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How Much Does Smoking Cost Society?

ERICA WERNER   04/ 7/09 08:01 PM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — Smoking takes years off your life and adds dollars to the cost of health care. Yet nonsmokers cost society money, too _ by living longer.

It's an element of the debate over tobacco that some economists and officials find distasteful.

House members described huge health care costs associated with smoking as they approved landmark legislation last week giving the Food and Drug Administration authority to regulate tobacco products. No one mentioned the additional costs to society of caring for a nonsmoking population that lives longer.

Supporters of the FDA bill cited figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that smokers cost the country $96 billion a year in direct health care costs, and an additional $97 billion a year in lost productivity.

A White House statement supporting the bill, which awaits action in the Senate, echoed the argument by contending that tobacco use "accounts for over a $100 billion annually in financial costs to the economy."

However, smokers die some 10 years earlier than nonsmokers, according to the CDC, and those premature deaths provide a savings to Medicare, Social Security, private pensions and other programs.

Vanderbilt University economist Kip Viscusi studied the net costs of smoking-related spending and savings and found that for every pack of cigarettes smoked, the country reaps a net cost savings of 32 cents.

"It looks unpleasant or ghoulish to look at the cost savings as well as the cost increases and it's not a good thing that smoking kills people," Viscusi said in an interview. "But if you're going to follow this health-cost train all the way, you have to take into account all the effects, not just the ones you like in terms of getting your bill passed."

Viscusi worked as a litigation expert for the tobacco industry in lawsuits by states but said that his research, which has been published in peer-reviewed journals, has never been funded by industry.

Other researchers have reached similar conclusions.

A Dutch study published last year in the Public Library of Science Medicine journal said that health care costs for smokers were about $326,000 from age 20 on, compared to about $417,000 for thin and healthy people.

The reason: The thin, healthy people lived much longer.

Willard Manning, a professor of health economics and policy at the University of Chicago's Harris School of Public Policy Studies, was lead author on a paper published two decades ago in the Journal of the American Medical Association that found that, taking into account tobacco taxes in effect at the time, smokers were not a financial burden to society.

"We were actually quite surprised by the finding because we were pretty sure that smokers were getting cross-subsidized by everybody else," said Manning, who suspects the findings would be similar today. "But it was only when we put all the pieces together that we found it was pretty much a wash."

Such conclusions are controversial since they assign an economic benefit to premature death. U.S. government agencies shy away from the calculations.

The goal of the U.S. health care system is "prolonging disability-free life," states the 2004 Surgeon General's report on the health consequences of smoking. "Thus any negative economic impacts from gains in longevity with smoking reduction should not be emphasized in public health decisions."

Dr. Terry Pechacek, the CDC associate director for science in the office on smoking and health, said that data seeking to quantify economic benefits of smoking couldn't capture all the benefits associated with longevity, like a grandparent's contribution to a family. Because of such uncertainties the CDC won't put a price tag on savings from smoking.

"The natural train of logic that follows from that is that then anybody that's admitted around age 65 or older that's showing any signs of sickness should be denied treatment," Pechacek said. "That's the cheapest thing to do."

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WASHINGTON — Smoking takes years off your life and adds dollars to the cost of health care. Yet nonsmokers cost society money, too _ by living longer. It's an element of the debate over tobacco...
WASHINGTON — Smoking takes years off your life and adds dollars to the cost of health care. Yet nonsmokers cost society money, too _ by living longer. It's an element of the debate over tobacco...
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Hopalongpoppyseed
May you reap what you sow.
12:33 AM on 04/12/2009
Smoking is a bad thing, that's for sure, but I think these claims of the costs are puffed up.
12:39 PM on 04/11/2009
Smoking will cause harm, not a matter of if, simply a matter
of .w.h.e.n.? Smokers in denial will insist others believe in their
denial over an unwise choice to consume tobacco products.

My father (a non-smoker­, no longer living) was a Pathologis­t.
I spent a lot of time in the lab with him, studying & learning
first hand from a master and expert in the field. Others can
speak many steps removed about surveys and studies.
My father tried to educate and scare me - IT WORKED!

I have first-hand accounts, saw with my own eyes diseased
destroyed tissues, subsequent to smoking. YES! second hand
smoke IS nearly as bad . . .

I saw / touched / studied lung cancers, emphysema, heart
disease, (sp) atheroscle­rotic plaques (wax like build up) in the
arteries and vascular networks, the effects ALL exacerbate­d
by smoking . . .

My mother smoked, I had roommates and co-workers that smoked;
I had severe asthma and recurrent bronchitis until my late 20s when
they banned smoking in my office and I avoided all forms of second
hand smoke. It took a couple of years to reverse the damage or
trauma associated with routine exposure. I know first hand . . .

Smokers continue to smoking if you so choose . . . I don't get it
NON Smokers N E V E R consider or pick-up the dangerous
habit and avoid ALL COSTS associated with it.
01:32 AM on 04/11/2009
I don't know how much it costs society, but here in Chicago it costs me about 9.50 for a pack of Parliament Lights. If it weren't so smooth, sexy, and satisfying­, I'd almost think it wasn't worth it anymore.
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VJSleight
Tobacco Treatment Specialist
02:09 PM on 04/10/2009
There are just too many things wrong with this assumption­. The Viscusi report was from 1994. many diseases that killed you them are now being treated chronicall­y and the cost per person for health care has doubled in that time. You can't compare health care costs in Denmark to the US--which has the highest cost of any industrize­d nation.

http://www­.examiner.­com/examin­er/x-4742-­LA-Smoking­-Examiner~y2009m4d1­0-Do-non-s­mokers-who­-live-long­er-cost-so­ciety-more­-than-smok­ers-who-di­e-younger
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Cynth
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01:14 PM on 04/10/2009
There is also an emotional cost to smoking. My father died of cancer and my mother is recovering from bladder cancer surgery (living without a bladder is life altering). Both were smokers for decades, and the biggest contributi­ng factor to their diseases is smoking. How do you put a price on their suffering and the emotional and economic toll it can put on their loved ones as they witness the ordeals or put their lives on hold to help them recover or fight the disease?
11:15 AM on 04/10/2009
I have to post a comment on this.

It seems to me that this article is about the fairness of the taxation on tobacco. This is a tax on the minority, so naturally the majority is all in favor of it and will ignore anything that doesn't support their point of view. I can't do anything about that and you nonsmokers will have your way.

Now I will accept that smoking is a nasty habit, but nicotine is a drug that has gotten me through a lot of really terrible and stressful times. So I'm weak you say. Maybe your are right and I guess I will be punished for it -------- again.

I do like the smoking sections though. The people are way friendlier there. And I don't litter unlike a lot of candy eaters and gum chewers apparently­.
09:27 AM on 04/10/2009
an us and them blog - clearly divided

sad
09:16 AM on 04/10/2009
The infuriatin­g thing to me is that no one EVER talks about the social cost of alcohol use, and no one ever suggests hiking taxes to cover these costs. Put aside the obvious cost of treating alcohol-re­lated disease and just consider the cost of police and social services interventi­on in alcohol-re­lated domestic violence and child abuse, the increase in insurance costs shouldered by other drivers for alcohol-re­lated accidents, the cost to the justice system to prosecute these crimes, etc. But this is the least of it. Something like 80% of ALL crimes are committed under the influence of alcohol, and our prisons are full of inmates who committed their crimes while drunk. What about the cost of supporting families who have lost a head of household in a drunk-driv­ing "accident,­" or those whose breadwinne­r is in prison. My guess is that lawmakers like their booze a bit too much, or are getting too much money from the liquor lobby, for anyone to address this far more expensive "social cost."
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HoneyBQuick
Be who you are and say what you feel.
04:44 PM on 04/15/2009
Because if we talked about the cost of alcohol consumptio­n, the self-satis­fied non-smoker­s on here who most likely drink, would have to climb down off of their high horses.

And no one wants to see that happen... except those of us who they keep pi$$ing on.
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08:47 AM on 04/10/2009
Not nearly enough, Limpaugh sucks on something all the time and he seems to be getting to the microphone to riun his mouth without pause..
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imfedup
Fight the lies.
07:41 AM on 04/10/2009
I am speechless at the idiocy of this argument.
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06:58 AM on 04/10/2009
Seems like smoking (and every other personal choice) are now fair game for political action. This used to be a free country but now, well not so much. I wonder what happened to bring about this change in our thought processes? Freedom as defined by others is not really freedom is it?
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Jeanette Ponder
05:23 PM on 04/09/2009
What I hate about smoking is the litter. So much litter. Smokers throwing butts on the street so that others can step on them, disposing of cellophane and foil wherever they please...i­t's gross. Insanely gross. Sure, everyone creates trash, and many non-smoker­s and smoker litter with other items, but cigarette litter is exclusive to one group - smokers.

At Liberty Science Center over here in Jersey, they have a plastic box filled with the accumulate­d butts from a smoker smoking one pack a day. Out of anything in that place, that exhibit makes me want to vomit.

Why is it your right to make our sidewalks and green areas unsightly again? Is it that hard to throw butts and refuse in the trash? I guess it is.

Go ahead and smoke...bu­t at least keep it clean :P
01:53 AM on 04/10/2009
Finally, a sensible person on HP... I am a smoker and make it a point to walk out of the way of children if a cig is in my hand and throw my butts in a trashcan or ashtray (after it's out of course)... I only wish people wouldn't be so judgmental over something other countries do MORE of (check my other posts below) but whose avg lifespans are longer and whose ppl have less cancer than us...
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ConfuciusSay-
Aglets: their purpose is sinister.
04:59 PM on 04/09/2009
If it costs more to keep people alive, then wars ought to be encouraged as good for the economic benefit.
Maybe reducing health care costs is more rational.
04:07 PM on 04/09/2009
There are good reasons to discourage smoking and to be concerned about the very bad effects of smoking on health. But it is not true that a decrease in smoking will lead to government saving's in healthcare­. There is no need for proponents of good health to lie about this issue.

At the same time, it would be unconscion­able to favor increased smoking on economic grounds, and no one is doing so.
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imfedup
Fight the lies.
07:47 AM on 04/10/2009
Did you read the article? $96 billion in direct healthcare costs and $97 billion in lost productivi­ty. How do you read that and maintain that a decrease in smoking will not lead to government savings in healthcare­?
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Counterglow
Werner Heisenberg may have been right.
08:42 AM on 04/11/2009
Briefly, (forgive the oversimpli­fication) it works like this: The diseases that kill smokers tend to hit around retirement age, and they tend to kill relatively quickly. So just at the point when they'd quit contributi­ng to the economic and health care systems and start taking more out of them, the smoker is more likely to die. .

Fundamenta­lly healthy people who come down with chronic diseases (Alzheimer­'s, for example) can cause a huge drain on the system because they may require care for many, many years.

The economics are clear. The decision on what to do about smoking, however, isn't just economic, but moral and ethical.
12:13 PM on 04/09/2009
The CHOICE to smoke cost too much.
No arguing the ravages of smoking regardless
which side of the fence is chosen to stand on.

I see the smokers being understand­ably defensive
those posting non-smoker­s here being logical
defending their right not to smoke - e v e r
Not to breath second hand smoke - e v e r
NOT to pay for others RIGHT TO SMOKE.

Please count me out of health care cost
associate to this chosen habit.
01:49 AM on 04/10/2009
Lol "ravages" of smoking...

Check your facts... Japan/Denm­ark/many other countries have MANY more smokers per population than here in the U.S. but guess what... their avg life spans are LONGER and they have LOWER lung cancer rates... KAPLOW

take that self-right­eous-semi-­google-edu­cated-cont­rol-freaks­... do your own research and stop being so gullible and listening to those anti-tobac­co "friends" of yours who are chasing federal money (i.e. your tax money for their non-workin­g programs) (and yes I know big tobacco is guilty too of the same but 2 wrongs make a big big wrong)
02:41 PM on 04/10/2009
THANK YOU! as a non-smoker myself for more than a decade I am still sick and tired of seeing smokers doing NOTHING ILLEGAL, nothing to harm others (second hand smoke fears are the results of BOGUS JUNK SCIENCE), and yet being treated like lepers in society. Now they are going to be taxed to the point of causing real financial harm within families that have to support a smoker's habit. Great! Just what we need, an unconstitu­tional tax targeting one specific group above all others....

Is this REALLY the USA??