S&P And Nasdaq Now Up Since Obama Took Office

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March 26, 2009 05:00 PM

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Listening to some in the press, one gets the sense that Barack Obama, and he alone, has presided over the most precipitous drop in economic productivity of any president in recent history.

On the March 9 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight, the CNN host ominously declared that the president "has his own bear market." Reflecting on the absence of a plan to shore up the banks, Dobbs went on: "That's the definition of a bear market, a 20 percent decline. This is now the Obama bear market." On Tuesday, Dobbs lightened his tune, saying that the Obama bear market had turned into a rally.

Surely the situation is bleak, with unemployment levels rising and GDP at a quarter-century low. Obama himself has said as much. But one of the chief indicators of where the stock market stands tells a much more nuanced story, one actually a bit favorable to the president.

The S&P 500, which is the value-weighted index of 500 most actively traded large cap common stocks in the United States, ended the day on Thursday higher than when Obama took office: 832.86 to its 805.22 closing on January 20, 2009.

This is, of course, just one index. But there are others. The Nasdaq, which lists more than 3,000 companies, has gone from 1,440.86 on the day of Obama inauguration to 1,587.00 on Thursday. (The Dow Jones Industrial Average, meanwhile, closed on Thursday at 7,924.56, just 25 points under where it was when Obama took office, 7,949.09.)

To be sure, Obama and his staff have long insisted that they are not measuring their progress on the whims of the markets. One day's gains can be tomorrow's losses. But for those in the commentariat who are down on what has happened under the current president's watch, it's worthwhile putting recent developments in historical context.

The S&P 500 dropped under George W. Bush between his inauguration on January 20, 2001 and March 26 of that year (one day more than Obama has been in office), from 1,342.54 to 1,152.69. It would take 11 months to finally see the index rise to where it stood when Bush took office -- closing February 1, 2002, at 1,373.73. But by October 9, 2002, it had hit a low of Bush's presidency -- 776.76 -- and wouldn't break the 1,300 mark again until March 15, 2006.

Ultimately, with a market boom driven in large part by the housing bubble, the S&P 500 would peak on October 9, 2007 at 1,565.15 before plummeting to 952.77 the day of the 2008 election and the aforementioned 805.22 when the new occupant entered the Oval Office.

Listening to some in the press, one gets the sense that Barack Obama, and he alone, has presided over the most precipitous drop in economic productivity of any president in recent history. On the M...
Listening to some in the press, one gets the sense that Barack Obama, and he alone, has presided over the most precipitous drop in economic productivity of any president in recent history. On the M...
 
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Sorry folks, can't credit the sitting President with having done anything to cause this minuscule increase. None of the so called plans from the administration have been sound or properly directed. In fact many of the targets of the plans have been long delayed favored projects of individual Congressmen. I mean, gimmieabreak, study pig smell? That is like studying airport noise!

Often, while watching the President present the variety of his plans, the stock ticker ttends to consistently move down as he lays out his plans.

The market as a whole, hey what has the Russell done, is way more complicated and involved for such simplistic analysis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 03/27/2009

"The market as a whole, hey what has the Russell done, is way more complicated and involved for such simplistic analysis."

So, he takes office and the market continues its slide straight down. goes down 20%.

He announces his plans and starts to implements them, and the market rebounds.

It is now HIGHER than when he took office, yet you say it is too complicated for us too understand.

Yeah, that sounds right...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 03/27/2009
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I bet repubs are frantically finding a way to make the market start going down. omg what a disaster it would be if Obama was successful!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 03/27/2009

By the way, refusing to accept the SP500 as a barometer for the overall market is laughable. If you look at ANY investments performance numbers, they compare that to the SP500 for the same time period... not the Russell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 03/27/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

The market is up due to taxpayers infusion of obscene amounts of money into Wall St
.( crooks ) oops- I mean bankers / AIG Those who helped get us into this mess. Yet- ' most of the so called ' financial experts ' say we have to do this- we shall see. The far right GOP is praying it does NOT work -so they can crucify Obama even more. It's politics as usual and it's a dirty business. Obama has been in it a relative short time- but what about all the LONG TIMERS like McCain's 40 years - Cheney's 35 years - Bush's 25 + years . What did they do in all these years- except collect lots of money-great benefits- screw the middle class and get millions in lobbyist money ? . Sen Bernie Sanders ( an independant ) is a good guy that has tried to help the average worker / citizen. He voted against many of these ' give aways' to big business, big oil and against deregulation of banks / Wall ST. Now- that's a good man to have on OUR side.-chec­k him out. www.sanders.senate.gov

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 03/27/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

True. The S & P is used most often as a barometer of how the market is doing.
The DOW is made up of 30 stocks of our largest Co's. QQQQ is 100 of the biggest tech stock Co's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 03/27/2009
- Artos I'm a Fan of Artos 83 fans permalink

DuncanONeil,

I have noticed that the Stock Market goes up when some Corporation that looked doomed suddenly gets an infusion of Bail Out cash saving it' butt from bankruptcy, but it goes down whenever the Wall Streeters here the word "Regulations". They do not like hearing that they may have to submit to more regulation, but they love getting money with no strings attached.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 03/27/2009

First bail out is not string free! The biggest string is the Government trying to run the business. In fact companies that have tried to pay back the Government money have been told that they are not permitted to pay it back! Winder why!

Perhaps with the money paid back the Government nannies will not be able to run the business?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 04/14/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

You guys sing the same old tune-over and over again.. Bush gets credit for what happens on his watch- but OBAMA doesn't . Well 9 / 11 happened on Bush's watch -he was even warned in Aug 2001 that " Bin laden determined to HIT INSIDE THE US. He IGNORED IT.!! . .
Try pedaling lies and misinformation on LImbaugh's show-
There has been a ' pick up in homes sales and for CO's who install windows- doors folks are saying - Obama's tax credit caused them to do it now. But the GOP does not let get in the way.

Obama is doing a good job- he's very popular. It must drive the hard line GOP crazy to know that. They want power and control back so bad-they will say or do anything to get it.
Reasonable people are giving him a fair shake-- since Bush / Cheney dumped a load of crap in his lap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 03/27/2009
- juanjo I'm a Fan of juanjo 7 fans permalink

Poor Duncan, do your teeth hurt from chewing in table legs and gnashing your teeth? It is certainly true that no one market index is predictive of the entire economy and it is equally true that no president is responsible for the markets daily rise and fall. Long term however the dynamics of the market are affected by the confidence individuals have in the president to address issues including the economy and investors in particular are notoriously fickle about these matters.

It is uncertainty which is poison to consumer confidence and investors. People were put in a real bind as a result of the public looting of the fisc by the Republicans over the past 8 years. Real wages dropped and tax rates on the rich dropped to tiny amounts compared to the rates paid during the 40"s, 50's and 60's. In the meantime the infrastructure suffered and all that money being made by the large corporations and wealthy investors was "outsourced". The trickle down theory was shown to be a complete lie.

Obama cannot reverse years of corruption, looting and rampart greed overnight and in fact probably will be amazingly lucky to do 50% of what he wants to accomplish. But he is trying to do things to restore the public confidence and calm the markets. Two months is really too short a time to determine the success or failure of what he is trying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 03/27/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

Hi My post was NOT meant for you but for Duncan. Thanks for a thoughtful reasoned post-they're hard to find sometimes. Obama is running as fast as he can- trying to get us back on the right track. There will be stumbles along the way- that's expected.
65 days is NO time at all to judge anyone ! Fair minded people understand that, As you eluded- this crisis has been growing like a cancer- since Reagan deregulated banks & WAll st- which made it possible for them to go wild with greed, and unethical behavior.
Now the Wall St party is over- and the taxpayers and Obama get the booby prize !
We always had common sense safe guards & regulation- before Reagan / Bush / GOP policies took them away. Bush/ Cheney / Rove 7 Co all have to testify under oath- Then we will ALL know the entire shameful story. THE Reagan / Bush / Cheney / Rove policy of greed-dishonesty- deregulation lives on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 03/27/2009
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In the two months or so just before and just after Obama's inauguration, the most profligate beneficiaries of the Bush / Cheney Crime Cartel, Inc.'s policies panicked about their prosecution, and the stock markets trended downward. Whether they think they're going to plead out or they're just getting used to the idea of living out their remaining days in prison, their panic is over and the rest of us are becoming progressively more confident and hopeful about the future, including production and being financially rewarded for it.

That's my opinion. Another of my opinions is that "poor Duncan" has grown accustomed to being wealthy under the broken system that is being repaired, and as it is repaired, the kind of "work" that had made Duncan rich will progressively pay less, and less. The country is moving the right direction, to the Left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 03/30/2009

"Long term however the dynamics of the market are affected by the confidence individuals have in the president to address issues"
The investors confidence is not so much affected by confidence in the President, but in the investor's confidence in the investments ability to provide a return on investment.

"It is uncertainty which is poison to consumer confidence and investors. People were put in a real bind as a result of the public looting of the fisc by the Republicans over the past 8 years."
Presume that you are correct; then how do you explain the continuing increase in the market indicators during that self-same eight years? Also more looting of the nations coffers appears to have occurred in the past four months than all of the previous administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 04/14/2009

"tax rates on the rich dropped to tiny amounts"
You really think that 35% of income is a tiny amount? Also it is misleading to make any claim of comparison from top rate to top rate without a full look at the whole tax structure. If you really want to talk about taxes dropped to tiny amounts you have to move to the bottom of the tax scale, not the top.
On average the lowest tax rate:
In the 40s paid tax on income up to $2,600. That rate, on
average, 16.96.
In the 50s paid tax on income up to $4,000. That rate, on
average, 20.22.
In the 60s paid tax on income up to $2,200. That rate, on
average, 16.6.
Today the lowest tax rate paid tax on income up to $21,194. This rate is, on
average, 11.11. On average an increase in income untaxed by 7.7 times
and a concomitant decrease in taxes of 62%.

Over the same period the top tax bracket saw a 42% decrease in taxes and a 26% increase. in income taxed. (source: http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=19)

Biggest reason for outsourcing is oppressive Government imposed cost of doing business. If so-called trickle down is a lie how do you reconcile the increase in the various measures of the economy every time taxes are cut.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 04/14/2009
- Artos I'm a Fan of Artos 83 fans permalink

I think it might do everyone some good to read Nicholas Kristoffs column for today. It's about experts. I agree with him wholeheartedly. How does this apply to this column by Sam, well, it's like the old saying goes, "Act in haste, repent in leisure." Too often some pundit wants to be the first on his block to "announce" good or bad news. To come across as an "expert", and all too often they are completely wrong. While I too would like to see things take a turn for the better, I am not so easily fooled into believing that all is suddenly peaches and cream. The Problems our economy is suffering are far too deep and complex for them to have been solved so easily and to be over quite so quickly. Some things that seem to be better on the surface only need to be looked at with more intensity to find that the reasons they look good are based on factors that have no real substance. It will take a lot more substance for things to get better in actual fact. For instance jobs that pay real wages. People spending money in and of itself is no clear indication things are improving. Look at what they are purchasing and why, that will tell you much more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 03/27/2009

Perhaps you could read the whole article:

"Surely the situation is bleak, with unemployment levels rising and GDP at a quarter-century low. Obama himself has said as much. But one of the chief indicators of where the stock market stands tells a much more nuanced story, one actually a bit favorable to the president.­"

Nobody is saying all is well, just that one measure that the GOP LOVED to hang around his neck as proof of his "failure" has returned to levels BEFORE he was sworn in, meaning that specific argument has been exposed as ridiculous. Nothing more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 03/27/2009
- Artos I'm a Fan of Artos 83 fans permalink

Maybe you should read what I said. It has nothing to do with Obama, and everything to do with people who read too much into the stock market and make predictions. Experts will tell you anything if they have something to be gained from it. Too many Experts have fed all of us a lot of crap, using the Stock Market as a gauge for determining whether the economy is getting better or not. The Stock Market is nothing, and it means nothing. The Stock Market is Reno, Las Vegas or Atlantic City. It is the well heeled or those who have gambler mentalities who play in the Stock Market, and it is they who either benefit or lose. Most of the rest of us only lose. As I have pointed out before, the stock market sees it's best days when the rest of America is having it's worst days. When people lose jobs then the vultures of Wall Street profit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 03/27/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

Sure Obama would like to take his sweet time. ' but the incredible crisis that Reagan / Bush policy of deregulating banks & WAll St- prevents him from doing so. If a building is burning down - there's not much time to react- You must act right away. Obama has been PUT INTO THIS POSITION BY GREEDY DISHONEST POLITICIANS, WALL St fat cats & UNETHICAL PRACTICES OF BANKS.
GOP policy allowed it. We do not have THE LUXURY OF TAKING OUR TIME. Thanks to the legacy Reagan & Bush left- a legacy of shame, lies, greed, deregulation- so the public had no safe guards any longer. against scams and unethical lenders. Its all a huge scam - mostly perpetrated by Reagan/ Bush/ Sen Gramm- and others . GRamms wife made 900 K off the Enron scam. Look it up so you know what you're talking about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 03/27/2009
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I'm sick as hell of hearing about how "complex" this (and every previous) economic crisis is. Wall Street's "losses" were nothing but falsified & over-valued "assets" being restored to their actual value -- zero, or much closer to it than they had been credited. Nothing is complex about that; the schemes used to hide that fact were complex; the reality is simplistic. The solution is real jobs, doing real work, producing real things. We have started with infrastructure. Education and health care are also top priorities, because they also provide services that are really valuable to real people. What's complex about that?

quote:
The Problems our economy is suffering are far too deep and complex for them to have been solved so easily and to be over quite so quickly. Some things that seem to be better on the surface only need to be looked at with more intensity to find that the reasons they look good are based on factors that have no real substance.
/quote

For example? What looks better, based only on factors that have no real substance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 03/30/2009

The Lou Dobbs of TV argue that the state of the economy is really bad because of the president's policies, then without retracting previous statements say the market is improving but only temporarely and cretainly not because of what the president is doing, while at the same time demanding as to why the president is not doing enough in protecting US from the mexicans, in fact Lou suggested in agreement with a general that it is a national security of the first order and therefore we should militarized the border and continue building walls . This is equivalent to what people do in South America, build bars on doors and windows because they feel indadequate to protect themselves, are we in the same category? and/or shall we follow Lou's advise "arm baby arm, shoot baby shoot".the first and best way to promote anarchy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 03/27/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

CNN 's Lou Dobbs is losing it. Lets see the ' Recession' AIG, the war, Mexicans all are Obama's
fault ? After 65 days- wow he works fast.. Are we supposed to buy that misguided -misinformed
garbage ? I think not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 03/27/2009

Hannity called it the Obama recession. Could this be the start of the Obama recovery? They blamed him for the markets dropping. They said it was because no one had confidence in his plans. Well it looks like confidence is on the rise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 03/27/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

Yes If it's OBama's ' recession ' after only 50 + days- then it MUST BE OBAMA;'S RECOVERY .
I love it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 03/27/2009
- IndieBlue I'm a Fan of IndieBlue 27 fans permalink

Lou should be relieved to hear the new. Now he can can go back to blaming all of our problems on the other dark people--Mexican immigrant laborers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 03/27/2009
- BoSoxFanNC I'm a Fan of BoSoxFanNC 3 fans permalink

Lets blame Bush....wa­it a minute, that wont work in this case

LEFTOBOTS.­...a pitiful existence, no clue about how markets work

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 03/27/2009

Don't tell me , let me guess you voted for bush twice and then for mccain/palin, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 03/27/2009
- BoSoxFanNC I'm a Fan of BoSoxFanNC 3 fans permalink

Wow, what gave that one away

And you work on Wall St right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 03/27/2009

To be lou dobbs is in the same tank as thrush, hannity etc. I don't listen to him and don't plan to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 03/27/2009
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Lou Dobbs is conservative to the core. I wish they would drop that "Independent Lou Dobbs" BS. He is a hard core right winger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 03/27/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

Exactly Lou Dobbs cqlls himself an independant- I don't believe it for a minute.
If it walks like a duck..well you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 03/27/2009

For years, Mr. Dobbs had an agenda. It was not the economy it was an agenda that was constant for years to build ‘southern’ border fence.
Lou Dobbs was CNN’s MONEY man but the ‘MIA’ Economic Guru has failed terribly, isn’t that obvious?
The CNN viewers watched Dobbs rant ignorantly while the Investment Banks robbed the American People.

I wonder how much he was paid. Who sponsors his radio show?

Can any of his viewers define a CDS or Derivative?

Lou Dobbs promotes the statistic 1 of 4 American possess a passport. I wonder, can any of his viewers define the word Global yet alone Global Economy? What a joke.


It is a fact; the USA cannot even make it within the top 25 countries in the world for education.

Ignorance is Bliss!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 03/27/2009

The first time our students are tested they rank in the 92nd percentile. Perhaps if we actually required our students to perform throughout their academic career that statistic would be different.

What would you propose to effect our students moving up in the list?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 03/27/2009
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Get rid of "No Child Left Behind". It was one of many swindles Bush pulled on the American people-and it is counterproductive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 03/27/2009
- smiz I'm a Fan of smiz permalink

Outlaw teacher unions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 03/27/2009
- RickyPoo I'm a Fan of RickyPoo 5 fans permalink

NewsFlash: Upon hearing this great news about the stock market, troll heads from coast to coast EXPLODED!

Film @ 11!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 03/27/2009
- BoSoxFanNC I'm a Fan of BoSoxFanNC 3 fans permalink

You mean they made money from their investments instead of look for handouts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 03/27/2009

wait a minute. There was a article on here stating that you can't b.lame Obama for making the stock market go down. How can you relate him to it when it goes up? come on, H.uffPo, stop being so b.ias. We need fair and balanced news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 03/27/2009
- cocolola I'm a Fan of cocolola 7 fans permalink
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Uh... Because the programs that HE has play are working. DUH!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 03/27/2009
- BoSoxFanNC I'm a Fan of BoSoxFanNC 3 fans permalink

And what programs would that be?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 03/27/2009

Most of them have not even begun yet! DUH!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 03/27/2009
- hegdehog I'm a Fan of hegdehog 25 fans permalink

Lou Dobbs? You're quoting Lou Dobbs? My favorite Lou Dobbs quote just came out the back of my pants. Here--I'll quote it for you: "bbbbrrrra­aaaaaaaaaa­apppppp".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 03/27/2009

For years, Mr. Dobbs had an agenda. It was not the economy it was an agenda that was constant for years to build ‘southern’ border fence.
Lou Dobbs was CNN’s MONEY man but the ‘MIA’ Economic Guru has failed terribly, isn’t that obvious?
The CNN viewers watched Dobbs rant ignorantly while the Investment Banks robbed the American People. I wonder how much he was paid. Who sponsors his radio show?

Can any of his viewers define a CDS or Derivative?
Lou Dobbs promotes the statistic 1 of 4 American possess a passport. I wonder, can any of his viewers define Global yet alone Global Economy?
It is a fact; the USA cannot even make it within the top 25 countries in the world for education
Ignorance is Bliss!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 03/27/2009
- Lillopa I'm a Fan of Lillopa 3 fans permalink

Just like republicans first all over the media that it was all all all Pres Obama's fault stock market went down and not doing nothing.. Now Pres Obama's plan and restructing is coming to light and is working republicans now and media saying it would of changed anyway... obstructionist at its finest you think? Media not praising Pres Obama either hmmmm--dam if you do and dam if you don't!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 03/27/2009
- Scarllatti I'm a Fan of Scarllatti 14 fans permalink
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Anyone who listens or picks up daily tabs from the GOP is an incurable i d i o t. This party needs a requiem high mass---ala Catholicism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 AM on 03/27/2009

asdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 03/27/2009
- x004Ronin I'm a Fan of x004Ronin 32 fans permalink

Come on, where are the conservative tro\s talking about how the stock market is a better reflection of trust in Obama's judgment than polls that show Obama trusted by 60% of Americans? Come out, come out, wherever you are!

In all seriousness, it's ridiculous to judge a President based on the stock market. I'm just happy this rally has officially shut the conservatives up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 03/27/2009

They'll be around once they figure out how to spin this. That or they just ignore the story because it doesn't match with their preconceived notions.

Reality really sucks, doesn't it trolls? Don't you guys want to mix it up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 AM on 03/27/2009
- elcerritan I'm a Fan of elcerritan 13 fans permalink
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Has Dana Perino figured out a way to give Bush credit for this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 03/27/2009
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