Tea Party Fallout: Independents Turned Off, Some GOPers Worried

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It's been two days now since angry conservatives hosted a series of tea parties across the country, and the fallout has some Republicans nervous.

While the anti-tax sentiment of the protests may have been sincere, the images pulled from the events have often been offensive, embarrassing, or politically problematic.

It is a development that has tripped up the GOP before. The rallies outside McCain-Palin events included some of the same bile that was seen at the tea parties: charges of fascism, terrorism and other malicious criticisms leveled at Barack Obama. And it did the Republican ticket little good in its efforts to bring moderate voters to the cause.

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Not everyone sees the connection. But some Republicans and Independents do view the fallout between the tea parties and the McCain-Palin rallies in a similar way: bad for the GOP.

"It is not clear-cut that the tea-party phenomena helps the GOP, unless they have a specific measure or policy (like Prop. 13 in 1978, and income tax cuts after that) to coalesce around," said Steven Hayward, a scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. "Right now it reminds me a bit of the free-floating 'angry moderates' of 1992 who fueled the Ross Perot candidacy, and that is the hazard for Republicans I think. I think the crazies at the rallies are a problem, but probably out of proportion (they always get the media attention) to the real breadth of sentiment underneath, which I think is largely authentic."

Self-professed middle-of-the-road political types were even more biting in their critiques.

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"My own sense that is I don't see anything going on that is good for Republicans," said Doug Bailey, a longtime Republican consultant who helped co-found the centrist reform movement Unity08. "I just don't get it. It may be, and I don't doubt this, that there is a large segment of the American public that can and is riled up about taxes and can be riled up about one thing or another. But a large segment, in terms of numbers, doesn't amount to a couple hundred people demonstrating in Washington or wherever. That's a non-event ... Nobody likes taxes. So, of course, I'm sympathetic myself. I might throw a tea bag myself. But the fact is, that it is particularly ineffective for the Republican Party when it is Rush Limbaugh and the likes stirring it up. That just doesn't speak to the middle."

Of course, because the series of nationwide tea parties were geared towards a specific day (Tax Day), the political ramifications of the events seem naturally limited. "Those tea parties will be long forgotten by, oh, say tomorrow," said Stu Rothenberg, of the Rothenberg Political Report. "Do you really think that next November, when people go to the polls, the April 15 tea parties will be on their minds?"

That said, plans are in place for a next wave of protests in July. More significantly, as the GOP continues to stake their future on a wave of populist anger at the government and economy (witness: Texas Gov. Rick Perry talking about secession), the likelihood only increases that the most vocal and offensive elements of that anger will come to personify the party.

"Cons[ervatives are] finding out why I generally don't like protests on my side," Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsos said in a post-tea party tweet. "[T]hey bring out the wackos."

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It's been two days now since angry conservatives hosted a series of tea parties across the country, and the fallout has some Republicans nervous. While the anti-tax sentiment of the protests may ha...
It's been two days now since angry conservatives hosted a series of tea parties across the country, and the fallout has some Republicans nervous. While the anti-tax sentiment of the protests may ha...
 
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- Clayton139 I'm a Fan of Clayton139 25 fans permalink
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These people are GOP-Republican - FOX News wing-nuts !
None if, any make $250,000 or more !

If it is not about political party then it was the last 8 years of the Bush Administration that put us from a surplus to this deficit Meltdown !

Plus, why was all the signs regarding racist remarks and more, towards the best guy (Obama) to pull us out of the FOX News and George Bush mess !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 04/21/2009
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If Glenn Beck is seriously hoping for these wackjobs to behave on 9/12 he's sadly mistaken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 04/21/2009
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. The American people are waking up to the facts:

- Illegal warrantless surveillance and wiretapping of American citizens will continue under Obama.

- Top Bush administration officials who ordered torture and those that carried it out will be protected from prosecution under Obama.

- Top Bush administration officials who deceived America into a war will be protected from prosecution under Obama.

- The expansion of the military empire through continued occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and further military incursions into Pakistan will continue and expand under Obama.

- Banker bailouts, reckless spending, inflation of currency through overprinting and global regulations stifling the free market, all of which were initiated under Bush, will continue under Obama.

- The militarization of the United States and the architecture of the police state that was set up under Bush will be preserved and expanded under Obama.

- The attack on the second amendment right to bear arms will continue under Obama.

The egregious spending will continue, government will balloon in size, American soldiers will be used as cannon fodder for more interventionist wars of the military-industrial complex, U.S. citizens will continue to have their phone calls tapped and their rights curtailed and the Federal Reserve will continue to rule the financial system with an iron fist while the middle class is squeezed out of existence.

Who can deny that all those things have only intensified under the Obama administration?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 04/21/2009

"The attack on the second amendment right to bear arms will continue"? LOL Please, tell me more about the assault on our precious right to pack heat. What--the fact that you can't concealed-carry in National Parks any longer is a grave threat to your personal liberty? Hogwash.

We just got back from a visit to London, and I can't begin to explain how nice it was to be able to walk among the city's streets with nary a passing thought as to whether my fellow pedestrians might be packing. Over here, we can't even ban assault weapons. It's ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 04/21/2009
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Go live in London. You seriously don't belong here and you have no idea what our Constitution represents or why the 2nd Amendment is so vital to our way of life.

So the fact that gun control increases crime doesn't bother you?
Did you know the police in the UK did not carry guns until after the gun ban when gun crimes increased?
Did you know that there has never been an incident in the history of the world of a gun killing or even injuring anybody?
If you criminalize guns then only criminals will have guns.
Please do some research. I could fill this entire blog on what you don't know about gun issues.

I'm just glad gun sales have gone crazy. The more guns we have the safer we are.

If you're ever home during a burglary then be prepared to for ever regret not protecting your family. Go here to Gun Control and research the facts http://restoreourrights.blogspot.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 04/21/2009
- DBtv I'm a Fan of DBtv 30 fans permalink
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I can deny all those things.

This sort of reactionary hyperbole is the exact thing opening the eyes of the sane people in the country to the realities of the republick partisan extremism.

Are you ever even remotely in touch with reality?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 04/21/2009
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Denying facts will keep your outlook limited to the bs you're being fed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 04/21/2009
- bagelmaven I'm a Fan of bagelmaven 17 fans permalink

GOOD they SHOULD be worried. They are gone, they are empty, they are IDIOTS and people see how stupid the Republican party is and what it has wrought. It is a SHAM for the ultra rich and NO ONE BUT NO ONE should make any mistage about it. Limbaugh is NOT NOT NOT about you out there in middle classs land. You may WANT to be like him although given his character I cannot understand why, but let's say you may WANT to have his money. Chances are you will NOT. He has his money because he got LUCKY. Big bucks like that is MOSTLY about luck and somewhat let's say a LITTLE about effort.

People like Oprah, Limbaugh, O'Reilly etc. got LUCKY and yes they put some effort into it too but mostly it's LUCK. Gates, Stepehen Hawking, Richard Dawkins and people like William Buckley, Gore Vidal, Christopher Hitches got there from shear BRAINS. MOST do NOT have intelligence like that. Most of us are in the middle and the Republican party is NOT about us. It's really not even about them if you think about it. Without a middle class or people at the bottom who will cut their lawns and service their way of life? Republicans are NOT about you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 04/21/2009
- annecros I'm a Fan of annecros 4 fans permalink

Ah, the numbers are here!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics2/51_view_tea_parties_favorably_political_class_strongly_disagrees

Rasmussen:

51% have a favorable view of the Tea Parties, 34% very favorable. One in four people personally know someone who attended a Tea Party.

Get this: 54% of Mainstream Democrats have a favorable view of the Tea Parties (a couple of those must have voted for Obama).

The Political Class, a tiny minority, is the only demographic with an unfavorable view.

Steep on that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 AM on 04/21/2009
- Ginger5 I'm a Fan of Ginger5 3 fans permalink

It was a colorless display of anti-intel­lectualism­. see you in 2012 for another trouncing

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 04/21/2009
- annecros I'm a Fan of annecros 4 fans permalink

Nah, you'll see me on July 4.

And in 2010, both parties will see all of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 04/21/2009
- CentralVA I'm a Fan of CentralVA 10 fans permalink

The Tea Party I attended was anything but anti-intellectual. The atmosphere was non-partisan and there was lots of discussion about how to make government more effective and efficient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 04/21/2009

That implies that anyone on the fringes of the Republican party gives one whit about coming off as "intellectual". This is the party that attempted to demonize the word "elite", remember? I don't think you're going to find too many people at those rallies making arguments much beyond "stop printing money!"

The best thing the rest of the nation can do is just continue to quietly and purposefully move in the opposite direction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 04/21/2009
- julia23 I'm a Fan of julia23 27 fans permalink
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There were only 250,000 people at the Tea parties, and many were related (children). So they must have been the most popular people in the USA if 1 in 4 knew someone.

250,000/360,000,000 = a very, very, very small number of Americans were there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 04/21/2009
- annecros I'm a Fan of annecros 4 fans permalink

Even 538 has attendance in excess of 300k, but then they stopped counting:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/tea-party-nonpartisan-attendance.html

They didn't include the protest I attended, which was estimated by the police and local media at between 2k and 3k.

Yep pretty popular people. Makes sense in a populist movement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 04/21/2009
- DBtv I'm a Fan of DBtv 30 fans permalink
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False.

Self delusional.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 04/21/2009
- annecros I'm a Fan of annecros 4 fans permalink

Who, Rasmussen?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 04/21/2009
- joeyfoto I'm a Fan of joeyfoto 50 fans permalink
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While this "tea party" began as the Libertarian grass roots protest against the unmanageable scale of government and the corrosive erosion of individual rights. No one who looks at the facts can deny that there is room for those voices in the choir of complaints that is American political life. Our government is very large and, in many areas, not very well managed; our individual rights have become illusory vestiges of the rights that our parents had. We are open to invasion by any number of government agencies for a variety of reasons, all of which lead to routine abuse.

While that's all true it does not describe the bulk of the tea-baggers on the street. Most of what I saw was anger of the free-floating sort that casts around for a cause. That anger was generally expressed in pre-fab categories ginned-up by talk-radio and Fox News, that prey upon the angst of people at the mercy of economic forces they do not understand; the sort of anger that strikes out with simplistic answers.

At the bottom of this stagnant pond of festering citizenship is rage that a black man could be elected president and anger, in the end, that President Obama is not a Republican. Looks like they'll have eight years to stew in that juice. This is impotent rage unless the stimulus fails. If this funk slips into global depression, mindless-rage can fill cool uniforms. We'll see...jt

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 AM on 04/21/2009
- CentralVA I'm a Fan of CentralVA 10 fans permalink

joeyfoto: I think you are wrong about the dominant mood of the Tea Parties. I saw energy and engagement, and not much anger. What anger I did see had a clear target: unresponsive and financially irresponsible government.

And note that there were no reports of violence or arrests. Surely crowds in the grip of "anger of the free-floating" sort are unlikely to be peaceful.

You might look at the pictures and videos posted on instapundit.com of Tea Parties all across the country. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 04/21/2009
- julia23 I'm a Fan of julia23 27 fans permalink
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I watched the videos and got the impression the crowds were full of angry, uniformed people who had a personal bias and not much importance to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 04/21/2009
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The Republican party deserves to be banished forever. They have totally discredited themselves with the American public. The party is been over-run with extremists. They have no sense of vision or direction for the country. They wander about the streets like drunken men in a brawl. They lost the culture war that they started. They were absolutely crushed in the last two election cycles. They probably should just disband into a number of smaller parties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 AM on 04/21/2009
- Joseph A. Palermo - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Joseph A. Palermo 406 fans permalink

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/its-not-torture-if-you-us_b_188942.html

It makes sense the Tea Baggers would alienate some folks, their hatred of Obama was palpable in Sacramento.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 04/20/2009
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You look like you could use a good Tea Bagging!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 AM on 04/21/2009
- DBtv I'm a Fan of DBtv 30 fans permalink
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So, you are also homophobic?

And you admit the pathetically ironic verb describing your "movement".

Dude, you are a satire of yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 04/21/2009
- CentralVA I'm a Fan of CentralVA 10 fans permalink

Joseph Palermo: I'm sorry to hear there were some bad actors in Sacramento. I hope you will recognize that the vast majority of those involved in the Tea Parties are motivated by concern for their country, not animosity toward particular individuals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 04/21/2009
- DBtv I'm a Fan of DBtv 30 fans permalink
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Self delusion is funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 04/21/2009
- cheetah1 I'm a Fan of cheetah1 8 fans permalink

Why would anyone have a problem with Americans protesting high taxes and big spending by the government? This website provides an good anlaysis
http://www.thebarackobamawatch.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 04/20/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 106 fans permalink

Here's why:
The Dems left the GOP a $150 billion budget SURPLUS for the 2001 budget year. They had finally gotten the economy out of the crapper, turned around the deficits, and were talking about paying the massive federal debt - which was about $5.7 tril when Bushy walked in. After Bush left, it's now past $11 tril. Bush DOUBLED the debt - which had taken over 200 years to build up - in a mere 8 years. He fudged the numbers and left Obama a $1.3 trillion deficit for 2009 budget. That is a record by far.

So you, and folks like you, are blaming this fiscal disaster on the very people who were against the horrible policies of the GOP that caused this massive economic crisis. This debt was almost entirely created by GOP administrations, and if you don't believe me - you can look it up. Dems always knock it down when they get in there. People like me are tired of the nonsense. We're tired of phony outrage at the wrong people. Watching all you tea baggers bark up the wrong tree is pathetic and infuriating. Get a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 04/20/2009
- Clayton139 I'm a Fan of Clayton139 25 fans permalink
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Well said ! ! !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 04/20/2009
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not really . Clinton also "fudged" the numbers.

mises.org/story/542

:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 04/20/2009
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and Obama has already increased the debt by more than Bush did in his entire 8 years. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 04/20/2009
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btw, I am not a Bush supporter, just pointing out the facts.

Ron Paul 2012! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 04/20/2009
- julia23 I'm a Fan of julia23 27 fans permalink
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The thing the country thought was funny was the people protesting OBAMA about BUSH's taxes. Obama was just elected less than 100 days ago, in case you forgot. The protesters seemed to have forgotten.

I did not see one Anti-Bush sign, yet Bush got us into this mess. Taxes are going DOWN on Obama's watch for most of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 04/21/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 106 fans permalink

One final bit of irony for these geniuses.

A reporter brought up the fact that most of these Tea Parties were held in public parks.

Public Parks are funded by taxpayer dollars.

Doh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 04/20/2009
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!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 04/20/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 106 fans permalink

Who can deny that the GOP is the biggest threat to the peace and prosperity of the people of the USA and the world?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 04/20/2009

This is getting better - the more people I have spoken with who attended this peaceful and nonviolent protests are all geared up because many narrow minded individuals cannot get the race card out of their minds! Many of those protesting did vote for Obama and now to be called racist because they have the gall to speak their mind is backfiring. They voted for Obama in the hopes of change and now they do not like what is happening, they are expressing their discontent. But to call people names and accuse them of being racists, well that will hurt in 2012.

No one I know who has supported obama will re-elect him being called racist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 04/20/2009

How are these protests nonviolent and peaceful? If anything they are hate mongering and incediary. The "teabag" protests were intended to bring out false populist rage by people who are hardly populists. The people of Fox News, and people like Rush Limbaugh have nothing in common with the people protesting, you arent even close to their tax bracket. But what they were able to do was play up your fears, and play up doubts in the bigots. So what you go from the tea parties was an intelligent peaceful deplay of a counter point. What you got was zealots and hateful human beings angry over things that they know very little about but fueled on by their own predjudices. The most telling thing about these "events" was that they didn't happen last year or the year before or the year before. Bush ran up the debt, where were these protests then? No where because Fox news loved Bush and had no desire to see their rich anchors and luntatics taxed more. All these "tea parties" did was bring the hypocrisy of the right wing to public attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 04/20/2009
- CentralVA I'm a Fan of CentralVA 10 fans permalink

Tybris: there were no reports of violence at the Tea Parties. And by all accounts, the vast bulk of the rhetoric was in no way incendiary.

As for Bush running up the debt: of course he did, and many objected to his actions. But you know that the debt incurred by the new administration, together with the debt that the administration's budget plan contemplates, will lead to a total national debt that will dwarf what Bush did. That is why you see protests now. If Obama were "only" running deficits of Bushian magnitude that Bush, I think there would be grumbling, but citizens would not be gathering for public protests.

If you want to know more, click on the following chart produced by the nonpartisan CBO:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 04/20/2009
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If you can show me ONE Obama supporter, or former supporter, who attended a teabag rally, I will eat my hat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 04/20/2009
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My neighbors are/were Obama supporters, and they came to our local Tea Party here in Kalamazoo MI. My husband also votes democrat, he had never voted for any other party until this past election (and no he didn't vote for Mccain) He was a Hilary supporter throughout much of the campaign last year...and he was with me at the Tea Party.

Like it or not, the Tax Day Tea Parties are/were not as partisan as so many people would like to think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 04/21/2009
- unscum I'm a Fan of unscum 9 fans permalink

The biggest problem for the GOP is that the party has been taken over by people with very low IQs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 04/20/2009
- Clayton139 I'm a Fan of Clayton139 25 fans permalink
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YEP !
None of those people were in the $250,000 income bracket !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 04/20/2009

Low IQ correlates with religiosity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 04/20/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 106 fans permalink

It can also be education level and it depends on where/ how they were brought up. Generally speaking though, I'd have to agree with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 04/20/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 106 fans permalink

Been that way all my life. I grew up during the Reagan years. They've always been evil, rotten thieves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 04/20/2009
- SadieGirl I'm a Fan of SadieGirl 6 fans permalink

That is entirely why they do not like to fund education. They do not want smart voters. Most of their voters own 50 guns each and have an average of 5 teeth and an IQ somewhen in between those two numbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 04/20/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 106 fans permalink

Yep. They do not want the masses educated. The Republicans on top know that an uneducated populace is easier to control. The goons who are middle/working class and pro - GOP are just flat out nitwits. Always were.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 04/20/2009

The left offers only mean-spiritness, hatred and more big government. The comment below equates "education" with "government spending on education". If you want to see government education at its finest, visit any government school in a large city. (Then take a trip to any PRIVATE school in the same area and compare (the private schools are cheaper and better).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 04/20/2009
- wrrock I'm a Fan of wrrock 2 fans permalink

Tea parties = against tax. Look what they have planed for a large Internet tax:

http://www.butasforme.com/2009/04/20/obama-and-congress-poised-to-end-tax-free-internet-shopping/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 04/20/2009
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Tea parties = lobbyists for the rich.....plain and simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 04/20/2009
- tiotom77 I'm a Fan of tiotom77 5 fans permalink

It's funny the people criticizing haven't spoken to a participant. Wathcing on cable news doesn't create a dialogue. So next party, your invited

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 04/20/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 106 fans permalink

We've seen plenty of videos - some of them very long. Of course we think very little of these people. They're blaming the massive deficit the Bush Admin. foisted upon us all on the man who just walked into office. How can we take anything they say seriously for one second?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 04/20/2009
- SadieGirl I'm a Fan of SadieGirl 6 fans permalink

They seem to have just blanked out the last 8 years of the decline of America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 04/20/2009
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