Jim Webb: Pot Legalization Could Be Part Of Criminal Justice Overhaul

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First Posted: 03-27-09 01:40 PM   |   Updated: 04-27-09 05:12 AM

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Sen. Jim Webb, fresh off his passage of an historic expansion of the GI Bill, has found a new issue: the criminal justice system. And when Webb, a Virginia Democrat, sets his legislative sites on a priority, his colleagues pay attention.

On Thursday, Webb, along with the ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), introduced a bill to create a commission that would undertake an 18-month study of the criminal justice system and come back with legislative recommendations.

In an interview with the Huffington Post, Webb said that everything should be considered. And he means everything.

"I think everything should be on the table, and we specifically say that we want recommendations on how to deal with drug policy in our country. And we'll get it to the people who have the credibility and the expertise and see what they come up with," said Webb.

What about legalizing, taxing and regulating marijuana?

Webb paused. "I think they should do a very careful examination of all aspects of drug policy. I've done a couple of very extensive hearings on this, so we'll wait to see what they say about that," he said.

So it's on the table? Webb flashed a wry grin, laughing mischievously.

The last government study group to look at drug policy, the 1972 Shafer Commission, recommended that President Richard Nixon decriminalize marijuana. He didn't.

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This commission will have a broader mandate, said Webb. He expects a "pretty broad range of legislative priorities to come out of it [covering] not just incarceration but the entire panorama of criminal justice."

Webb's bill, he said, is backed by Judiciary Committee chairman Pat Leahy (D-Vt.) as well as Majority Whip Dick Durbin and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) -- the chairman and ranking Republican of the Crime and Drugs Subcommittee. It has a powerful list of cosponsors, including the top four Democrats, Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.), Durbin, Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.).

"We've got a good chance to get this done this year," said Webb, suggesting that the "dramatic" growth of the prison population makes it an issue that needs to be addressed. See the charts Webb brought to the Senate floor.

Webb cited "the exponential growth of incarceration since 1980," saying that "a huge percentage of that growth has been nonviolent crimes associated with drugs."

Webb, a decorated Vietnam veteran who was Secretary of the Navy under President Ronald Reagan, has as much military cred as any Democrat. "I'm very concerned about the issue of gangs and transnational gangs and I think a big piece of that -- not all of it -- a big piece of that is the movement of drugs. So that's a huge piece of this," said Webb.

The growing prison population has bipartisan roots, which I explore in a book be published soon, This Is Your Country On Drugs. Throughout the 1980s, Democrats in Congress and state governments around the country increased prison sentences for drug offenses, coming down particularly hard on crack. In 1986, Congress instituted mandatory-minimum sentences for powder and crack cocaine. To trigger the powder minimum, a dealer needed to possess 500 grams. For crack, just five grams. Two years later, the law was extended to anybody who was associated with the dealer -- girlfriends, roommates, etc.

In 1991, Michigander Allen Harmelin argued that his life sentence for possessing roughly a pound and a half of cocaine is cruel and unusual. The Supreme Court ruled that it is neither. California enacted its three-strikes law in 1994 -- three felonies equals a minimum of 25 years -- and the feds one-upped the state, declaring a third felony to result in life without parole. Twenty-three more states enacted three-strikes laws by 1995.

In 1984, just over 30,000 people were in prison for drug crimes; by 1991, the number had soared to more than 150,000. The Department of Justice found in a study of the prison population that the average length of a federal stay drastically increased between 1986 and 1997. If you walked into prison in 1986, your average stay would have been 21 months. In 1997, it was 47 months. For weapons offenders, the rise was from 23 to 75 months, and for drug offenders, it was from 30 to 66 months. Not all criminals could expect such increased time behind bars, however: A bank robber could expect 74 months in 1986 and only 83 months a decade later.

Three-strikes laws and lengthening prison sentences explain what appears to be a contradiction: U.S. crime rates are falling while U.S. incarceration rates are rising. It stands to reason that if fewer people are committing crimes, then fewer people should be locked up. But locking up fewer people every year and putting them away for much longer mushrooms the prison population.

The result is that more than one out of every 100 Americans is currently in prison. If you're a black male between 20 and 34, there's a better than one in nine chance that you're imprisoned. To keep all of these people behind bars, states spent a combined $44 billion in 2007.

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) said he's open to working with Webb. "It'll be interesting," Cornyn, a former prosecutor, said of the coming debate. "I would be open to ideas that would take certain first-time, nonviolent offenders and try to give them a shock probation or something like that which would encourage treatment but then would go serve their time if they didn't fully cooperate," he said.

Sen. Jim Webb, fresh off his passage of an historic expansion of the GI Bill, has found a new issue: the criminal justice system. And when Webb, a Virginia Democrat, sets his legislative sites on a pr...
Sen. Jim Webb, fresh off his passage of an historic expansion of the GI Bill, has found a new issue: the criminal justice system. And when Webb, a Virginia Democrat, sets his legislative sites on a pr...
 
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Genesis 1:29,30 Find out what God thinks about canabis sativa an herb created by God and placed in the Garden of Eden. If people would go to the root of the problem they would see that Big Brother has committed a grievous sin against its people and God.
If you ask why doesn't God step in, the answer is that He has, and His answer has already been written in the scriptures. Repent Big Brother.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 04/16/2009

This is great what they are doing. But what makes me raise my eyebrow is how they need to have an 18 month study on something they already know. Studies already exist, how else did they get their information? Its kind of like making plans to make plans. Makes no sence. But if it helps straighten things out, then by all means do it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 04/01/2009
- thromulese I'm a Fan of thromulese 19 fans permalink
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I watched some law enforcement official on D.L. Hughley and all he could come up with were the common lies and spin about pot being a “gateway” drug that “could” lead to other drugs.

Even he couldn’t claim that pot on it’s own was a dangerous or addictive drug.

The laws against it are insane, inhumane, and excessive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 03/30/2009
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if Webb would run in 2012, against obama, he'll get my vote. at least he has courage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 03/30/2009
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The worst thing about the anti-drug laws is that the racially-imbalanced incarceration they've caused since the 1970's are going to lead directly to the next wave of terrorism that's priming to sweep America, learn more about it at:

www.TrembleTheDevil.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 03/28/2009

I was disappointed by Obama's flip answer to this reasonable question. Obama "interrupted the M.C of the event in order to tackle the topic, simply to dismiss it" . So why even take the question if you don't intend to treat it seriously? And then his answer was lame. After insulting the posters, he simply said that it wouldn't be good policy, but didn't even bother to say why not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 03/28/2009
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 75 fans permalink
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read between the lines w12:

Obama "interrupted the M.C of the event in order to tackle the topic..." . So why even take the question...?

gobama's treatment of the subject was proactive by defusing the fear of it with dismissal.

stay tuned!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 03/28/2009
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blah blah blah. it was bs! and offensive, coming from someone i admired for 'pragmatism'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 03/30/2009
- ClarcKing I'm a Fan of ClarcKing 20 fans permalink

I don't believe the criminal systems send pot smokers to prison. I would love to see the purity and passion expressed by proponents of liberal drug laws to express the same in ridding humanity from the enslavement of drugs. Human beings can be taught/reached on a intellectu­al/emotion­al level that consumption of drugs is a detriment to the consumer and the community.
The consumer's idea of freedom has been perverted, creating puerilism, a second rate perspective. Taking liberties is not liberty. I will also ask proponents to take a look at the financial supporters of these initiatives. Unseen but not unknown are the international drug syndicates. If de-criminalization is the goal why are the International involved in its' promotion and acceptance. There is money to be made!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 03/28/2009
- Dwight5 I'm a Fan of Dwight5 4 fans permalink

Whether or not you believe it has nothing to do with it. It's a fact! As for ending the enslavement to drugs, that can't happen as long as people are threatened with imprisonment for using them. When the government stops lying about marijuana, the education and treatment of other drugs can begin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 03/28/2009
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"I don't believe the criminal systems send pot smokers to prison."

Yeah, honestly, please read the replies to your comment and then go do some research of your own.

I myself didn't think that was true either, until a family member of mine got arrested on an mj charge and I found out first hand what really goes on in my state's criminal justice system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 03/30/2009
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 36 fans permalink

http://www.sentencingproject.org/Admin/Documents/publications/dp_drugarrestreport.pdf

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/53

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/statistics.html

"The new report is noteworthy because it undermines the common claim from law enforcement officers and bureaucrats, specifically White House drug czar John Walters, that few, if any, Americans are incarcerated for marijuana-related offenses. In reality, nearly 1 out of 8 U.S. drug prisoners are locked up for pot."
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans are arrested each year for violating marijuana laws, costing taxpayers another $8 billion dollars annually in criminal justice costs."
http://www.mpp.org/states/california/news/ca/pot-prisoners-cost-americans-1.html

Do a Bit of research. You will Also discover that Dangerous Criminals are released Before Cannabis Violations Related Prisoners are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 03/28/2009
- Dwight5 I'm a Fan of Dwight5 4 fans permalink

Michael Jordan's father was killed by 2 recently released violent criminals who had to be released from our overcrowded prisons to make room for drug prisoners.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 03/28/2009

"I don't believe the criminal systems send pot smokers to prison."

Last year, a 19-year-old college student in Gainesville, Florida, was sentenced to four weekends in jail after being found guilty of "providing marijuana."

The student was placed in a jail cell with 35-year-old Randolph Jackson, who was awaiting trial for allegedly raping a Gainesville woman.

Jackson was surprisingly popular with the jail's guards. Two guards were fired for giving lenient cellblock privileges to the accused rapist, and for bringing other inmates to Jackson's cell at his request. According to police reports, Jackson raped some of those inmates, while four guards looked the other way.

On the student's first Friday night behind bars, Jackson held a weapon to the 19-year-old marijuana provider's throat, and raped him.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3581.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 03/28/2009
- Nezua I'm a Fan of Nezua 29 fans permalink
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This is a very simplistic and moralizing stance. Humans have used intoxicants since the dawn of humankind. Hammurabi's Code, our oldest known piece of writing, contains references to public drunkenness. It's not going anywhere soon. And should it? All animals intoxicate themselves—birds, bats, cats, dogs—and as human beings we play with altered states of consciousness through many channels and since we are young children. This is not to say that the issue of addiction and the harm that can be caused through it is not real. But to look at a ballooning prison population in a nation known to be overly-devoted to locking people up and claim that people are "enslaved to drugs" is really a reductive view, and one that completely misses the boat. In fact, I would stay away from recreational drugs to make that argument, as they can be used to self-medicate underlying mental issues as well as provide a spiritual component to consciousness, depending on who is using them, and how.

Nah, if I were you and wanted to make an Enslaved to Drugs argument re the US population, I would look at caffeine, zantac, zyrtec, zoloft, ambien, prozac, xanax, aspirin, tylenol, antacid and so on. I would look at the philosophy our culture sells, that for every moment of uncomfiness we need a new medicine, and can't even suffer from having "restless legs" or "general anxiety" before we go running for a new script.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 03/28/2009
- Hawaii5-0 I'm a Fan of Hawaii5-0 16 fans permalink
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You go Jim!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 03/28/2009
- Hawaii5-0 I'm a Fan of Hawaii5-0 16 fans permalink
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It is UTTER INSANITY to keep pot illegal and have all the violence and murders in our inner cities and on the border with Mexico. Didn't we learn anything from Prohibition? How many people are killed today by the Mob over alcohol turf? Zero.

Consider the cost of incarcerating an inmate for a year. We could spend half that amount retraining someone or just getting them to build housing for all the dispossessed people who are now living in tent cities; or Bushvilles as they should rightly be called. How's that for a legacy besides, "Worst President ever."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 03/28/2009
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 36 fans permalink

The Most Dangerous Element Surrounding Cannabis Are The Laws, Rules And Policies Governing It's USE!

Police are fatally shooting Medical Marijuana Patients too! And they are Rarely held accountable.
http://www.salem-news.com/tgsearch.php?tag=marijuana&offset=10
http://www.kptv.com/gooddayoregon/18874902/detail.html

http://www.mpp.org/victims/

Organ Transplant Victims All because of Ink on a Piece of paper.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/299/notransplant.shtml
http://www.komonews.com/news/18475224.html

The Most Dangerous Element Surrounding Cannabis Are The Laws, Rules And Policies Governing It's USE!
ENOUGH! Please!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 03/28/2009
- JXJASON I'm a Fan of JXJASON 10 fans permalink

Go To:

http://www.marijuanalobby.org/index.html

to sign a petition to legalize pot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 03/28/2009
- JXJASON I'm a Fan of JXJASON 10 fans permalink

Didn't Congressman Ron Paul propose legislation to allow farmers to legally grow hemp?

So how about we allow US citizens to grow pot and sell it to liquor stores, drug stores and supermarkets. Then put a state tax of 20% on the sale. We would then decriminalize it, regulate it and tax it. Everybody wins. The users don't go to jail, the sellers don't go to jail, the States gain some needed revenue and the pot will not come from Mexico, Bolivia or offshore.

I don't use pot and I will never smoke anything. However, those who want to use it should be allowed to do so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 03/28/2009
- lwaldmann I'm a Fan of lwaldmann 7 fans permalink

Obama himself brought up the issue of Pot at his last Press conference. Can you see Bush doing that? Anyway, it is a disgrace that the Prison Guard Union, the Police Union, and whoever supports these dumb ass laws, get to have a say in matters that directly affect them. Nobody, except that 20% of evangelical nut jobs, cares about pot. Cigarettes, liquor, hemi powered cars, are a lot more dangerous to America. Bad schools, think of all the teachers we could hire if we didn't need a Zillion Prison Guards.
Mexico a scene of unbelievable devastation because, Americans want drugs, and Americans want to sell guns to Mexicans. Disgraceful from where I sit, on an Island in the Pacific.

Lary Waldman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 03/28/2009
- Dwight5 I'm a Fan of Dwight5 4 fans permalink

check out the website for LEAPS, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 03/28/2009
- Nezua I'm a Fan of Nezua 29 fans permalink
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It's bigger than that. Not all about "Americans wanting drugs" or "wanting to sell guns." It has a lot to do with the same forces that cause chaos in nations like the US--namely corrupt people wanting power and doing anything to get more than their share and over many years and in many forms, from the original European invasion to America's. Mexico has been shoved into a number of untenable positions because of a certain kind of person taking advantage of many others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 03/28/2009
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 36 fans permalink

"MzLiz: Aside from my inability to believe that 1% of the American population is currently in prison, I thought this argument could be reinterpreted:"

From 2008!

"New High In U.S. Prison Numbers
Growth Attributed To More Stringent Sentencing Laws

Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 29, 2008; Page A01

More than one in 100 adults in the United States is in jail or prison, an all-time high that is costing state governments nearly $50 billion a year and the federal government $5 billion more, according to a report released yesterday."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/02/28/ST2008022803016.html
It is real and Really Frightening!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 03/28/2009
- Dwight5 I'm a Fan of Dwight5 4 fans permalink

1 in 31 Americans is in the penal system, either as an inmate, or on probation, parole, or supervised release.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 03/28/2009
- dems08 I'm a Fan of dems08 173 fans permalink
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Back in the 70's, a friend of mine was sentenced to 2 years in prison for selling about a ounce of pot to an informant.

He was let out after 7 months after several inmates held a knife to his throat and raped him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 03/28/2009
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 36 fans permalink

Since 1965 20 Million people have been arrested for Cannabis Violations. 20,000,000 Arrested and at What Cost and Harm To Families, Society?

Today, 1 in 32 Americans are connected to the Industrial Prison Complex. Wonder why they have to pull people off the streets to serve on Juries?

WE, The People have been Frightened into Allowing for the Forfeiture Of Our Freedoms by Allowing Longer, harsher Sentencing, Allowed for Things that Were Never Against the Law to Become A Punishable Offense/Felony and the Most striking Consequence? Not a Reduction in Crime! But rather A huge Boost to the Prison Industrial Complex!

In the "Land Of The Free" WE have More People IN Prison than Any Other Country in The World!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 03/28/2009
- dems08 I'm a Fan of dems08 173 fans permalink
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Privatized prisons with large populations = big bucks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 03/28/2009
- Dwight5 I'm a Fan of Dwight5 4 fans permalink

Not to mention the forfeiture of our homes, cars, boats, and other assets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 03/28/2009
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 36 fans permalink

Watch:
Cannabis Oil Cancer CURE
http://www.youtube.com/chrychek

What IF?
In 1974, the US Gov't Hid a report Demonstrating the Cancer Fighting Qualities of Cannabis and HID the report!

Watch:
Marijuana; It's Time For A Conversation from the ACLU
http://www.marijuanaconversation.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 03/28/2009
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