Vermont Legalizes Gay Marriage, Overrides Governor's Veto

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DAVE GRAM | April 7, 2009 10:23 PM EST | AP

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Rep. Jason Lorber, D-Burlington, right, gets a hug from Stan Baker following the passage of a gay marriage bill in Montpelier, Vt., Tuesday, April 7, 2009. Vermont has become the fourth state to legalize gay marriage. The state legislature voted Tuesday to override Gov. Jim Douglas' veto of a bill allowing gays and lesbians to marry. The vote was 23-5 to override in the state Senate and 100-49 to override in the House. Under Vermont law, two-thirds of each chamber had to vote for override. (AP Photo/Toby Talbot)

MONTPELIER, Vt. — Vermont, which invented civil unions, on Tuesday became a pioneer again as the first state to legalize gay marriage through a legislature's vote, suggesting growing popular acceptance of the idea.

The House barely achieved the votes necessary to override Gov. Jim Douglas' veto of a bill that will allow gays and lesbians to marry beginning September 1. Four states now have same-sex marriage laws and other states soon could follow suit.

Bills to allow same-sex marriage are currently before lawmakers in New Hampshire, Maine, New York and New Jersey. The three other states that currently allow same-sex marriage _ Connecticut, Massachusetts and Iowa _ each moved to do so through the courts, not legislatures.

"For a popularly elected legislature to make this decision is a much more democratic process" because lawmakers have to answer to the voters every other November, said Eric Davis, a retired Middlebury College political science professor.

Courts typically deal with arcane points of constitutional law. While legislatures debate some of the same principles, the process may become much more personal. In Vermont, some of the most gripping debate came when gay and lesbian lawmakers took to the House floor last Thursday and told their own personal love stories.

Getting gay marriage approved in a political, rather than purely legal, forum is a big step, said Boston University law professor Linda McClain, an expert on family law and policy. "What may give courage to other legislatures is that this legislature managed to do it," she said.

She added that using the civil rights language of equality _ the measure in Vermont was dubbed the marriage equality bill _ could help make gay marriage more acceptable elsewhere.

Opponents said they, too, believe activists will be emboldened in other states. The action comes just days after the Iowa Supreme court ruled that not permitting gay marriage there was unconstitutional.

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"To the millions of Americans who care about marriage, we say get ready: President Obama and Democrats will use Vermont as an excuse to overturn the bipartisan federal Defense of Marriage Act," said Brian Brown, executive director of the National Organization for Marriage, which waged a radio campaign against the measure. "The next step is to ask the Supreme Court to impose gay marriage on all 50 states."

The Defense of Marriage Act, signed into law by President Bill Clinton in 1996, defines marriage as a legal union between a man and a woman, and provides that states need not recognize the marriage of a same sex couple from another state.

To date, the same-sex marriage movement's main gains have been in New England, which some attribute to Yankee liberalism and the gradual acceptance of gay relationships after Vermont's groundbreaking civil unions law took effect in 2000.

Douglas had announced his intent to veto the gay marriage bill two weeks ago, saying he believed marriage should be limited to a man and a woman and calling the issue a distraction during a time when economic and budget issues were more important.

In Tuesday's vote, a "yes" was needed from two-thirds of those present to override the governor's veto. The goal was easily achieved in the Senate, which voted 23-5, but in the House it was much closer, 100-49.

The speaker's announcement of the results to a packed Statehouse chamber, set off whistles and cheers among supporters whose hopes had been temporarily dashed last month when the Republican governor announced he would veto the measure if it passed the Legislature.

Among the celebrants: Former state lawmaker Robert Dostis and his longtime partner, Chuck Kletecka. Dostis recalled efforts to expand gay rights dating to an anti-discrimination law passed in 1992.

"It's been a very long battle. It's been almost 20 years to get to this point," Dostis said. "I think finally, most people in Vermont understand that we're a couple like any other couple. We're as good and as bad as any other group of people."

Dostis said he and Kletecka will celebrate their 25th year together in September.

"Is that a proposal?" Kletecka asked.

"Yeah," Dostis replied. "Twenty-five years together, I think it's time we finally got married."

Craig Bensen, a gay marriage opponent who had lobbied unsuccessfully for a nonbinding referendum on the question, said his side was outspent by supporters by 20-1.

"The other side had a highly funded, extremely well-oiled machine with all the political leadership except the governor pushing to make this happen," he said. "The fact that it came down to this tight a vote is really astounding."

The measure had only 95 "yea" votes when it passed the House on Friday. But some changed their votes Tuesday.

Rep. Jeff Young, D-St. Albans, who voted no twice because he's philosophically opposed to gay marriage, joined most other Democrats in voting to override Douglas' veto.

"I think if I wanted to continue my career here and have any chance of being effective, I had to vote with my caucus," he said.

"You have some pet projects, you think you can help your district back home with things that need to happen," he said. "I want to get a railroading bill through. I wouldn't even have had a chance to testify, let alone get it through. Now, people will listen to me. It's the way the political game is played."

House Speaker Shap Smith said he didn't use any specific arguments to get lawmakers to switch. He said he had argued mainly that they should support the will of the legislative majorities on the bill's initial approvals _ 95-52 in the House and 26-4 in the Senate.

"I thought it was to some degree just a vote to recognize the work that the Legislature had done," the speaker said.

Sitting next to him was Rep. William Lippert, D-Hinesburg, a gay man who championed both the 2000 civil unions bill and this year's gay marriage legislation.

"It's been an incredibly powerful personal journey," Lippert said. "I consider it my personal great good fortune to be a member of the Vermont Legislature under the leadership of speakers who have in fact prioritized civil rights for the community of which I'm a part. It touches me deeply."

MONTPELIER, Vt. — Vermont, which invented civil unions, on Tuesday became a pioneer again as the first state to legalize gay marriage through a legislature's vote, suggesting growing popular acc...
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This is an outrage. Speaks volumes though of those
in office except the governor, who absolutely exudes
a moral code.

Creepy thinking about how many state of Vermont reps
names are Adam and Steve. Makes me want to puke.
Being Gay or Lesbian is one thing, bringing God into
it is all together different. All these groups do is to want
to take control of government and disavow what the
Christian moral minded person thinks or feels.

No state in the union should allow same sex marriage. In
face the government should stay out of it period. It's an
absolute abomination to allow this. Sickening at best.

Surely that which was done, can be undone,and I would be one
of the first to push the governor to fight this abomination.

It is not a proud day when those in office step all over the
Constitution and forget about those who really do care.

We have states that have lost all the basics and we have a
government that wants to take over. We have a supposed
leader who is nothing more then a suit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 04/24/2009

Way to go Vermont!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 04/09/2009
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The Mormons actions regarding Proposition is another in the list of sins for which the Mormons must atone

Brigham Young their second president and "prophet" most certainly ordered the wholesale slaughter of pioneers at Mountain Meadows under pretense of escorting them through hostile Indian territory, and then accuse the Indians of the slaughter. For sheer brutality, it's difficult to find an act in American history that surpasses this heinous, despicable, cowardly act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

John Taylor the church's third president and "prophet" said that black people were Satan's
representatives on Earth. I don't think he could ever conceive of a Barack Obama presidency.
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/blacks_representative.htm

Unfortunately, for the Mormons once they understand the true significance of DNA evidence, will realize that same sex marriage is the least of their problems. Regarding other churches the Mormons have a saying - "You can't cut a live branch from a dead tree." Regarding the Mormon church, I have my own saying - "You can't build a true church from a foundation of lies." Only truth survives the crucible of time. The millions of hours of testimony, the countless mission, the unending temple building won't change this. Magical stones, magical underwear, new books of scripture none of it will refute the simple elegant truth of DNA. JOSEPH SMITH LIED.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 04/09/2009
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Dear H.P.,

Why did you go back and delete so many of my comments that were once here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 04/08/2009

Part 2:

When the European colonists arrived in North America, they strongly condemned two-spirit roles, and the tradition nearly died out. Many Native Americans today condemn gender blending and same-sex relationships, unaware that their culture accepted them. Fortunately there are also many Natives who are reclaiming these traditions. Here is the website of the NorthEast Two-Spirit Society: http://www.ne2ss.org

There have been other cultures around the world, that, in pre-colonial times, had also accepted same-sex relationships and/or gender blending. Native Americans were not the only ones.

Peace.

PS: I am not Native American

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 04/08/2009
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Anthropologist used the term berdache for this pervasive phenomena. However that term is now considered perjorative. It seems that Every place that Europeans settled they brought their religion and hostility with them and forced condemnation with them. Of course, even in Europe homosexuality was acceptable pre-Christianity. Although, homosexuality has existed throughout human history, the way that it exist in the Western nations is relatively new. Homosexuality may exist in the most repressive religious regimes, but it's not even recognized simply because the pattern is different. Brokeback Mountain also spoke truth, homosexuality most certainly existed in the wild, wild west. And the truth was just as in Brokeback Mountain - Ennis del Mar was willing to do everything with Jack Twist but set up a household. The absolutely peculiar truth is that many of those who are in opposition to same sex marriage, may be reasonably certain that their neighbor or their child is gay, but are perfectly happy ignoring it, as long as they don't actually have to acknowledge it - kind of like don't ask, don't tell. How stupid is that. In fact a lot of church goers may not have to look any further than their choir director.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 04/08/2009

People will use history to argue that homosexuality is a new thing and that same-sex marriage has never been accepted. They couldn't be more wrong. Our society is silencing the past. The victories in Iowa and Vermont represent a return to freedom and fairness. Kudos to all who helped them happen!

I just finished doing a long research paper on Native American two-spirits. In many tribes, including the Lakota, the Illionis, and the Navajo, there were more than two gender categories. Biological females often took on male dress and social roles and males took on female dress and social roles if they showed interest. These are now referred to as "two-spirits," or people who were positively said to embody the spirit of both male and female. The most important part of two-spirit identity was spirituality. Two-spirits often had special ceremonial, religious, and community roles. They (sarcastic GASP) helped raise the tribes' children.

Two-spirits, although different in many ways from self-identified LGBT people today, often engaged in accepted relationships with a non-two-spirited member of the same sex. Some tribes allowed same-sex marriages. However, because two-spirits were considered to be different genders from masculine males and feminine females, these relationships, despite being same-sex, were viewed as different-gender. Two-spirits also often engaged in opposite-sex relationships, or no sexual relationships at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/08/2009

Wow, leave it to Vermont and Iowa to be the most progressive states these days. We in California should be ashamed we voted for Prop 9. โ€œMarriageโ€ is just a man made term and carries very little weight these days. Look at the high divorce rate and the level of infidelity, what does marriage really stand for. Whether you call it Gay Marriage or Civil Union, the basic premise is that every person should have equal rights. Itโ€™s good to see that some states are progressing, I made a list on my site of the states I think will legalize Gay Marriage first: http://www.toptentopten.com/topten/first+states+that+will+legalize+gay+marriage

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 04/08/2009
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Prop. "9"?

You're from CA?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 04/08/2009
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SO proud of Vermont!!!!

Once again at the forefront:
First with civil unions.
First with marriage equality by legislation -- and even a super-majority!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 04/08/2009
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----- > GO VERMONT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 AM on 04/08/2009
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So proud of my state. I picture progression on this issue in most states w/i the next 20 years... barring the most southern of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 AM on 04/08/2009
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No offense. But straight people wanting to make discrimination "LAW" should ****manage their own house.*** If I get one more "straight" "married" guy hitting me up on my Craigslist ad for an LTR wanting sex I'm going to barf. If you guys only knew what goes on the "DL."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 AM on 04/08/2009
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Way to go Vermont. Iowa and Vermont within a week of each other? Simply wonderful. It's a great time to push forward equality for all in America. NJ, NY, NH, MA get to step up next. Pardon me while I go call my NJ State Senator and Congressmen and tell them to vote for Equal Marriage for All or get a new job next election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 04/08/2009
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Sad day for Vermont!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 04/08/2009
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Why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 04/08/2009
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Lemme guess. Dogs will marry now? Your children will "turn" gay? It will effect your marriage 'cause your husband will now be more inclined to "take it" on Craigslist? Grow up people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 AM on 04/08/2009

No, it's a sad day for bigotry, which I guess means it's a sad day for you.

Does it ever make you a little sad that future generations are going to look at you in the same way people today look at cross burning Klan members?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 AM on 04/08/2009
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So... What happened to the activist judges? Gay marriage was passed in Vermont democratically.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 04/07/2009
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Heh, I'm sure they'll trip over themselves trying to overturn this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 04/07/2009
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I'm sure right wingers are arming themselves right this moment with yet another soon-to-be-nauseatingly-overused term.

Any bets on "legislative tyranny"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 04/08/2009
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They can make up all they want, they've already lost. In the future, these people will look like all those people who prevented interracial marriage to occur.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 04/08/2009
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Well, Vermont now throws the "judicial activism" pretense out the window but I think they've shown in the case of Al Franken that when they can't get their way it amounts to democratic tyranny. They're quite prepared to skip the legislative tyranny step, it seems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 04/08/2009

If heterosexual marriage is so sacred and need protecting and all, why do straight people keep using it as a means to have gay kids?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 04/07/2009
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It is because of the pthalates in the plastic we use, and of course more people are drinking at the well of wierd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 04/08/2009
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Must affect spelling, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 04/08/2009
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