CNBC's Haines Fights Dem Rep. Sherman On AIG Bonuses (VIDEO)

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April 2, 2009 at 06:42 PM

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Owning these CNBC hacks: it's not just for cable TV comedians anymore! Via the folks at TPM, here's video of CNBC's Mark Haines, who just cannot imagine a universe in which Wall Street Titans aren't fabulously well-compensated for their Great Works, discussing restrictions on corporate bonuses and salaries. Haines ain't having it! How will Wall Street retain the best and the brightest if they aren't given fat paychecks? This is the same argument I've heard my wife make, time and again. Except she's talking about schools! Anyway, Sherman is more than a little incredulous, given the actual policy being advanced by the White House.

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HAINES: You and people who share your opinions seem to think, you know, let's hold salaries on Wall Street to $100,000. Do you have any idea what Wall Street would look like if you do that?


SHERMAN: Well, first of all, I wouldn't set the limit at $100,000.

HAINES: Well, whatever. $250[,000]. All the business would go -- all the business would go overseas, that's the bottom line.

SHERMAN: Obama's position is $500,000 plus unlimited restricted stock. That's where I'm at as well, although I was actually at a higher level before Obama's statement. But for you to assume that Wall Street is acting in the national interest flies in the face of recent reality.

Yeah, a half a million bucks is real skinflinty! How will capitalism survive? But let's rewind, and take a peek at a bit of the earlier exchange:

SHERMAN: We need receivership, and we need limits on salaries as well as bonuses.


HAINES: Well, receivership ... I think most people agree, that would have caused some systemic problems.

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SHERMAN: Most people on Wall Street agree. But most people on Main Street do not.

HAINES: And what do the people on Main Street know about running a financial system?

SHERMAN: What do AIG executives know about running a financial system? [crosstalk] They only know how to destroy one.

That's a pretty good burn. My response to Haines, however, would be to buy that man a copy of the newspaper! Specifically, the newspaper that ran this article by Steven Pearlstein, that finds someone on Main Street who knows about how to run a financial system!

Pearlstein tells the story of Citizens South Bank of Charlotte, North Carolina and its CEO, Kim Price. Price and his bank avoided wading into the subprime market, and stayed profitable. But since they were eligible to receive Federal bailout money, they applied and won themselves a modest slice of the TARP, to the tune of $20.5 million. As Pearlstein relates, Price then found an excellent way to use that money:
...that got Price to thinking: What if Citizens were to use its federal bailout money to offer below-market mortgage rates with no closing costs to consumers who would buy a house, or a house lot, from builders and developers who had borrowed money from Citizens?


Price asked some of his loan officers to check with the builders and developers, who not surprisingly were excited enough about the project to be willing to chip in some money to help cover a portion of the forgone closing costs. So last week, Citizens launched its marketing campaign for the $20.5 million program, in collaboration with its builder-developer customers, offering 30-year loans with an initial teaser rate of 3.5 percent for the first two years, rising to a fixed 5.5 percent rate (the current market rate) for the balance of the loan.

"As we see it, it's a win-win-win situation all round," Price explained to me. The builders and developers win by having a tool to help move their unsold inventory. The consumer wins by getting a cut-rate loan. And Citizens wins because it lowers the risk that it will have to write off even more of its commercial loans while taking a modest step to help stimulate the local economy. And, of course, the public relations bump isn't bad either.

By the way, Price's "total pay package last year was $456,146." I guess you can get a lick of goddamn sense at wholesale prices if you just shop around!

Owning these CNBC hacks: it's not just for cable TV comedians anymore! Via the folks at TPM, here's video of CNBC's Mark Haines, who just cannot imagine a universe in which Wall Street Titans aren't ...
Owning these CNBC hacks: it's not just for cable TV comedians anymore! Via the folks at TPM, here's video of CNBC's Mark Haines, who just cannot imagine a universe in which Wall Street Titans aren't ...
 
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- sueno I'm a Fan of sueno 14 fans permalink

CNBC's Mark Haines, like Santelli and Cramer, all live in a "twisted" bubble
and only care about the "game" that they are playing at everyone elses' expense.
Haines made the stupid statement of mentioning that Wall St. knows what they are doing,
boy, they must smoke a lot of "crack" down there (among other things)-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 03/23/2009
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NOT "1" Goldman/Big Bank Executive has been Fired, Fined, Investigated, or Prosecution for:

1. Manufacture/Sell of “Sure Fail” Mortgages or buy from a broker!
2. Make a “SURE FAIL” Derivative out of parts of a bunch of “SURE FAIL” Mortgages!
3. Buy AIG insurance: Bet Repeatedly and Massively that defective product will FAIL!
4. Wait and Collect the Insurance on the FAILURE!

Not only is this a form of “Generated Insider Trading” but it violates the Laws governing Defective Products.

DEFECTIVE PRODUCT - A product is unreasonably dangerous to the user, when it has a propensity for causing harm beyond that which would be contemplated by the ordinary user having knowledge of the product's use.

Product liability law governs the manufacturers and sellers for damages caused by dangerous products. The goal of laws are to help protect consumers from dangerous products, while holding manufacturers and sellers responsible for putting into the marketplace products that they knew or should have known were dangerous. Product liability extends to defects in real estate loans.

GROUNDS for Prosecution:

Product is dangerous when used as intended.

Manufacturer: required to make a product which is free from dangerous conditions.

Marketing Defects: A marketing defect involves such issues as inadequate warning labels or instructions, which, for example, prevent a user from recognizing a defect in the product, or from being aware of how to safely use or apply the product.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 AM on 03/23/2009
- roch20 I'm a Fan of roch20 32 fans permalink
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I've always wondered to myself; Why is it that in this country politicians has always mantained a soft spot for corrupt men and women in Washington, Wall Street, etc.., but when it comes to ordinary people like me there is no double talk, no second chances, and they'll always find the easiest way to crack the whip? I think for the most part this country is responsible for everything the people will have to go through in the next 20 years, for being so open to the unjustice and the bigotry through out these last 50 years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 03/22/2009
- solarian I'm a Fan of solarian 14 fans permalink

because they are brothers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 03/23/2009
- Ciganka I'm a Fan of Ciganka 6 fans permalink

Thanks for a great example of what many people are thinking. It is not something to just write off as populist anger, as if we are all some kind of great unwashed. We have a VERY SERIOUS on-going ethics problem. This is not the first time America has come out of a gilded age; it will probably not be th last. However, a little social justice usually goes a long way toward healing the country. This is the message that we have to send to our leadership. Rep. Sherman is quite good at articulating the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 AM on 03/22/2009
- Cedman I'm a Fan of Cedman 28 fans permalink

Wall Street has forced hundreds of companies to outsource their operations in order to improve operational efficiency and lower costs to yield higher stock valuations. Maybe the chickens should come home to roost via outsourcing Wall Street for a few years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 03/21/2009

Amen Cedman!!...As one of those associates whose job was outsourced to India for the short -term stock valuation push...Stop with the CNBC crap about losing the best and the brightest....in fact there is a whole new generation out there ready and able to take over thse firms...tell the greediest generation guys to just get out of the way!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 03/21/2009

my job was sent to Brazil..since the outsourced jobs aren't held by the best and the brightest, I think the wall street jobs should be sent to India and Brazil..Could only improve after a little work shadowing....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 03/21/2009
- lena22 I'm a Fan of lena22 4 fans permalink
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CNBC should ntot be taken seriously by anyone seeking the truth about these wall street thieves. If wall street want to pay their executives more than 100,000 dollars a year, then they need to stop begging for corporate welfare. I'm sure plenty of wall street workers laid off from other companies would welcome this pay scale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 03/21/2009
- ripples I'm a Fan of ripples 6 fans permalink

CNBC is nothing more then a cheerleading squad for Wall Street...they are in bed - some literally, like the 'Money Honey' - with the best & brightest stars of the universe...the whole lot of them are rotten to the core and their 'contribution' to society is to never let greed die...if we are going to overpay people then at least let it be those who actually benefit society - police, plumbers, doctors, teachers, firemen, nurses etc...how did we ever let things get to this point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 03/21/2009
- AllenD I'm a Fan of AllenD 38 fans permalink
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How dare you speak about Maria Buttaroma like that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 03/21/2009
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(Title 12, Sec. 1831o)

If someone in DC was doing their job last year we wouldn't be faced with this mess.

There are LAWS on the books that address this issue very clearly...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 03/21/2009

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act needs to be repealed! K.I.S.S.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 03/21/2009
- dillydawg I'm a Fan of dillydawg 58 fans permalink
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Repealed immediately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 03/21/2009
- harpen1 I'm a Fan of harpen1 3 fans permalink

I think we are doomed, when people argue that people are worth millions, the same people who lead their own companies to ruin. Greed has become the instrument that is going t bring the whole thing down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 03/21/2009
- zukervati I'm a Fan of zukervati 25 fans permalink
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It's guys like Haines, Santelli, Cramer and their resident FOA (Front Office Appearance) hack Erin Burnett that have contributed the most to our current financial demise. They've been in bed with these banks/investments houses for so long that they forgot who they're suppose to serve - consumers, not the companies and people they're suppose to report on. Their incestuous relationship with the Wall St. has led to favorable reporting, even during the worst of times - CNBC has lost its scruples, objectivity and is now nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Wall St. Any semblance of the fiduciary responsibility they should've had or have shown in the past is gone out the door - CNBC now has zero credibility.
I am keeping my fingers crossed for the day when this "Wh@re House" marketing arm of the Wall St. is shut down for good!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 03/21/2009

Like it or not Mark Haines is right , I certainly wouldn't any any of you people working in M&A or Arbitrage . Regulation is mandatory, but leave out the class warfare, you're feeding the Obama hate machine ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 03/21/2009
- Max01 I'm a Fan of Max01 5 fans permalink

Still living in a 9/11 world and we should listen to anything you have to say?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 03/21/2009
- Shashi0224 I'm a Fan of Shashi0224 97 fans permalink

Republicans, Wall Street throw straw man arguements out there instead of looking at reality. Will CNBC learn they've become a laughing stock....hey, maybe that stock won't take a nose dive as it actually reflects what is!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 03/21/2009
- filo I'm a Fan of filo 78 fans permalink
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Unions have been forced almost at gunpoint to renegotiate their contracts so why do the exorbitant AIG contracts have to be honored?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 03/21/2009
- lowgear I'm a Fan of lowgear 6 fans permalink
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thank the Lord we have a gov't that attempts to control the income limits of its people.

thank the Lord we are lucky to have a gov't that knows how spend our money better than we do.

will bho and the other socialists in congress tell oprah, tiger woods, will smith, jamarcus russell, keith oberlin that they think they should only make, oh, say $50,000 per year.

all hail our Dear Leader L.ord barak

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 03/21/2009

You don't seem to be able to differentiate between people who earn money without asking the government to give them obscene amounts to bail out monies. The wall street high flyers don't feed off the government as much as they feed off uninformed people who can't think beyond the Conservative talking points. The latter just might be you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 03/21/2009
- Max01 I'm a Fan of Max01 5 fans permalink

We look to our govt leaders to hold the line on anti-American Wall Street CEO's and their ilk. They've ransacked their companies by demanding obscene amounts of $$ with their private jets and redecorating costs.

In the meantime, keep living in your kool-ade world along with the lowest of low.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 03/21/2009
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