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What Obama Said Last Night That Really Was Controversial [UPDATED]

First Posted: 04/20/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:10 PM ET

Obama On Leno

So, while everyone was losing their minds at President Barack Obama's ill-advised "Special Olympics" quip, here's an interesting part of the interview that seems to have gone unremarked upon, by and large:

LENO: Well, when will the money -- this money was given out to the banks. I would have thought by this time it would have sort of trickled down to Main Street, to people wanting to get loans -- I mean, it all went out there months and months ago. Where is it?


OBAMA: Well, what's happening is a lot of these banks are keeping it in the bank because their balance sheets had gotten so bad that they decided, you know what, for us to stay solvent we need to maintain certain capital ratios; we've got to have a certain amount of capital in the bank -- and they haven't started lending it yet. And that's why what we've got to do -- right now what we're doing is essentially doing a diagnostic test -- trying to use some auto language here so you -- (laughter) -- we're doing a diagnostic on each of the banks, figuring out what are their capital levels? Can they sustain lending? And then I think we're going to separate out -- those banks that are in good shape, we're going to say to them, all right, you're on your own; go start lending again. Those banks that still have problems, we'll do a little more intervention to try to clean some of those toxic assets off their books.

But I actually have confidence that we'll get that done. In the meantime, we're taking a lot of steps to, for example, opening up -- open up separate credit lines outside of banks for small businesses so that they can get credit -- because there are a lot of small businesses out here who are just barely hanging on. Their credit lines are starting to be cut. We're trying to set up a securitized market for student loans and auto loans outside of the banking system. So there are other ways of getting credit flowing again.

So let me get this straight. We have here broad acknowledgment that the first bank intervention didn't work because the banks used the money to bolster their capital ratios instead of lending the money out, which was the whole point of the intervention in the first place. Additionally, we have Obama talking about the need to "set up a securitized market... outside of the banking system" in order to "get credit flowing again," and establish the very lending that the bank intervention was supposed to have achieved. Isn't this an indictment, plain and simple, of TARP? And yet, after these "diagnostic tests," we may yet end up doing "a little more" TARP-style "intervention?"

This looks to me like we'll be pursuing both an admittedly unsuccessful policy AND a stopgap policy to mitigate the former policy's lack of success, simultaneously.

[UPDATE}

As many have pointed out, I go too far, perhaps, in calling this a "plain and simple" indictment of TARP. So. okay. Noted. Nevertheless, it is a moment that calls for a greater clarity of terms. It's not for nothing that Leno asks: "...this money was given out to the banks. I would have thought by this time it would have sort of trickled down to Main Street, to people wanting to get loans -- I mean, it all went out there months and months ago. Where is it?" He asks this because TARP was sold as a means to get lenders lending again. Clearly, it should have been sold as a means to achieve bank capitalization.

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So, while everyone was losing their minds at President Barack Obama's ill-advised "Special Olympics" quip, here's an interesting part of the interview that seems to have gone unremarked upon, by and l...
So, while everyone was losing their minds at President Barack Obama's ill-advised "Special Olympics" quip, here's an interesting part of the interview that seems to have gone unremarked upon, by and l...
 
 
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12:07 PM on 03/24/2009
Domestic terrorists operate with impunity within U.S. borders! These homegrown miscreants answer to no one and continue to hold the U.S. economy hostage! They are of course, many of the surviving (via taxpayer bailouts) financial institutions that are directly responsible for the failing U.S. (World?) economy—much more destructive to western democratic governments than anything Bin Laden and his ilk could ever have dreamed up!

Yet the Obama/Geithner strategy seems to be to cajole them with large capital infusions in hopes that working within the framework of our current dysfunctional financial system will be a more direct path to recovery than government takeover and reform would be. They may be right, but the main hindrance to their objectives, to date, has been the continued destructive actions of the very institutions they prop-up and hope to save!
09:28 AM on 03/23/2009
"He asks this because TARP was sold as a means to get lenders lending again."
And Gulf Storm Part Deux was sold to us as a way to make us safe, and then resold as a way to "get the guys who got us" then resold as a way to get them WMD Saddam had, the resold as bringing freedom and democracy to the middle east.

The point is, why are we always surprised that the only thing to come out of our political class are lies? We're all in deep trouble as long as we keep beleiving in this two party system. Dems and Reps alike are crooked and broken. We need a clean sweep of our politicial system. Enact Federal term limits, enact laws stating it is illegal to ever lobby congress again after holding a federally elected position. Break the stranglehold these guys have on our country, or we are doomed.
01:21 PM on 03/23/2009
Lobbying should totally be outlawed. Not just controlled by laws prohibiting former congressional members from lobbying.

No way will the vote of the people win out over millions or billions of dollars given to congressional men or women by lobbyist.

You can not have a democracy with lobbyist.
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02:19 AM on 03/23/2009
The reason the banks want to raise their capital ratios - particularly on those credit default swaps and other derivatives that got them into so much trouble - is because they were never required to have any capital ratios, at all, on those securities. The same law that stripped the SEC from regulating those securities and their transactions - The Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 - is the same law that didn't require any capitalization of those assets. That's why so much money is required: suddenly, the banks have remembered they are banks again. You know, even a bookie knows to keep some cash on hand to cover his bets; these banks aren't even as ethical or pratical as that.

When Congress repeals or modifies the this law, then we'll see real progress. Until then, it's really just trying to fill a leaky bucket.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/05/foreclosure-phil
01:25 PM on 03/23/2009
Why not take all of that bail out money and have one federal bank to oversee it and lend it.
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11:48 PM on 03/22/2009
You were right, it is a "plain and simple" indictment of TARP -- of its original stated purpose, "to get banks lending again." Had it been sold to us, as you say, to achieve "bank capitalization" then TARP's failure to "get banks lending again" would not be a "plain and simple" indictment of TARP, but here in the real world it is exactly that.

I said from the outset, the government should not be propping up failed banks or lenders, it should replace them -- whether by nationalizing them or letting them fail and taking over their lending to _qualified_ borrowers on an emergency basis, I never cared. The important thing is, I knew a way existed to assist the borrowers who Paulson portrayed as in danger of being "collateral damage" to failed financial speculators, and it was clear from his first Chicken Little speech that the Paulson Plan was not about protecting the innocent, it was about obfuscating for the guilty, Phil Gramm and friends.
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Alethea
Have the courage to use reason.
11:57 PM on 03/22/2009
"I said from the outset, the government should not be propping up failed banks or lenders, it should replace them -- whether by nationalizing them or letting them fail and taking over their lending to _qualified_ borrowers on an emergency basis, I never cared."

I think they should have been broken up. The second a company becomes "too big to fail" then we should have slapped the Sherman Anti-Trust laws and broken them up into smaller companies.

Republicans always chant the praises of free market capitalism, but they are the ones helping to create monopolies through de-regulation. For a bunch of people who gush about "competition," they don't seem to care when the competition vanishes because of a monopoly.

Monopolies = the death of the free market, which = corporations extorting both the government and the people. Why don't they get that?
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12:19 AM on 03/23/2009
re: "Why don't they get that?"
If you mean the Republican "rank-and-file" they know they will never rise to the top with a level playing field. Many know they will never rise to the top with the game rigged in the particular way it has been, either, but they are bitter enough to, chop off their own nose to spite their face. The ones I've met.

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I think they should have been broken up. The second a company becomes "too big to fail" then we should have slapped the Sherman Anti-Trust laws and broken them up into smaller companies.
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To a hypothetical, benevolent free market true believer, I would argue that the beautiful, elegant efficiency of a free market is only valuable inasmuch as it serves the freedom of people.

Friedmanites and neo-conservatives flagrantly put "free markets" before human freedom, a misanthropic policy enabled by misinformed and uninformed masses.
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08:53 PM on 03/22/2009
i'M sure i'm not the first to bring out this meme but....

Zomg Its a tarp!!
03:48 PM on 03/22/2009
And it's hilarious - not - how Palin jumped all over Obama's "Special Olympics" gaffe - (GASP!!! He's human!!). She makes a big show of turning down the stimulus money to her state, part of which would go to helping special needs children. Only HER special needs child counts - the hell with the others??? What a hypocritical twit!!
09:51 PM on 03/22/2009
AMEN...................
12:07 PM on 03/23/2009
TO:AKINCOLO AND THE AMEN CROWD OF CARF,
When you judge the actions of others,you judge yourselves.OPPS!!!!!!!,Of course
you already are aware of this,because as a REPUBLICAN,YOU'RE A
EVANGELICAN CHRISTIAN AND NOTHING YOU SAY or DO IS WRONG.
IT'S JUST THOSE DAWN EVIL DEMOCRATIC LIBERALS WHO ARE ON
THEIR WAY TO HELL.
11:33 PM on 03/22/2009
*Gasp*! She's human too but you liberal hypocrites never see your own faults! You smugly point fingers at others and say, "if you are conservative you are EVIL". Gee THAT's tolerant. Apparently NO ONE but YOU can do good things.

You lie to yourselves. You con yourselves. We out here know what you are and we shake our heads at the childishness of your "emo" life and wonder, do you ever think about what you're doing or is feeling good about yourselves the most important thing in your life?

Liberal folks have to be THE most self centered, self important, and self loving bunch in the world. Try looking at the FACTS and STOP LYING TO YOURSELF.
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Ipanemagirl
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01:49 PM on 03/22/2009
Oh come on! Cant people just use a manner of speech w/o having to worry of being accused of attacking personally...special olympics just means people who are physically challenged, and so what?
We all use comparatives and adjectives like: you act retarded! It does not mean they are mocking a retarded person personally....its just a manner of speech. Don't people have better things to do other than hiding in the bushes waiting for something to pounce on?
03:20 PM on 03/22/2009
I believe President Obama was making fun of himself - certainly NOT the Special Olympics. I understood him to mean that possibly anyone in the Special Olympics could beat him at bowling. I wish people would try to hear the spirit in which things are said instead of always looking for some dark intention. Our world would be a much better place if some of us could put aside the anger and just take things at face value occasionally.
03:51 PM on 03/22/2009
"glasstech": And of course, you're absolutely correct! Obama, in using that term, was actually being self-depreciating in implying that his bowling is less than wonderful. But of course, that part is conveniently overlooked by those so SWEATILY DESPERATE to find a chink in his armor. Spot on!
12:08 PM on 03/23/2009
People with disabilities have learned that humor makes them just like every one else. They make jokes among themselves and know that good natured fun isn't meant to hurt. Palin is just an opportunist, remember her fake outrage at fruit fly research. "In Paris France, I kid you not"? Fruit fly research is the basis for all genetic research. She is dumb and seems to want to stay that way.

Her treatment of her son and her pregnant daughter was the real outrage, not something this good hearted man said.
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01:22 PM on 03/22/2009
HP speaks truth to power!! Excellent- Keep it up!

(BTW the special olympics line WAS controversial- it would have been even moreso had it been a GOP member who said it.)
03:01 AM on 03/22/2009
Uhhh, didn't Senator Obama race to support and then vote for TARP?
And hasn't Obama had several months now to figure how best to distribute his half of the TARP funds Bush left him? And didn't Obama pronounce the economic crisis so acute that we had to pass the stimulus bill without examination or debate?
There are several serious disconnects here. It's like we have a bad cell connection.

I'm beginning to think the bowling comments were made purposely. Obama's little gaff sure did distract most of America from this part of his interview.
12:20 PM on 03/22/2009
An ignorant answer to an ignorant commentary. TARP payments were designed to keep banks from going bankrupt because they didn't have capital to back up EXISTING loans and deposits. That was successful. Some banks have been restored enough to loan. But the point was not to funnel funds through distressed banks, and make the situation worse.

And the new programs Obama discussed had been announced days and weeks earlier. He wasn't making news, although the commentary author apparently hasn't been listening.

And Obama has had exactly 61 days to begin to tackle the problems built up over EIGHT YEARS of incompetent Republican rule. Talk about lack of accountability! The Republican chorus attacks, tears down, and prescribes more of the same! more of the same! without ever acknowledging the awful results of their feckless ideology.
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DocSyracuse
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01:42 PM on 03/22/2009
"And Obama has had exactly 61 days to begin to tackle the problems built up over EIGHT YEARS of incompetent Republican rule.:


This is getting old. If that's the best libs can muster to support BHO, then they're in for a long 4 years.

Yes, Obama has only been in office for 61 days, and he inherited some epic problems.
But WHAT HAS HE DONE to address them? Cite something concrete to prove BHO's economic policies are working, please. Economists from both parties have been describing the damage BHO's policies are doing for weeks. Incompetence abounds, and there is no excusing it. The 'stimulus bill', aka the largest government spending bill by any country in history? We will feel the impact of that for decades, and for what? Put some lipstick on that pig for me.
03:18 PM on 03/22/2009
President Obama is doing more of the same things Bush did, please do not forget that. Bush bailed out companies, Obama bailed out companies. Bush hired lobbyists, Obama hired lobbyists. Bush forced unconstitutional legislation through Congress without being read, and so has Obama. President Bush went to war under questionable circumstances, Obama is trying to go to war with new countries under questionable circumstances. President Obama has had exactly 62 days to do exactly the same things President Bush did. Wake up!
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01:19 AM on 03/22/2009
The reality is CHENEY/bush broke our country and what they said they needed in the 1st TARP bill wasn't enough to prop us up. They slashed and burned us. The hole is too deep but we will all have to deal with its bottom.

Suze Orman let a little rage out recently when she told Bush his fortune and his family's is our since they stole if from us. Why are people pretending our economic woes began on day one of Obama's presidency?

Don't ya just love this quote from Obama's 60 Minutes interview that airs tomorrow night?
"What's taken so long? You've been in office a whole 40 days and you haven't solved the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression.""
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DocSyracuse
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02:18 PM on 03/22/2009
And not only has he not 'solved' the crisis- he's managed to make it worse! Congratulations, BHO! No clear direction, ineffective spending bills, hurting small businesses with increased taxes. Way to go!
12:35 AM on 03/22/2009
So in other words Mr President you have no idea what the conditions of the banks are-it is like they are overdrawn and you do not now how much money to put into them to bring them up in the "Black"
The banks accounts keep "bouncing" and "bouncing" and "bouncing"
12:28 AM on 03/23/2009
That's just not what he said, and you know it.
12:14 PM on 03/23/2009
This is what the FDIC does. I worked in banks for years and there are many ways for a bank to look good on paper. One trick they did was to loan to bad loans and show the old ones as paid off. Then loan more on the second one with the provision that 5 or 6 payments be made into a separate account, which was put in each month so it looked like the payments were being made on time. This is where accountants have to look.

Anyway, to expect Obama to look at a bank, with his x-ray eyes, and judge them good or bad is silly. Each bank has assets and liabilities that will have to be uncovered.
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12:02 AM on 03/22/2009
ots of good dieas expressed here. Perhaps someone can explain to me how going deeper into debt is going to solve the current crisis. Wasn't it too much spending that got us into this mess? How is more spending going to get us out of it?
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01:43 AM on 03/22/2009
Going into debt is not the whole solution, and is not being promoted as such. Going into debt is the solution to the "paradox of thrift", where saving doesn't work if everyone tries to do it at once. To save money, you have to loan it to someone. Or more precisely, if you produce now and consume later, there has to be either a thing that gets produced now and used later, or someone who consumes now and produces later. The former case is increasing the amount of physical capital: that happens for the most part by business investing in new equipment/facilities/inventory/whatever, which they often do by borrowing. The latter normally takes the form of a loan. Even if you hold onto the cash, there has to be someone who consumes now and produces later, because you get the cash by getting paid for something (at least theoretically) productive and then you spend it on something that has to be produced.

If everyone tries to save at once there's no demand, so businesses won't invest. If everyone tries to save at once, there's no other person trying to consume now and produce later. So neither way works, and you get a recession instead of getting more capital goods being produced.
12:20 PM on 03/23/2009
Thank you for pointing out that the savings accounts freeze money. However, banks invest in businesses, and the people saving and not spending then hurt the businesses. We need balance in economic areas. Some savings, some spending.
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02:12 PM on 03/22/2009
Going into debt , nobody wants to do, but it became impossible to avoid if we didnt want the s whole financiBlame the GOP for this, as they are still insisiting we continue with deregulations as though nothing happened....and oh! lower taxes for the rich! I'm so sick and tired of hearing their boring stereo typed chant over and over , like they want to pretend it was not their fault and trying to switch the blame on Obama who just inherited the mess a few days ago!
Too much capitalism is also bad for the people as they are completely forgotten in the greed of the few corporations that profit from it. Government needs to interfere somewhat , in order to make things fairer for all...and we are far from becoming socialists!!!! , although, people from european socialist countries would not trade places with us , not for anything!!!....only the rich dont like socialism because it limits their profits.
For the average person, it gives you healthinsurance, education, and income security you could never dream of here...so before you rant and rage about "Socialism", beware of what it really means!, The rich like to mislead us into believing its something awful like communism, so you vote against government , in their favor only! Thats what they, the GOP is all about, favoring the top 5% of the country by misleading the ignorant masses they rule and brainwash. that follow them like sheep into the gutter.
04:14 PM on 03/21/2009
Telling us the simple fact that many banks need(ed) a capital infusion to get their capital built back up is controversial?

It is a simple description of one of the many problems that need to be fixed.

It seems to me that a failure to understand that indicates a failure to understand the basics of bank finance and capital requirements
04:41 PM on 03/21/2009
You don't understand.

AIG sell investment insurance to Hedge funds without the cash to pay claims.

TARP money is used to pay off Hedge Funds' lost bets against Main Street Companies.

Read my profile, please prove me wrong.

STOP SWAPS.

Swaps are The Financial Weapon Of Mass Destruction Bin Laden wishes he had invented.
05:49 PM on 03/21/2009
The term CDS contains a booby-trap hidden in the word "Swap" which means to exchange a material object against a similar material object, e.g. "engine swap" in automobile language.

Hence an investor who bought risk insurance from AIG might have thought they had some material object, i.e. cash, ready to be swapped against his eventually lost cash.

Obviously AIG did not have, by far, the cash reserves needed to live up to the implicit meaning of the 'S' in the tricky acronym CDS.
03:36 PM on 03/21/2009
The Elephant in the Room: AIG sells Trillions of dollars of investment insurance without reserves to pay claims. See my profile.
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dianhow
former Repub till W
02:02 PM on 03/21/2009
Obama spoke before he thought- we've all done it. He said he was sorry.
Let it go now - we have much more important fish to fry.
07:21 PM on 03/21/2009
and can you tell us again how many F**KING times we heard the statement from Palin about Ruusia from my house which she NEVER SAID
07:53 PM on 03/21/2009
Amen!
12:23 PM on 03/23/2009
But she did make fun of fruit fly research. Remember that remark? This is the basis of all genetic research, in "Paris France, I kid you not".

And when "Putin rears his head and invades Alaska". The list of what she said is long, long and wonderful.
lab221
Proud to be a Democrat
01:04 PM on 03/22/2009
I agree dianhow. Obama says he is sorry, he spoke before he thought, which is unusual, and for gosh sake let it go. With all the problems left him by the Bush/Cheney adminisration, we get all stirred up over one misspoken comment?
02:02 PM on 03/22/2009
would your ass be sayoing the same if it had been bush said something like that hell no