be free on their own land. Each struggle has its uniqueness of course but both people cry out for justice.
It's the people of Tibet I stand in solidarity with who face the everyday humiliation of occupation, irrespective of what the Dalai Lama says about Kashmir, Palestine or wherever. Why would one let:

Because of the supposed faults of the past, or the alleged deficiencies of Dalai Lama, they are to be denied self-determination.

be one's strategy? I'd prefer: "...self determination is an inalienable right, to be accorded to ALL," as a least a start to explore the question of freedom for any group.

I'm glad you bring up the CC(sic)P ownership of T Bills as it points to their state capitalist nature. I refuse to let the squabbles of two capitalist powers over TBills be the ground for my support or non-support of a freedom struggle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 AM on 03/12/2009
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It's fair comment to examine a movement characterised by untruthful historical claims, led by a compromised political leader whose agenda is to destabilise a country, and ask whether his spiritual claims disguise an innate hypocrisy, or claims of Chinese mistreatment of his people are true or just exagerrated.
It is a fact that the Chinese are fearful of autonomy and separatist movements, especially the ones instigated from abroad. It is a fact that a state has a right to defend its internal stability for the good of the whole.
I find selective concern for the human rights of one people and not others to be the ultimate in hypocrisy, but that's the way of the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 03/12/2009
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If you think India is so great, go live there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 03/13/2009
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The Chinese governemnt has hired shills and has its own people in the government or highly supportive of it go to blogs letters to the editors etc to have a public relation camapign against the tibetan people and hh dalai lama. they are saying the most outrageous things. that horrible acts were and are committed by a people who strive for non violence. do not beleive these posts. they are lies. its saddens me. the chinese government has killed over 1 million tibetans, its genocide.
then they went into nepal killing and maiming and taking over the government there. now china is playing footsie with our forces in the pacific after spending years of unprecidented military buildup.
the best thing we can do is boycott as many chinese goods as possible and white to the president and demand he take a harsher line with china.
may all beings have happiness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 03/11/2009
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I agree but would add that a real dialogue needs to take place. The CCP is attempting to paint this as them "helping" Tibetans when it should be obvious that their real motivation is militarily strategic, a resource grab, and cultural uniformity - that being a culture of unquestioning submission to the authority of the state. All countries deal with these issues to a certain extent but the global community has a higher regard for human life and liberty than does the CCP. This is understandable given Chinese cultural history. I feel confident that as Chinese travel abroad and engage in the exchange of ideas, the ideas will begin to permeate the culture. The state will continue to wage a propaganda war but, ultimately, people's right to self-determination will win. That is all I will say on this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 03/11/2009

"I feel confident that as Chinese travel abroad and engage in the exchange of ideas, the ideas will begin to permeate the culture"
1. Fact:Chinese are entirely free to travel abroad.
2, Fact: Chinese practice economic freedom ( not political) far in access of American.
3. Fact: China economically is a lender nation. U.S. is a borrower nation. Speaking of wise policies.
Most of the peoples and nations through out history who came in contact Chinese culture end up copying it: Tai Chi, Chinese medicine (acupuncture) etc..
In the case of current Western dominance, the exchange is fairly equal.
Chinese are willing to learn and are willing to teach.
Who should we cooperate with, Chinese or Arabs? The choice here is clear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 03/11/2009
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That's your answer? Anyone you disagree with must be a Megaphoney shill?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 03/11/2009
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Thanks. As a Buddhist I am deeply offended by the corruption of my own group.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 03/11/2009
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Please, you're understanding of Buddhism is obviously superficial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 03/11/2009
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Those long searches pulling up "editorials" are quite amusing. Because it was submitted to the NYT Huff post readers would take it seriously.

Who cares how Tibet conducts itself. Nothing justifies what the Chinese government has done there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 03/11/2009
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