Levin In Talks With Treasury To Kill Tax Break For Financiers

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First Posted: 03-11-09 07:14 PM   |   Updated: 04-11-09 05:12 AM

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It took an unlikely alignment of events to create a situation where venture capitalists and private equity managers could pay a lower tax rate than their secretaries. And it doesn't look like it'll last.

Rep. Sandy Levin (D-Mich.), who's been on a quest to reform the tax rule, told the Huffington Post he's been in touch with the Treasury Department putting the final touches on a bill that will end the practice, bringing at least $25 billion in additional tax revenue.

Levin's efforts coincide with a line item in President Obama's budget which calls for taxing carried interest as ordinary income. The item is creating some consternation on Wall Street and within the Republican Party.

"I'm hopeful," said Levin. "It's not only raising money, the most important issue is equity, fairness. As part of the effort to create fairness in the tax code, this should and will be part of it."

At issue is how the profits from some partnerships are taxed. For example, VC firms, private equity shops, some hedge funds and real estate companies take investor funds and put the money in stocks, start-up companies and buildings, respectively, to make more money. The profit that these partnerships generate is currently treated as long-term capital gains, taxed at a rate of 15 percent, as long as it is held longer than a year.

But critics of the tax rule say the profit isn't capital gains. Rather, the partnerships have provided a service and so the profit is really ordinary income, they say, and so should be taxed at the ordinary income rate of 35 percent.

For Levin, his mission began in 2007, when a law school friend of his who had become a tax lawyer told him about the tax rule. "I came back, talked to the staff and said, 'Scrub this.' After two or three months they came back with their conclusion that it was unjustifiable," said Levin, a subcommittee chairman on the Ways and Means Committee, which handles tax policy. His bill passed the House but died in the closely divided Senate.

While the Obama administration has not revealed much about its plan to change the tax rule, the budget item comes with a $2.5 billion revenue forecast, suggesting the change would be sweeping, said Joel Scharfstein, a tax partner at the law firm Fried Frank. "At this point, it is just a line item, and we haven't heard too much more, but I am assuming that the Levin bill will be a starting point," he said.

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How did such a lopsided policy ever take hold? The rule on carried interest was established in 1954, when a large set of the tax code was codified. It was never much of a problem because most partnerships were small factories or other businesses that produced tangible products, so any profit was taxed as ordinary income.

This changed as complex financial firms began making profits off of intangible products like stock investments, and began claiming long-term capital gains regularly.

President Clinton fueled the trend when he cut the capital gains tax in 1997 from 28 percent to 20 percent. With the highest tax bracket for ordinary income at 39.6 percent, it meant financial firms that had been looking at an 11.6-percentage-point spread, now had a 19.6-percentage-point differential.

A Clinton official said that when the rate was cut, no one in the administration foresaw that it could impact private-equity compensation like it has.

Then, in 2003, President Bush slashed the rate down to 15 percent and the top rate to 35 percent, giving managers an extra five points they could shave from their tax bill if they could count income as capital gains.

"Everybody started saying, 'Lets structure everything we can to generate capital gains on an ongoing, ordinary basis,'" said Clinton Stretch, a principal at Deloitte Tax. "The point was to just generate capital gains."

Defenders of the loophole argue that the tax rule encourages capital investment, and is a long-accepted practice. Because the VCs and others put in so-called "sweat equity" -- working hard to create a profit -- it is capital gains, these people say.

"You can have a good academic argument about the definition of income, about whether or not they should claim this as ordinary or as capital income because they put sweat equity into it," said Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, a leading voice for Republicans on economic issues. "There's a longstanding tradition that if you put a dollar of investment in, then you're a part investor and you can split the proceeds of the investment based on any factor you want to. Then, it ought to be cap gains and that's a pretty widely understood theory."

Especially in an economic downturn, changing the rules makes little sense, according to critics. Firms aren't making as much profit anyway, and it "will definitely put a damper on entrepreneurship," said a tax partner at Sadis & Goldberg, Roger Lorence.

Rep. Ryan added: "Most people think, let's just go get these big bad Wall Street guys. But the question is, what kind of ramifications will this have on Main Street people and small businesses?"

Still, Levin argues that Wall Street financiers would continue receive the more favorable 15 percent rate if they invest their own money into a partnership. Small businesses, he said, will be specifically addressed in a separate bill. "To the extent they've invested their own money, they pay a capital gain. To the extent they're managing other people's money, they pay ordinary income tax like everybody else who is managing other people's funds," he said.

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Give the middle class tax relief & end the financial crisin
This is such an easy way to end the financial crisis that it's a no brainer!

We can clean up the foreclosure mess and support the auto industry quickly & without borrowing.
Let those we are 60 and over use their pension, 401K and IRA funds TAX FREE if they use the cash to buy foreclosures (primary or vacation homes that must be kept at least 3 years) or auto's made in the USA (including Toyota, Honda etc that have US plants). Within 12 months, foreclosures would disappear, the housing market wouls stabilize, the auto industry would be up and running and we would create JOBS, JOBS, JOBS - without going further into individual debt or borrowing from China.
Why not try the above plan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 03/14/2009
- WorldGriot I'm a Fan of WorldGriot 10 fans permalink
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"The Economy" is the system by which we manage the society we yearn to have. The tax code is the spine of that economy that promises to distribute the wealth (which is the power) in the most equitable way to gain the results of our charter. The Preamble of our charter says that the purpose for which we "established and ordained" it was "in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.­.." . So here's the issue. We are making more billionaires and paupers simultaneously; we are creating more businesses yet fewer jobs; we are exporting arms and war while importing toxic toys, foods and construction materials; we have more churches and less spirituality; we have the greatest schools yet the dumbest students; we have "the worlds's best culture" with the world's most broken families. WHO IS THE DAMN REFEREE IN THIS GAME AND WHAT IN ALL HELL IS HE SMOKING? Wall Street is the LAST place to manage the economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 03/13/2009

So, most of us over the age of 50 should remember that hero of deregulation, Ronald Reagan, and his use of (often false) anecdotes to make his point that “…government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.” (from his first Inaugural Address) One of his most famous examples was that of the “Welfare Queen from Chicago”, bilking the hapless government for thousand$. Well, a quick web search of hhs.gov (the current Dept. of Health & Human Srvcs) shows that AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) expenditure for 1980 – the year Reagan made his “Welfare Queen” speech – was about $7.3 billion. Now compare that sum to 2009 TARP who_res’ welfare – Citigroup, B of A, J.P. Morgan, etc., etc., etc. – and I’d say most of us should pine for that era when rip-offs buying gold Cadillacs made headlines. (At least they were putting that money back into the US economy!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 03/12/2009
- userw014 I'm a Fan of userw014 2 fans permalink
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Why should capital gains be taxed at a lower rate than ordinary income?

How is capital gains income different from gambling income? Why should our tax system prefer gambling as an "economic" activity over other activities that produce real wealth (goods & services)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 03/12/2009

"Because the VCs and others put in so-called "sweat equity" -- working hard to create a profit -- it is capital gains, these people say."

"Sweat equity?" LMFAO!!! Whose sweat are we talking about? I thought venture capitalists only sweat in the steam room at the country club. Unless, of course, their golf carts break down while their caddies are fetching another pitcher of martini's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 03/12/2009
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 60 fans permalink
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Viet-Cong put in sweat equity????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 03/12/2009
- lena22 I'm a Fan of lena22 4 fans permalink
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If I can pay my taxes, these rich welfare seekers in the form of tax breaks can pay their taxes too. You have to pay to play:) in capitalism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 03/12/2009
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 72 fans permalink

Time for the Middle Class to revolt. We are the majority and we should not have two classes
of people. This is still the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 03/12/2009
- RandVictims I'm a Fan of RandVictims 112 fans permalink
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I've been asking for revolt for years. I'm just waiting for the submissive koolaid to wear off so we, as a mass movement, can give the corporate oligarchy a message they can understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 03/12/2009

They undderstand money as driven by consumer demand. Boycott any company that does not treat the great citizens of this country fairly. We can start with Wal-Mart!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 03/12/2009
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 80 fans permalink

I am sick of the 400 richest people in this country WHINING ABOUT TAXES... they are paying 17% now and who can point me to ONE JOB they have generated in the last 8 years.... There is one reason that the bottom 80% have not experienced ANY GAINS in income in the last 30 years and that is because the rich have collected it all...It never trickled down AND WHEN WE SAVED, then they STOLE from our 401ks and told us we were stupid....

! million dollars every working day and 17% in taxes... I want Obama to put in a signing statement or some Bush like law and take the cap off of the payroll taxes and also apply it to capiltal gains.... Then we will see what kind of deficits this country have when the RICH ARE TAXED FAIRLY... and if they don't like this, then we go after BUSINESS EXPENSES..­..HOW MANY of these crooks are paying their mistresses or prostitutes and claiming it as a business expense? Time to Legalize prostitution and audit their records...­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 03/12/2009
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 65 fans permalink

Repubicans and conservatives need to go to their nearest video store and rent the movie Network to understand what the rest of us feel like these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 03/11/2009
- pjean I'm a Fan of pjean 11 fans permalink

What is it with these rich people and all of these tax breaks. How dare they say that they pay their fair share. They made money before the Reagan, and Bush Tax cuts they will make money once they go back up to those levels.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 03/11/2009
- DeanAdams I'm a Fan of DeanAdams 8 fans permalink
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I bet the people in Wisconsin who work for a living are excited to hear that Mr. Ryan thinks that the sweat equity of private investors is considerably more valuable and taxed at a lower rate than their own labor. I thought people from Wisconsin generally had common sense, how could they elect someone who could make statement like these.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 03/11/2009
- stuporman I'm a Fan of stuporman 9 fans permalink

the article doesn't address how many of those 'start-up companies' are shell companies designed for tax evasion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 03/11/2009

Wall Street and CONservatives throwing a hissy, that's a shocker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 03/11/2009
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Change is indeed coming to America and the world. When the dust settles , the conservatives will find out you just can't put that Jennie back in the bottle. Things will be going more the way for the every day person and show the conservative " opportunity society " to be a big lie for those same every day people who will have found new freedoms in this climate of change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 03/11/2009
- Synoia I'm a Fan of Synoia 6 fans permalink

Why is capital taxed less than labor? All this "harms investmnet" talk is BS. What else will the affluend do with thir money? Stuff it in the mattress?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 03/11/2009
- Osusuki I'm a Fan of Osusuki 36 fans permalink

I'll bet most of them would be better off right now if they HAD stuffed it in a mattress. If it sits there and doesn't draw interest, there are no income or capital gains taxes to worry about. Plus, no Ponzi schemes to lose it all down the rathole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 AM on 03/12/2009
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