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Washington Post Finally Describes Waterboarding As Torture (When Someone Else Does It)

First Posted: 05/01/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:10 PM ET

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Here's some unique writing from the Washington Post, in an article about a man named Kaing Khek Lev, or "Duch," a notorious genocidaire of the Khmer Rouge, who this week took responsibility for his crimes, namely running "the Khmer Rouge's most notorious torture center, Tuol Sleng in Phnom Penh," where an "estimated 16,000 men, women and children died." Now, we've read a lot of descriptions of torture in the Washington Post, but some editor allowed reporter Tim Johnston to file an extraordinary rendition:

The prosecution described a chain of death operated by Duch. His victims -- most of whom were either disgraced members of the Khmer Rouge or their families -- were tortured with electric shocks, waterboarding or beating to extract a confession, which would implicate new victims. After confessing, the victims would be killed, most often by a sharp blow to the back of the head.


"There were autopsies carried out on live persons, there was medical experimentation, and people were bled to death: These were all crimes against humanity admitted by Duch," the prosecutors charged in the indictment. Among the four forms of torture he officially condoned, they said, was pouring water up victims' noses.

Wow. You see what Johnston did there, right? He called waterboarding "torture." He specifically called "pouring water up victims' noses"...torture.

It's a break from typical media traditions, obviously. See, when outfits like the WaPo typically talk about waterboarding, it's referred to as "a form of simulated drowning that U.S. officials had previously deemed a crime" or "harsh interrogation tactics" or an "interrogation tactic" or "harsh interrogation practices" or "a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill." But unless you are in possession of whatever gland produces honesty, like Dan Froomkin, you never, never, ever just come right out and say that waterboarding is torture.

I guess it becomes "torture" when it's being done by genocidal Communist madmen, whose political ideology lacks the beautiful exceptionalism that normally transforms an abhorrent and inhumane act into a patriotic gesture. At least I think that's the equation. I'm willing to revisit this position if, say, Ruth Marcus puts on her Inanity Cap and pens a piece about how we should give Duch a break because SURELY, when he was torturing and killing people in Phnom Penh, he was acting "not with criminal intent, but in the belief that they had grants of authority reaching to the highest levels of government."

This is a painting of the waterboarding that was perpetrated by the Khmer Rouge at Security Prison 21, which is now known as the Tuol Sleng Genocide Museum. This painting hangs there. We also did this to people. One day, maybe paintings of things that we did to people will also hang in museums. They will probably be called the "Freedom Museum Of Harsh Techniques," and will be celebrated as a whited sepulchre of self-delusion.

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Here's some unique writing from the Washington Post, in an article about a man named Kaing Khek Lev, or "Duch," a notorious genocidaire of the Khmer Rouge, who this week took responsibility for his cr...
Here's some unique writing from the Washington Post, in an article about a man named Kaing Khek Lev, or "Duch," a notorious genocidaire of the Khmer Rouge, who this week took responsibility for his cr...
 
 
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07:38 AM on 04/01/2009
Looks to me like the article has been 'sanitized for your protection.'
03:37 AM on 04/01/2009
all this complaining for a simple glass of water
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realpolitic
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11:53 PM on 03/31/2009
Yes, when we are discussiing the activities of other illegal regimes suddenly waterboarding becomes a crime again. How typical!
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11:21 PM on 03/31/2009
Stunning isn't it?

Liberal media. Sure.
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Davwbaird
Brothers and sisters of the same mother
10:30 PM on 03/31/2009
We put to death Japanese for water boarding and a number of other atrociousness for which we are guilty.
JEP57
To the right of Genghis Khan
08:34 PM on 03/31/2009
Lets change the argument from torture to taking a life. If a sociopath was holding a gun to the head of a loved one and said they were definitely going to pull the trigger, then they were taken out by a police sniper, most people would say it was justified to save an innocent life. But if the police used waterboarding to extract information on a man who admitted to putting this same victim in a chamber with only two hours of oxygen but refused to give the location, and were successful and saved them, a lot of people on this thread would say "no way". One of the reasons for this is that waterboarding is associated with Bush and Cheney who they despise. But if Obama was president for the last eight years with waterboarding taking place, then it would be: "Oh isn't Michele's dress chic?"
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SarcasticFringehead
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09:20 PM on 03/31/2009
Water boarding was developed in the years of the Spanish Inquisition in order to torture confessions out of "heretics." It has always been considered torture since then, and no amount of P.R. from the Bush administration has made it otherwise.
Torture is torture no matter what advertising friendly name you hang on it, and torturing prisoners has never been an American value. Until Bush-Cheney that is.
You are wrong about president Obama also; he would never allow water boarding.
01:23 AM on 04/01/2009
Well said!
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unitron
Reverse Chron Order never stays checked
09:26 PM on 03/31/2009
So the police don't know where this suffocation chamber is, but they know with absolute certainty that it exists, and that the missing person is ensconced there, and that the person in custody is responsible and knows the location as well as how long the missing person can survive on the air in the chamber?

Do they also know, as McLaughlin would say , to a metaphysical certainty, that the person in custody was depraved, but completely sane, and not just some nut job making it all up?
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realpolitic
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11:58 PM on 03/31/2009
It sort of sounds like the first Dirty Harry film starring Clint Eastwood!!
12:20 AM on 04/01/2009
To quote RealistDem, Jep has been watching too much 24.
07:33 PM on 03/31/2009
This is scary! Jason Linkins can't read. What he quotes as the opinion of the Washington Post is clearly a report of what was said in court.

Let's read it again, Jason: "Among the four forms of torture he officially condoned, they said, was pouring water up victims' noses" -

When the paper moves from reporting to editorializing, it makes its opinion quite clear. Typically, on 17 March, it said: "It has already been confirmed that the Bush administration subjected three high-level terrorism suspects to waterboarding, the ancient practice of simulated drowning that has long been considered torture."

Stick to the issue of opposing torture, not vilifying people on the same side of the fence for the sake of getting a story published.
07:05 PM on 03/31/2009
Magnificent post. Huff, send this in to the Pulitzer committee.
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Wood-Harp
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06:43 PM on 03/31/2009
This was one of the best, and most revealing, articles regarding Torture - and the ultimate propagandistic twists of the Orwellian Neo-cons. No matter how many times they redefined their practices, or relied on Legal Memos/Opinions (which were purposely directed, then penned, as covert covers), the realities of their despicable actions can never be erased, or ever actually be deemed Legal.

CIA Destroys Torture Videos/Tapes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhZSlE69h9M
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06:07 PM on 03/31/2009
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/188007.php

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06:35 PM on 03/31/2009
Oh, I get it. The bad guys torture too, so that means it's OK for us to do it!

I guess it's OK for us to hijack airliners and fly them into the biggest office building in Iran, right? And we should be OK with sawing people's heads off and posting the video on the Internet, huh?

Now that I understand that we can do whatever the worst people in the world do, and still feel good about ourselves, there are so many new possibilities! Think of all that stuff the Japanese did to their captives in WWII--man, we should have been doing that stuff! I bet that would have made us win the war even sooner!

/sarcasm
Torture is wrong. The fact that our enemies do it is part of why they're our enemies. Americans who torture are criminals, and should be treated as such.
05:59 PM on 03/31/2009
Great catch Jason, thank you for bringing this to attention. I toured S-21 last year, it tore my heart out. Embarrassed/saddened/ nauseous, all gross understatements of what I felt when I entered the rooms with the water-boarding on display, knowing that my country was practicing some the same tactics as the Khmer Rouge. Yup the Khmer Rouge. Feeling a little nauseous right now just thinking about that again....
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05:05 PM on 03/31/2009
torture is torture, no matter who is doing it or what their rationale...
the idea that it is worse when someone else does it because of either scale or who the victim is doesn't wash with me.
as a parent i find it imperative that i teach my children that certain actions are wrong NO MATTER WHAT.
we cannot condemn what we condone
06:31 PM on 03/31/2009
Now tell us--if your child were kidnapped by a group of non-U.S. citizens that threatened to kill your child, and you could save your child's life by pouring water down one of the kidnapper's nostrils, would you do it? If you wouldn't., I suggest you are not fit to be a parent.
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09:20 PM on 03/31/2009
You are operating under the assumption that torture works. That it is ironclad.
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wandering girl
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12:12 AM on 04/01/2009
I would only do it if you were the kidnapper.
04:43 PM on 03/31/2009
Part I

I'm not going to argue that waterb0arding isn't t0rture, but for Mr. Linkins to compare the CIA's use of this specific technique to the Khmer's robust t0rture program is the epitome of moral bankruptcy and a lascivious display of politicized logic. From the article:

"His victims -- most of whom were either disgraced members of the Khmer Rouge or their families -- were t0rtured with electric sh0cks, waterb0arding or b e a t i n g to extract a confession, which would implicate new v i c t i m s . After confessing, the victims would be k i l l e d , most often by a sharp bl0w to the back of the head."

The Khmer went far beyond waterb0arding, with more s i n i s t e r motives, which is why the application of a "t0rture" label for their sordid history would be accurate and indisputable. If the gist of Linkins' piece is to call out WaPo for its 'labeling' double standard, even there it may be inaccurate. The paper seems to be relaying what the Prosecutors in Cambodia had legally labeled t0rture ("they say"), not what the newspaper considers t0rture. It is also unclear whether the "waterb0arding" technique was applied in the same manner as the CIA did.
04:52 PM on 03/31/2009
OK so if I tie you down and pour water down your nose and throat (in addition to other acts) you will just think happy thoughts about me and put it down to my having a bad day? No harm, no foul.

What kind of sadistic self-centered world do you live in? Personally I would think someone tying me down & "simulated drowning" me is torture.
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Roguewolf
30-Year Military Veteran
05:13 PM on 03/31/2009
Your daughter is being held by kidnappers in a underground chamber and she has 12 hours of air and the police have caught one of the kidnappers but he is not talking. What would you do or want the police to do?
05:57 PM on 03/31/2009
You've been watching too much "24"--get a grip.
05:15 PM on 03/31/2009
"for Mr. Linkins to compare the CIA's use of this specific technique to the Khmer's robust t0rture program is the epitome of moral bankruptcy and a lascivious display of politicized logic. From the article:"

murder is murder, whether you kill one person or half million in the guise of spreading democracy.

torture is torture, and is not defined by the number of victims.
SantaFeConservative
Hoping for Change in 2012
04:33 PM on 03/31/2009
You people who do not see a difference with this group vs. the Bush Administration are the kooks.
04:54 PM on 03/31/2009
You are right about the glib equation of the Cambodian qovernment and the American government just because they both condoned torture; it's essentially untrue, and unnecessarily inflammatory. It is, however, interesting that the American press - as if everyone that wrote something aired in print or broadcast somehow was the same, the press - seems to have allowed its vocabulary to be warped to fit the currently politically correct standards.
04:57 PM on 03/31/2009
Granted there is a degree of scale, but torture and death is still torture and death. Especially to the dead.
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kasinca
Liberal Vietnam Veteran
04:33 PM on 03/31/2009
All of the military veterans and heroes on the Bush Crime Family, including the draft dodges and AWOL cowards, would know what torture is. They would be experts on military intelligence.