Saudi Women Must Still Buy Their Bras And Undies From Men

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GlobalPost   |  Caryle Murphy   |   March 16, 2009 04:51 PM

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RIYADH -- Reem Asaad finds it annoying to buy her bras and panties from a man. But she doesn't have much choice in the matter.

Although Saudi Arabia has the strictest gender segregation in the world, only men are hired as sales staff in most retail stores.

"We have men selling g-strings in stores to women which doesn't happen anywhere in the world," said Asaad.

But the 37-year-old professor of finance and banking is even more frustrated that a three-year-old regulation permitting female sales clerks has not been implemented.

For now, that regulation is languishing in the proverbial bureaucratic bottom drawer, a vivid example of the barriers to women in the workplace put in place by an ultraconservative religious establishment opposed to women working outside the home.

Asaad has launched what she calls "a consumer protection campaign" to force Saudi retailers to follow the regulation, but is facing an uphill battle.

"The religious establishment is against the empowerment of women, period," adds Asaad. "They would like to limit them from taking care of their own finances."

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The lingerie saga began in 2006 with regulation #120 from the Ministry of Labor stating that only female sales clerks should be employed in stores selling women's products.

The ministry thought they could kill three birds with one stone. The change would help the ministry's efforts to provide jobs for Saudi women. It would give women a more comfortable consumer experience. And since women would be selling to women, it would reduce the "mingling" of genders that religious leaders reject.

But things are not always that easy in Saudi Arabia and the fine print of the regulation was telling: In order to overcome the concerns of conservative religious folk, the regulation required physical restrictions at stores designed to shield the presence of women staff from the shopping public.

For example, lingerie stores with female clerks had to have partitions around them so men could not see inside. They had to be locked from the inside. And men, who now accompany their wives or sisters into lingerie stores, would not be allowed to enter.

For retailers, the restrictions were profit-killers.

Not only would partitions be costly to build, but also they would defeat the purpose of having windows: to entice shoppers into stores.

A few stores, mostly in the seaport town of Jeddah, have put up the required physical barriers and hired women. But the vast majority have not.

"It's not implementable," said Basmah Al Omair, executive director of the Khadijah Bint Khuwailid Businesswomen Center in Jeddah. "The private sector doesn't have a problem hiring females. They just have a problem implementing the law as it exists. What we are asking for is that the doors be open, that men and women can come in as a family, and that windows not be obstructed."

The private sector, she added, "cares about profit and at the end of the day if you're going to lose profit by hiring female staff, you're not going to do it."

The new regulation does not promote the mixing of sexes, as some critics suggest, said Al Omair, adding: "We've had men selling to women for 30 years and we haven't considered that mixing."

Sheikh Ibrahim al-Gaith, former head of the religious police, formally known as the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, told Agence France-Presse in December that he does not oppose women sales personnel in lingerie stores.

But, he added, stores employing women had to be in malls restricted only to women.

"We don't reject the work of the women in lingerie stores if they are not next to men's stores," Gaith said.

Some Saudi women buy their lingerie online or when they go abroad. It's not an easy situation for male sales staff either.

One 21-year-old Saudi man who works in a lingerie chain called "Women's Secret" is too embarrassed to tell his friends.

"I swear before I took this job, I never even went into these stores with my sisters and family because I was too embarrassed and now I work in one," he said.

"I told my buddies I am still unemployed and those of them who know I work think I work in a regular store," he added. "I can't allow anyone to see me in this store, it's too embarrassing. I'd rather they think I'm unemployed."

Salahuddin Younus, who works in the lingerie section of Debenhems, a large department store, said that after a year and a half, he has gotten used to dealing with customers, most of whom cover themselves head to toe, including their faces.

"Some customers say, 'My breast is going down. I need to push up,'" said the salesman, who is from Bangladesh, grabbing a push-up bra from a rack.

Asaad began her campaign in July 2008 with a Facebook group. And in recent weeks, she's taken it a step further by writing to leading retailers threatening to organize a boycott of their stores.

"It's their job to follow the rules," said Asaad, who lives in Jeddah and has an MBA from Boston's Northeastern University. "I'm going to help in causing financial losses because I know this is the one thing that hurts. We are consumers and we have rights."

Female columnist Abeer Mishkhas suggests that Asaad faces a huge obstacle. Her campaign "might end without a result, as she is not fighting a concrete law or body," Mishkas wrote in the Arab News, a daily. "She and her supporters are up against a way of thinking that insists that women stay at home."

Asaad is well aware of the challenges she faces, but for her the campaign is not just about getting female sales clerks in lingerie stores.

"What matters is that we are rising awareness that women can make things happen when they decide to take charge of their affairs," she said. "That is the essence of this campaign."

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This is yet just another example of how "organized" religion is worthless. The key word here is organized. Stupid dogma created by some human and not god.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 03/28/2009

For all the problems we are facing in the USA I am thankful every day to be born here. The women born and raised in this hell, would they leave if they could?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 03/18/2009
- fedupinfla I'm a Fan of fedupinfla 46 fans permalink
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For all the bullsh!t that happens in this country, there's not a day that goes by that I'm not grateful I was born here and not in a country like that....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 AM on 03/18/2009
- RachelMc I'm a Fan of RachelMc 68 fans permalink
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ditto

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 03/18/2009
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Double Ditto

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 03/18/2009

Let's keep buying SUVs, not using public transportation and sending even more money to places like this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 03/18/2009
- sunnybunny I'm a Fan of sunnybunny 15 fans permalink
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So, under the burkas, they are wearing g-strings and push up bras?? That's kind of interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 03/17/2009
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When I was in Jeddah I was amazed at the number of lingerie stores, but I had no idea that the clerks within were men. I wonder if I could get a job in one of them. Saudi women, safely at home behind high walls dress the same as western women and they can be quite as lovely.

On my last evening there I sat around with some Saudi guys in a house and watched Bay Watch, told dirty jokes, drank Johnnie Walker and puffed a joint before going to the airport for a jolt of security state repression. With money people can get out and be in Europe in a few hours where they live normally.

Saudi Arabia is totally weird.

Cheers,
Jack

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 03/17/2009

Somebody please get those people out of the dark ages!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 03/17/2009

Only they, themselves can do it. maybe next century.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 03/18/2009
- gratonite I'm a Fan of gratonite 7 fans permalink

yes, too bad their women aren't almost equal like they are here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 03/17/2009
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It just occurred to me that when they take those Burkha's off, they must look like racooons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 03/17/2009
- chronic I'm a Fan of chronic 71 fans permalink
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That society is sick sick sick. I feel sooooo sorry for the women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 03/17/2009
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 45 fans permalink
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So, it is ok to wear black sheets, but you're up s.h.i.t. creek it you wear a white one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 03/17/2009
- SamKnause I'm a Fan of SamKnause 70 fans permalink

Religion will be the ruination of this world. This is so bizarre I can't even wrap my brain around it. And another article today Pope against condoms, they don't stop aids they cause more aids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 03/17/2009
- filo I'm a Fan of filo 68 fans permalink
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Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 03/17/2009
- underdog I'm a Fan of underdog 12 fans permalink

Its a good thing we live in a country
where we drive 5 times more
in cars that get 1/3 the mpg's
to the gargantuan grocery store
to buy water in plastic bottles
and food shipped in from the other side of the planet
using 10 times more oil per capita
than other civilized countries
so we don't have to put up with
these barbaric people.
How DO they get their money to build their modern cities and finance their Wahibist Jihads?
snark

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 03/17/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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we never should have given them cash in the first place ... just some beautiful camels.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 03/17/2009

I am frankly shocked that the men let them have eye holes in those large black pieces of material they wear, much less undergarments. I'll bet little girls there, instead of wanting to get older, pray they stay little forever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 03/17/2009
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 45 fans permalink
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I bet they smell real nice after a hot day in the sun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 03/17/2009
- MAragon I'm a Fan of MAragon 15 fans permalink
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I think the only time I even remotely envied a woman dressed so thoroughly was when the temperature was well below freezing! Back to the article, as fussy as they are about the separation between the sexes, you'd think they'd let women run the lingerie shops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 03/17/2009
- TheNuff I'm a Fan of TheNuff 6 fans permalink

I would go braless and comando in protest!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 03/17/2009
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 45 fans permalink
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I already go braless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 03/17/2009
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I have always been bra-less myself!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 03/18/2009
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