Most Immigrants In Detention Did Not Have Criminal Record, Reports AP

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MICHELLE ROBERTS | March 15, 2009 11:13 PM EST | AP

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This photo released by Lauren Rivera shows Sarjina Emy in an April 2006 photo. Emy, a 20-year-old former honors student, spent nearly two years in a Florida lockup, because her parents' asylum claim was denied when she was a child. (AP Photo/Lauren Rivera)

America's detention system for immigrants has mushroomed in the last decade, a costly building boom that was supposed to sweep up criminals and ensure that undocumented immigrants were quickly shown the door.

Instead, an Associated Press computer analysis of every person being held on a recent Sunday night shows that most did not have a criminal record and many were not about to leave the country _ voluntarily or via deportation.

An official Immigration and Customs Enforcement database, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, showed a U.S. detainee population of exactly 32,000 on the evening of Jan. 25.

The data show that 18,690 immigrants had no criminal conviction, not even for illegal entry or low-level crimes like trespassing. More than 400 of those with no criminal record had been incarcerated for at least a year. A dozen had been held for three years or more; one man from China had been locked up for more than five years.

Nearly 10,000 had been in custody longer than 31 days _ the average detention stay that ICE cites as evidence of its effective detention management.

Especially tough bail conditions are exacerbated by disregard or bending of the rules regarding how long immigrants can be detained.

Based on a 2001 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court, ICE has about six months to deport or release immigrants after their case is decided. But immigration lawyers say that deadline is routinely missed. In the system snapshot provided to the AP, 950 people were in that category.

The detainee buildup began in the mid 1990s, long before the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Since 2003, though, Congress has doubled to $1.7 billion the amount dedicated to imprisoning immigrants, as furor over "criminal aliens" intertwined with post-9/11 fears and anti-immigrant political rhetoric.

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But the dragnet has come to include not only terrorism suspects and cop killers, but an honors student who was raised in Orlando, Fla.; a convenience store clerk who begged to go back to Canada; and a Pentecostal minister who was forcibly drugged by ICE agents after he asked to contact his wife, according to court records.

Immigration lawyers note that substantial numbers of detainees, from 177 countries in the data provided, are not illegal immigrants at all. Many of the longest-term non-criminal detainees are asylum seekers fighting to stay here because they fear being killed in their home country. Others are longtime residents who may be eligible to stay under other criteria, or whose applications for permanent residency were lost or mishandled, the lawyers say.

Still other long-term detainees include people who can't be deported because their home country won't accept them or people who seemingly have been forgotten in the behemoth system, where 58 percent have no lawyers or anyone else advocating on their behalf.

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ICE says detention is the best way to guarantee that immigrants attend court hearings and leave the country when ordered.

"It's ensuring compliance, and if you look at the stats, for folks who are in detention, the stats are pretty darn high," said ICE spokeswoman Cori Bassett.

By comparison though, most criminal suspects, even sometimes those accused of heinous offenses, are entitled to bail.

For detainees, ICE agents make an initial determination whether someone is eligible for bond. Federal law says most criminals, some asylum seekers, arriving immigrants who have problems with their documentation and those recently ordered removed from the country must remain in detention.

"We're immigrants, and it makes it seem like it's worse than a criminal," said Sarjina Emy, a 20-year-old former honors student who spent nearly two years in a Florida lockup because her parents' asylum claim was denied when she was a child. "I always thought America does so much for justice. I really thought you get a fair trial. You actually go to court. (U.S. authorities) know what they are doing. Now, I figured out that it only works for criminal citizens."

Some advocates and lawyers complain that ICE often stretches the definition of non-bondable categories to keep immigrants in custody. Immigrants can appeal adverse determinations, but while their claim works through the court system, they remain jailed.

For example, Zoubir Bouchikhi, an Algerian imam who has lived legally in the United States for 11 years, said by phone from a Houston detention center that he was placed in custody early this year and classified as "an arriving alien," making him ineligible for bail. A homeowner with several U.S.-born children, Bouchikhi said he last entered the United States in 2006, on a legal visa.

The use of detention to ensure immigrants show up for immigration court comes at a high cost compared to alternatives like electronic ankle monitoring, which can track people for considerably less money per day.

Based on the amount budgeted for this fiscal year, U.S. taxpayers will pay about $141 a night _ the equivalent of a decent hotel room _ for each immigrant detained, even though paroling them on ankle monitors _ at a budgeted average daily cost of $13 _ has an almost perfect compliance rate, according to ICE's own stats.

Critics argue that since the immigration court system lacks the constitutional protections granted accused murderers and rapists, taxpayers are grossly overspending for a system that is inhumane and unfair.

"This is not an economically rational way of ensuring people show up, and it doesn't further justice," said Judy Rabinovitz of the American Civil Liberties Union's Immigrants Rights Project.

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For years, ICE and its predecessor, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, had the power to detain immigrants. With little bed space or public clamor to lock people up, though, millions of foreigners quietly went about life in the United States.

In 1996, Congress passed a pair of laws requiring that immigrants who committed crimes be locked up for deportation, beginning a dramatic run-up in incarcerations. So-called "criminal aliens" _ immigrants convicted of a crime, including some misdemeanors like low-level drug crimes _ became mandatory detainees even if their original crime brought no prison time.

A system that housed 6,785 immigrants in 1994 now holds nearly five times that amount in 260 facilities across the country, most under contract with local governments or private companies. For this fiscal year, ICE has enough money budgeted for 33,400 people on any given night.

Groups that advocate limits on immigration see no problem with the growing use of incarceration, which they say is a deterrent.

"Just because you haven't committed a crime doesn't mean that you shouldn't be held in detention until you can be deported," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform. Even though not every illegal immigrant can be held, "if you bust a certain amount, it sends a message."

The message hasn't resonated with Emy, who was raised in Orlando, Fla., but spent 20 months in a detention center even though she had no criminal record. She traded her Baby Phat clothes for a gray uniform and window-shopping at the mall for a law library behind razor wire.

Her only crime? Her parents, who feared her father's political affiliations endangered the family, brought her and two brothers to the United States from Bangladesh when she was 5, according to court documents.

She doesn't speak Bangla and never imagined a future without college. No one in her family realized her father's work certificate from the Labor Department didn't equate to legal immigration status.

Family members were rounded up in July 2007, treated as fugitives on a dated but active deportation order.

Her parents were deported first. Emy languished in custody while continuing her fight to stay.

But because the asylum application had been filed on behalf of the entire family, only the parents got a hearing. Emy never saw a judge, according to Emy and her attorney.

"Justice is not being served," she said from a prison pay phone.

In January, a federal appeals court denied her petition to stay in the U.S. Fearing she'd celebrate another birthday behind bars, Emy agreed to be deported and left the country Feb. 18.

Immigration law "is the only United States law where we punish the children for the actions of their parents," said Emy's attorney, Petia Vimitrova Knowles.

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Immigration violations are considered civil, something akin to a moving violation in a car, so the government can imprison immigrants without many of the rights criminals receive: No court-appointed attorney for indigent defendants, no standard habeas corpus, no protection from double jeopardy, no guarantee of a speedy trial.

"You're locking up people without even a hearing," said Rabinovitz. "That, to me, is the outrage: basic due process. Since when do we allow the government to lock up people without even giving them a bond hearing?"

Most immigrants are navigating a complex legal system without an attorney. Fifty-eight percent went through immigration proceedings without an attorney in fiscal year 2007, according to the Executive Office for Immigration Review, a branch of the U.S. Justice Department.

Those who do have an attorney have little recourse if that lawyer turns out to be incompetent. In one of his last acts as Bush administration attorney general, Michael Mukasey reversed years of precedent by ruling that immigrants, unlike criminal defendants, cannot appeal on the grounds of incompetent counsel.

The Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank that includes former officials from Republican and Democratic administrations, recently issued a study calling for numerous changes in the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees ICE, including allowing better access to legal counsel for incarcerated immigrants.

"People can be lost in that vortex, and they can be lost for years," said Donald Kerwin, who wrote the report with former INS Director Doris Meissner. "It's the reason why legal counsel is so crucial."

But, ICE officials often argue, immigrants largely hold the keys to their own freedom. If they simply agree to return to their home country, they can go, Bassett said.

"They're making a choice (that) they're going to appeal, which is their right," she said.

But even giving up, or winning a claim, doesn't always spell freedom because ICE acts as police officer, arraignment judge, jailer and prosecutor. It has sole jurisdiction over when a detained immigrant is sent back after a deportation order is issued, and can continue to hold immigrants while it appeals a decision that didn't go its way.

In 2007, an immigration judge ruled that Samuel Kambo, a former energy minister of Sierra Leone who had a master's degree and no criminal history, should be granted permanent residency after being detained for eight months. But ICE continued to hold him for four more months while it appealed. Kambo was released only after his lawyer went to federal court and made a successful constitutional challenge.

In another telling case, Ahmad Al-Shrmany, a 34-year-old Iraqi with no appeal pending, begged for a year to be deported and yet remained in detention. He wanted to be allowed to go to his native Iraq or his adopted Canada, where he had been granted asylum a decade ago. A lawyer filed a habeas corpus petition in December that went unanswered.

"Just deport me. That's your job," he said in a late January interview with the AP that ICE officials tried to block minutes before it was scheduled at a Houston lockup.

Less than a week after the interview, Al-Shrmany was deported to Canada, said his lawyer, Afreen Ahmed. Bassett said later the timing of the deportation was "completely coincidental."

In custody, Al-Shrmany had grown distraught.

"In Iraq, you can get killed one time. Here, this is not the life I was wishing for," he said from a cinderblock meeting room.

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Immigrant advocates say ICE prefers incarceration for non-criminal immigrants, even though alternatives are available, for one major reason: to strong-arm people.

"When you're there for weeks and weeks or months or months, your determination to fight your charges is reduced," said Judy Green, a policy analyst with Justice Strategies, a nonpartisan think tank on incarceration issues. The goal is "to keep intense pressure on detainees to agree to removal and not to fight on whatever grounds they have for relief."

The Rev. Raymond Soeoth, a Pentecostal minister from Indonesia who had never been imprisoned, said his lengthy incarceration _ and the uncertainty of how long it would last _ wore on him as he fought his immigration case and pursued a lawsuit accusing ICE officials of forcibly drugging him and other detainees.

"We just wait. We cannot do anything," said Soeoth, who was released after more than two years, given a special visa as part of the government's settlement of the drugging lawsuit.

ICE officials argue that immigrants won't show up to hearings, or leave when ordered out, unless they're imprisoned. About a third of released immigrants with no electronic monitoring failed to show up to immigration court proceedings in fiscal year 2007, according to the Executive Office of Immigration Review.

Bassett said the failure-to-appear rate for actual deportation jumps to 95 to 97 percent with no electronic monitoring, the main reason groups like FAIR push for more use of detention.

Still, electronic monitoring has proven effective. ICE's intensive supervision program _ which includes electronic monitoring, curfews and other probation-like provisions _ has a 99 percent appearance rate at immigration hearings and 95 percent at final order hearings, according to ICE's fact sheets. The agency says 94 percent of those allowed to remain on electronic monitoring after they've been ordered deported leave when their appeals are exhausted.

The Migration Policy Institute says the agency should use electronic monitors to replace detention of immigrants without criminal records or even those with only nonviolent records who don't pose a risk to the community.

"What you've done is you've eliminated any fear of flight. The whole rationale for detention is to keep people from absconding, and in rare cases, protect the public," Kerwin said. "Alternatives can allow you to use detention space more judiciously."

Currently, an average of 2,700 immigrants per day are on electronic monitoring in "alternative to detention" programs budgeted to accommodate 13,000 people this year.

Immigrant advocates complain the agency is using the monitors mostly to supervise people who previously would have been released on bond or on their own recognizance _ not to reduce the number of people incarcerated.

"They're not trying to reduce bed space. Their goal is to have everybody in some kind of custodial program," said Andrea Black, coordinator for the nonprofit Detention Watch Network.

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- banja I'm a Fan of banja 17 fans permalink
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Pres Obama, we need comprehensive immigration reform soon. The system is broken and needs to be fixed pronto. The immigrant bashing is truly sad, America is the land of immigrants. We need to stop the scapegoating and criminalizing of immigrants. Lets have a rational debate about this thorny divisive issue, the Dobbs crowd should be stopped from driving the agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 03/16/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 74 fans permalink

come in legally and you have no problems

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 03/18/2009
- lowgear I'm a Fan of lowgear 6 fans permalink
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"Most Immigrants In Detention Did Not Have Criminal Record"

and your point is?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 03/16/2009
- yoshi99 I'm a Fan of yoshi99 4 fans permalink
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Well, the point is that most don't have a criminal record. Most of the people screeching about the evil of illegal immigrants claim they are responsible for upticks in criminal activity (aside from the immigration offenses themselves), despite a glaring lack of evidence to support that fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 03/16/2009
- lowgear I'm a Fan of lowgear 6 fans permalink
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OK, no criminal record

THEN

throw them out of the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 03/16/2009
- Avanti2 I'm a Fan of Avanti2 7 fans permalink

Yoshi,

Illegal imigrants not responsible for a rise in criminal activity?

Please take your blinders off and ask for the figures from your local police department. Don't tell that to folks living in and around Phonex, AZ, Miami,FL or Orlando, FL.

Oh, don't say that to the parents of Sandra Levy (Former Rep. Gary Condit's Staffer)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 03/16/2009
- mg moore I'm a Fan of mg moore 4 fans permalink

Who cares?

If you don't have permission to be here then don't come.

If you come here illegally and and get caught then don't whine about it.

If your country sucks then get a pair and fight to change it. Quit asking the US for help.

I want prisons to be unpleasant places. It makes people tend to act in a way that does not get them returned to one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 03/16/2009
- yoshi99 I'm a Fan of yoshi99 4 fans permalink
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Um, yeah ... I don't think that someone being here illegally justifies us locking them up without a trial or charges for years on end. It's that human rights thing we're so big on here. Your argument would probably sell well in China, though ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 03/16/2009
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No one wants to be mean to poor people, most Illegal Immigrants are here for work.
No nation can survive if it doesnt control its borders and immigration.
History is full of examples.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 03/16/2009

Not persuaded. The author is using a series of vague anecdotes to illustrate his argument, and a lot of details are missing. Personal experience tells me there's more to this story than we can see in this article.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 03/16/2009

Unless these people have actually harmed other people there is no justification for this treatment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 03/16/2009
- yoshi99 I'm a Fan of yoshi99 4 fans permalink
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And even then, it's criminal charges, trial and punishment if guilty that's in order. This unending detention is pointless, a waste of money, and generally beneath the moral high ground America should be taking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 03/16/2009
- bmonaghan I'm a Fan of bmonaghan 6 fans permalink
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What's your experience? Listening to Lou Dobbs and Rush?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 03/16/2009

"Immigration lawyers note that substantial numbers of detainees, from 177 countries in the data provided, are not illegal immigrants at all. Many of the longest-term non-criminal detainees are asylum seekers fighting to stay here because they fear being killed in their home country. Others are longtime residents who may be eligible to stay under other criteria, or whose applications for permanent residency were lost or mishandled, the lawyers say."

I'd like somebody to rationally explain to me how this is ethically and morally justifiable. Please. I'm quite curious.

What's ironic to me is that most conservative Republicans who support this kind of thing also profess to be "Christians". I'm sure the J-Man loves people incarcerating their fellow human beings and ruining their lives for such trivialities, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 AM on 03/16/2009
- darker I'm a Fan of darker 42 fans permalink

"America's detention system for immigrants has mushroomed in the last decade, a costly building boom ".
A COSTLY BUILDING BOOM is the whole point!
PROFITEERING for private companies in construction and running detention prisons.

IT'S ABOUT STEALING TAXPAYER MONEY by the
usual CORRUPT REPUBLICAN PRIVATIZATION MONGERS.
They will make up ANY EXCUSE to blow your hard-earned tax money while
blaming anybody they can finger.

REPUBLICANS ARE DESPICABLE DIRT BAGS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 AM on 03/16/2009
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One thing that this story is missing is that prisons have no incentive to release these inmates.

They are getting paid $141/ day/ person to warehouse these people and because they don't have to provide them w/ lawyers or set trial dates there is no one big enough to protest.

The emphasis should turn towards the Sheriffs that are making money off of the warehousing of these people at the expense of federal funds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 03/16/2009
- Prakosh I'm a Fan of Prakosh 207 fans permalink
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And most of these people are being held in privately run prisons in Texas. There is big money in holding onto these people forever! And we are paying for all of this. What a great and rewarding use of funds. Let's lock up about 100,000 more people. We have become worse than Russia or China. Our Gulags are overflowing and no longer state run. It's no wonder we have the largest prison population in the world. How much longer will we be able to pay for this insanity???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 AM on 03/16/2009
- wilray I'm a Fan of wilray 85 fans permalink
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Having a sense of history, I can appreciate the irony regarding Mexican aliens in America. At one point much of the America west was a part of Mexico, from present day Texas all the way north to Wyoming and west to California. Americans moved into the Texas area of Mexico and squatted. At a point they asked for help from the U. S. government to protect them from the Mexicans. The Texas revolution wasn't a civil war. It was a war of Americans wresting territory from Mexico. After the revolution, the independent Republic of Texas was formed. The Republic lasted for ten years, from 1836 to 1846, after which time they joined the United States.
Similar land grabs forced Mexico to cede at least half of their territory to the United States. At one point Mexico was forced to surrender half of their remaining territory to the U. S. or have it wholly annexed. The irony is had they been swallowed whole there wouldn't be an issue of Mexican aliens. They would be citizens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 03/16/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 74 fans permalink

but they were not annexed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 03/16/2009

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

Boy, you grow up with this rosy vision of America, your home and the country you love, a nation of immigrants, a refuge and a haven for the oppressed. It's disillusioning and embarrassing to learn that not only do we not welcome people to our wonderful country, we strip them of their very humanity for having the audacity to dream of becoming one of us. It's even more disillusioning to learn that so many people who are not part of the official bureaucracy that is pursuing and improperly imprisoning these people, actually agree with such venom that it should be done. What happened to the America of my childhood? Are Americans really that ungracious? Do you ever listen to yourselves, read or hear the lack of common decency in your abuse of these people? I would hate to be a family member of any of you, I'm sure that no fault, no matter how miniscule, is allowed to escape without public excoriation and humiliation. It's one thing to enforce rules, it's another thing altogether to do it with such bitter ill-will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 03/16/2009

Let me amend this to say that I wrote it before reading many of the comments here, that do not display the ungenerous spirit that I am talking about. It's good to know that there are others who share my view.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 03/16/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 74 fans permalink

come legally i will openly welcome you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 03/16/2009
- Warmglobe I'm a Fan of Warmglobe 9 fans permalink

Perhaps you don't understand what the term illegal means. These people and those who whine for them just don't get it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 AM on 03/16/2009

1. You didn't read this article.

2. Legality and morality aren't the same thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 03/16/2009
- salamfall I'm a Fan of salamfall 18 fans permalink
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I dont know which part of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is illegal!,
wanting to seek better opportunities, where the opportunities are is a noble cause, the immigration System in the USA has to be fixed!, and the USCIS rules should not be applied with a cookie cutter approach every case is unique!.

Repubs are ProLIFE only if it's american lives, every human being deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, I am not advocating open borders, I am advocating Humanity, get rid of the incentives, close the border and loopholes, and deal humanely with those who are already here and have been working their behind off and have made the US their homes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 03/16/2009
- dcjdjay I'm a Fan of dcjdjay 23 fans permalink

The INS has turned into some Kafkaesque institution. Having faced its absurdities myself, I can attest toa that fact. Its policies make no sense, it discriminates against those who seek to enter here legally. Even worse, it discriminates against the children of those who came here illegally, but who know no other country or culture other than the United States. How absurd is it to deport an Indian scientist in between visa assignments or a Colombian 18 year old who has been here since he was an infant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 03/16/2009
- mikesw I'm a Fan of mikesw 41 fans permalink

Or how bout this...a European widow of a late NASA scientist. He dies and she's supposed to leave to a country she hasn't lived in for over 20 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 03/16/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 74 fans permalink

in 20 years she should have become a citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 03/16/2009
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I have quite a few freinds who sometimes cross the he border from Mexico when they need to earn some real money, to buy a car or some other big purchase.

They never intend to remain in the US, and the jobs they took were always of the fruit picking or manual labor kind. When they have earned what they need, they go back to Mexico. Back to their families and an easier, less stressful life.

But with the recession, and the threat of being locked up, more and more are stopping doing it.

It's Americas loss really. American can pretend that in a recession, American people will resort to plucking chickens or picking berries to make ends meet. But they won't. They've always relied on illegal immigrants to do these jobs... they just didn't realize it until Lou Dobbs started shouting about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 03/16/2009
- AKJM I'm a Fan of AKJM 20 fans permalink
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Rubbish. I've picked c antelope, cut grapes and hoed till my back howled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 03/16/2009
- mudshark12 I'm a Fan of mudshark12 5 fans permalink

What a retarded draconian institution ICE has tuned into! This whole issue and ICE needs to be reformed as it's not working.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 74 fans permalink

i agree .......the ejections need to be faster

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 03/16/2009
- hidenout I'm a Fan of hidenout 9 fans permalink

Really, how does one support illegal immigration? I mean, that's just something I'll never understand.

You can argue work visas need to be made easier to obtain, or becoming a citizen should somehow be made easier, or whatever.

But to argue ICE should reformed because they arrest people who are in this country illegally, makes no sense. Who educated these people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 03/16/2009
- mikesw I'm a Fan of mikesw 41 fans permalink

This is what happens when dumbed-down politics and US bureaucracy collide. The ICE needs serious reform. No impartial observer can argue otherwise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 03/16/2009
- hjo4 I'm a Fan of hjo4 30 fans permalink

Why are illegal aliens being confused with immigrants. The difference is that immigrants respect and obey the laws of America, they also understand that to immigrate here is a privilege not a right. Those who enter America illegally do so willingly and knowingly. They circumvent our immigration laws to enter America, then demand we create laws to protect and condone their illegal behavior.Those who plot and plan to enter America illegally have no place here. They should use that energy to immigrate into America legally and lawfully as the majority of immigrants manage to do. That is not to much to ask of those who wish to immigrate here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 03/15/2009

I agree 100% with the cartoon at this link: Native Americans are the true real Americans. The rest of us are the invaders. Contrary to what wdw505 listed earlier, that this is a "warring planet" and that the natives lost the war fair and square, natives all across North, Central and South America were not only lied to and massacred, they were decimated through disease brought by the Europeans. Read up on the shameful Trail of Tears.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 03/16/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 74 fans permalink

well said

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 03/15/2009
- mikesw I'm a Fan of mikesw 41 fans permalink

After reading your post I doubt you actually read the article.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 03/16/2009
- msjimmied I'm a Fan of msjimmied 53 fans permalink
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Sometimes when people read these articles, they get confused with legal immigrants. and illegal immigrants. It really does not matter. The laws are equally draconian. Legal immigrants are here as permanent residents, or fall under different categories, but they are here after exhaustive measures to ascertain that they are fit. With the laws that were passed in 1996 that made most infractions of the law a deportable offense, even those that have been here for decades with one charge against their record are subject to removal. This law is retroactive, meaning it doesn't matter when that particular episode happened. So someone who has been here decades, and shoplifted as a youngster for a lark, is subject to being removed. It does not matter if you have your whole life and family here, and this amounts to exile from everything you love or know. Being American is more than a document, it is being part of the fabric. What we have here is the immigration gulag. This is not our way.

And who is dining off this misery? Prisons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 03/15/2009
- Mikeeee I'm a Fan of Mikeeee 74 fans permalink

Well said indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 74 fans permalink

yes it is our way........if you do not like it, go home

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 03/16/2009
- ktal I'm a Fan of ktal permalink

Maybe you should go home. And stay there until you're ready to treat other people like they're... people. I'm American born and bred, with degrees in American Studies, and I say that the American way is to welcome immigrants to our shores. Certainly no white person in America has the right to be railing against illegal immigrants. Most of our ancestors were refugees or criminals themselves. I'm really sick of this anti-immigrant attitude. It's simply another excuse for racism. Get over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 03/16/2009
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