Surveys: Americans Grip To Individualism In Economic Storm

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First Posted: 03-17-09 07:17 AM   |   Updated: 04-17-09 05:12 AM

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In the face of a recession that has destroyed billions in family savings and home values, Americans remain convinced that personal initiative and hard work are the key to big rewards, and they continue to repudiate the idea of government intervention to alleviate economic inequality, according to two Pew-sponsored reports.

Not only do voters continue to be convinced, by large majorities, that they, and not government or big corporations, control their own destinies in the midst of the current recession, but they do so despite more long-term evidence suggesting that there is less class mobility in the United States than in most Northern European countries, or in Canada, and that U.S. wages have not kept up with productivity gains for the past three decades.

This conviction underpins the long-standing American hostility to a full-fledged welfare state -- along the lines of many European counties -- and underpins the lack of a strong socialist tradition in the US. It also shapes the debate over policies to deal with the current recession, including the Obama administration's rejection of bank nationalization.

A survey of 2119 respondents conducted by the Democratic firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research and the Republican firm Public Opinion Strategies for the Pew Economic Mobility Project asked: "Currently the country is in a recession. Do you believe it is still possible for people to improve their economic standing?"

Eighty percent answered "yes," including 56 percent answering "strongly" in the affirmative. Only 16 percent said "no."

African Americans, Hispanics and persons under 40 were even more affirmative than the public as a whole, with "yes" to "no" ratios respectively 83-15, 86-11, and 85-13.

A report on the findings of the survey, produced by the two polling firms, declared: "In the midst of an historic economic crisis, Americans insist that, despite the recession, it is still possible for people to improve their economic standing, and most believe that they control their economic destiny. Americans believe ambition, hard work and education primarily drive mobility, rather than outside forces like the current state of the economy."

The continuing strength of what amounts to an American 'ethos' -- a dimension of what some scholars call 'American Exceptionalism' -- was evident in the following conclusions:

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"Americans care more about opportunity than inequality and are far more concerned about the ability of lower-income Americans to move up the income ladder than about the persistence of upper-income Americans at the top. By a 71 to 21 percent margin, Americans believe it is more important to give people a fair chance to succeed than it is to reduce inequality in this country. Each demographic subgroup, including those at the lowest end of the economic spectrum, concurs with the majority on this issue."

What makes these findings particularly striking is the evidence that -- according to a second study, "Economic Mobility: Is the American Dream Alive and Well?," by Isabel Sawhill of the Brookings Institution and John E. Morton of the Pew Charitable Trusts -- the "American Dream" is not working as effectively as it has in the past.

According to the Brookings/Pew report, the pay-off for hard work has been diminishing. In the three decades after WWII, workers' wages rose almost exactly in proportion to productivity gains. For the past three decades, however, wage increases have fallen significantly behind productivity gains. The following Pew chart shows this spread beginning in the late 1970s and steadily growing over time.

Supporters of the theory that America is an 'exceptional' nation argue that the United States is different from other countries because a) it does not grapple with a legacy of rigid social stratification, as many other countries with formerly feudal or caste systems do; and b) that Americans' strong historic opposition to 'collectivist' forms of social intervention and a relatively greater preference for 'individualism' have led to higher levels of economic mobility than are found elsewhere.

The findings of the Pew/Brookings study, however, dispute this.

What this chart shows is that there is less mobility in the U.S. than in France, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Finland, Norway and Denmark (England has lower levels of social mobility than the U.S.); that sons are more likely to earn close to what their fathers made in the United States (after adjusting for inflation) than in most of the other developed countries cited in the study.

Despite these trends, the 'individualistic' convictions of Americans remain strong, and are powerful factors in policy decisions.

President Obama, in rejecting nationalization of banks as a way to deal with collapsing financial institutions cited the alien character of such actions to this country.

Acknowledging that Sweden had successfully nationalized banks during an earlier financial crisis, Obama noted that that not only are there vastly more banks in the U.S. than in Sweden, but "we also have different traditions in this country. Obviously, Sweden has a different set of cultures in terms of how the government relates to markets and America's different. And we want to retain a strong sense of private capital fulfilling the core -- core investment needs of this country. And so, what we've tried to do is to apply some of the tough love that's going to be necessary, but do it in a way that's also recognizing we've got big private capital markets and ultimately that's going to be the key to getting credit flowing again."

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In practice, the public may be more ambivalent about activist government, and perhaps even about bank nationalization. Rasmussen Reports conducted a survey of 1,000 adults on February 3 and 4, 2009, putting the questions of nationalization in extreme terms, "Should the Government take over our banking system and have one centralized government bank?" Not very surprisingly, some 75 percent of respondents said no, only 9 percent said yes, with the remainder either declining to answer or suggesting another alternative.

A month later, Newsweek asked 1,203 adults a parallel, but much more moderate, version of the nationalization question: "Temporary nationalization is another way for the federal government to deal with large banks in danger of failing. This is where the government takes over a failing bank, cleans its balance sheets, and then quickly sells it off. In general, which do YOU think is the better way to deal with failing banks?" Again, not very surprisingly, the response was 56 percent for "nationalization where the government takes temporary control" and 29 percent for "government financial aid without any government control of the bank."

On a broader -- and perhaps most illuminating -- scale, Newsweek asked: "In general, government grows bigger as it provides more services. If you had to choose, would you rather have a smaller government providing less services, or a bigger government providing more services?"

Republicans preferred smaller government by a 67-24 margin; Democrats were the mirror opposite, choosing bigger government by better than two to one, 65-25; independents slightly favored smaller government, 45-42.

Reflecting the nation's deep ambivalence on this issue, when all the numbers are added together, the respondents split right down the middle, 44 to 44.

In the face of a recession that has destroyed billions in family savings and home values, Americans remain convinced that personal initiative and hard work are the key to big rewards, and they continu...
In the face of a recession that has destroyed billions in family savings and home values, Americans remain convinced that personal initiative and hard work are the key to big rewards, and they continu...
 
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I recall my grandparents talking about how, during the Great Depression, they would prepare food for homeless folks and serve it to them on their porch. My grandparents didn't have much, but my grandfather was lucky to work 3 or 4 days per week. I know there are many many decent people in the U.S., but I fear our notion of society is broken. Clinging to "individualism" and the false dichotomy that says broad social welfare is at odds with "hard work" will bring us down. We can do both -- we can be industrious, hard-working people AND care about and support our neighbors in hard times. But we'll never do this if we continue to buy the rhetoric of "me first" and worship at the altar of money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 03/18/2009
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 66 fans permalink

There Use To Be A TV Show In the 50's !!
Who Do You Trust !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 03/18/2009
- LaurieLee I'm a Fan of LaurieLee 2 fans permalink

Americans may say those things, but it seems to me that people still want to socialize risk and costs, when it is in their personal interest. I have friends who were staunch Republicans, claim to be "fiscal Conservatives", who spent money as fast as it was coming in (as investment bankers and money managers), who decry 'Obama becoming a socialist' but who are applying for financial aid for their kids' private school tuition now that there's little money coming in and see no hypocracy in that. As long as it's beneficial to them, it's OK, otherwise it's 'socialism'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 03/18/2009
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The polls do not shock me at all. America sometimes says they want change, but they are slow to change. They love to stay with what they are familiar with, what they were spoon fed all these years about Socialism is bad, Capitalism is the good. This is the same country that once was against Civil Rights and Women Suffrage.

I can't understand how Americans are still ignorant about what socialism is. If they hate socialism so much, why have the police and fire department? Why have 911 line and public schools? Why have the post office?

Americans shouldn't be mad about how Madoff, Merrill Lynch, Bear Stern, Lehman Brothers, AIG ran their businesses. American shouldn't be mad, because they continue to believe capitalism is good for them. They continue to believe the Free Market is good for them.

America is a walking contradiction; says one thing, does another. This country needs to reevaluate the free market, capitalist system and come up with something new. If America doesn't change, Americans will continue to get robbed blindly by the likes of adoff, Merrill Lynch, Bear Stern, Lehman Brothers, AIG in the future. This is not the first time it's happened. Remember Enron and WorldCom people? Remember these companies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 03/17/2009

WORD

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 03/18/2009
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I don't believe anything coming from corporations, government or the MSM

they have all lied too many times

I believe trust in any of these entities is at an all time low

and think most would agree, yes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 03/17/2009
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wel..hmmm.­.let's see. You included about everybody that is employed. Most of us work for corporations or the government (especially now that we have llc's)

But your point is made that regulation and accountibility is the movement that the citzens should insist on. We do need tot ake back control.

I gave Glaockman a hard time; but he has some valid point about INDIVIDUAL freedoms; we do need less interference in our personal lives UNLESS we ask for help.

And corps (that WE make rich) need to be regulated for the common good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 03/17/2009
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I think you make my point.

Dishonest and unethical Corporations not being regulated, which is the duty of the Congress and the responsibility of the MSM report.

Who do you trust?
better yet, who can you trust?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 03/17/2009
- cmvortex I'm a Fan of cmvortex 6 fans permalink

These poll results are just plain depressing. It's these kinds of insights into our stagnant dogmatism that reigns in our country, a dogma that discards beneficial facts in favor of a less favorable existence, that makes we just want to punt and move to one of the higher mobility countries listed in the above figures. Will we ever get that the most successful societies are those that use an optimal blend of socialism and capitalism?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 03/17/2009

Hmn, you think that Social Darwinism is stagnant? And the Golden Rule, the one that says treat thy neighbor as thyself seems missing. I think we need a good dose of morality, religion as opposed to religiosit­y...... or maybe just common sense. Capitalism run wild is as destructive as Fascism... I feel amazingly depressed reading this article. Oligarchs rule. I would rather have New Rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 03/17/2009
- norgotoad I'm a Fan of norgotoad 7 fans permalink

On the website http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/THE_GREAT_DEPRESSION.htm, it was documented by the author of the website: "In the summer of 1933, shortly after Roosevelt's "First 100 Days," America's richest businessmen were in a panic. It was clear that Roosevelt intended to conduct a massive redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor. Roosevelt had to be stopped at all costs.The answer was a military coup. It was to be secretly financed and organized by leading officers of the Morgan and Du Pont empires. This included some of America's richest and most famous names of the time."

Now that the media have been controlled by a handful of right wing conservatives, and after over 20 years of Reaganist educational degeneration, the military coup will no longer be necessary. Stupidity alone will do. The only thing "exceptional" about American Exceptionalism is the wealth of ignorance and idiocy. Well, at least we do have some wealth in this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 03/17/2009

this is what I was thinking..­.given the sorry state of the mainstream media and the preponderance of right wing talk radio, the withering progressive radio (being replaced with sports stations), why are we polling americans for their opinion? they are underinformed and if they still do not understand the class warfare being carried out upon the lower classes and if they still embrace the right wing talking point about an "american way" why would we expect anything but a depressing response to this global economic 911. let us stop calling it a tsunami since we know it was manipulated and more like an attack. americans better wake the f$@# up...wake up from our brain washing telling us "we are capitalists we are capitalist­s"...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 03/18/2009
- Strywever I'm a Fan of Strywever 30 fans permalink

Most Americans still believe in a man who lives in the sky and a talking snake, too. Magical thinking . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 03/17/2009
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Especially the the ones talking of communicating with him inthe parking lot of the Trader Joe's liquor store, (see below)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 03/17/2009
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I don't know...I read the other day that evangelism is diminishing based on polls and was pretty happy about that until I overheard a couple of crack-brain housewives talking about petitioning the lord as they stood in the parking lot at Trader Joe's as I made a wine run. People in our country are still asleep. Wake up sleepy heads, the water is boiling.

Cheers,
Jack

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 03/17/2009
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Oh my, oh my, oh my. Not at all suprising. Unfortunate, but not at all surprising. This gets to the core of our opportunity as a nation. The Drive Towards Mediocrity sustains the findings in the above data. We are consumer/service economy, fully infected with MDC (Media-Driven Consumerce­lebreality­), which creates a mindset that eschews education as the core of innovation and prosperity. The movement for critical cognition (spreading critical thinking skills), can and will effectively combat this malady, and shift our culture. Education would proclude people from doing things like ... petitioning the Lord. Zeesh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 03/17/2009
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co-sign!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 03/17/2009
- Liberal2 I'm a Fan of Liberal2 39 fans permalink

This genetic stupidity is why rethugs will retake Congress in 2010 and the White House in 2012.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 03/17/2009
- DosGatos2 I'm a Fan of DosGatos2 24 fans permalink

None of this is actually news, but these facts are not widely known.

We are so pissed off about the AIG bonuses because most of us did not realize that management has syphoning off of the fruits of productivity increases for years; we assumed that these traders, bankers and people like Bernie Madoff actually earned their wealth. That American workers, who are among the most productive in the world, do not share equitably in productivity gains is simply galling. But for the financial crisis and the injection of taxpayer dollars into the system, the truth about how corporate profits get distributed in this country would have remained hidden.

Corporate America (who, don't forget, owns or controls most of the major news outlets in the country) has a vested interest in ensuring that Americans do not make the link between income inequality and social mobility either. But there can be no fair chance to succeed unless we reduce inequality.

If American workers understood what is in their best interest, we would already have national health care, there would be limited or no "at will" employment, there would be portable pensions and a comfortable retirement for everybody. But Americans have fewer benefits and rights than other workers in the developed world. Corporations want you to keep working very hard to make fewer and fewer at the top very wealthy. Anything else would be socialism, right?

I truly hope we wise up, once and for all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 03/17/2009
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This country needs to put into place some socialist options for the poor to insure its long term survival. If you are going to create a system where the poor can exist, you also have an obligation to help them, like it or not!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 03/17/2009
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I keep telling the "haves" that if they aren't careful, the "havenot's" are not going to be there to care for their children, wash theri cars, wait on them in restaurants, bake theri cakes, deliver theri liquor, and open their doors. Maybe not even there when they need a police officer or fireman. Or when their grass needs mowed or theri need in home nursing care.
Or their grocerie sscake dor their meat cut. We use up poepl and throw them away. Sad, sad, how we REALLY don't value human beings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 03/17/2009
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You would also think that the "haves" would be able to see that it's possible
for ANYBODY to join the ranks of the "have nots" pretty quickly at this point.

A few bad investments, an underwater home, a debilitating accident or illness and ANYBODY can lose it all in the blink of an eye. Nobody is too special or too rich these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 03/18/2009
- jalowe1957 I'm a Fan of jalowe1957 41 fans permalink
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When it comes to "rugged individualism," you have to rely on your smarts and moxie to get by, particularly when one is practically living hand to mouth.

That is how some managed to get by, even in the best of times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 03/17/2009
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Not surprised that the majority of Americans don't have a clue. We have some of the worst public educational systems in the world at this point.

The concept of individualism is nice in theory, but its practice has reduced the country to the level of disparity we are at now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 03/17/2009
- markinaz I'm a Fan of markinaz 7 fans permalink

Add to that the fact that many Americans are obese, couch potatos whose ever lowering sense of self-satisfaction never ceases to amaze and you arrive at the point of this article. Can't help but think that we as a society are the proverbial frogs in the pot being slowly boiled to death.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 03/17/2009
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I heard that analogy the other night and thought it very fitting, sadly, some of us frogs realized we were in the pot a long time ago...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 03/17/2009
- Tavi I'm a Fan of Tavi 16 fans permalink
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Thank you. Finally somebody states the obvious.

I have realized that, if Republicans want a return to the glory days of the "1950's," the Libertarians want a return to the freakin' "1850's." Their special brand of "individualism" is nothing more than a self-serving, narrow-minded, anti-social ideology; a sort of "Wild West" on steroids.

Give everybody guns, and let them shoot whoever disagrees. Yeah, that's progress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 03/17/2009
- zola77 I'm a Fan of zola77 29 fans permalink
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Fantastic response, Tavi! Im glad some people are cluing up to the reality that the libertarians/the lib party are NOT the saviours that some are touting them to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 03/17/2009
- glockman I'm a Fan of glockman 41 fans permalink
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Maybe you need to be instructed on how to live your life, I do not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 03/17/2009
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Yes, you do. If you are a LEO, you take orders all day long; either via the SOP or from command officers.

I am appaled at your arrogance as a public employee, I have had cops in my courtroom with your teflon perfect attitude; they didn't leave with the same attitude however.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 03/17/2009
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 401 fans permalink
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Other than the frequent 100 car pile-ups with massive fatalities, the unregulated "Free Road" is a great system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 03/17/2009
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