Rice, Cheney Approved Waterboarding

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The Associated Press reports that the highest Bush administration officials signed off on waterboarding:

WASHINGTON (AP) - Then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice verbally OK'd the CIA's request to subject alleged al-Qaida terrorist Abu Zubaydah to waterboarding in July 2002, a decision memorialized a few days later in a secret memo that the Obama administration declassified last week.

Rice's role was detailed in a narrative released Wednesday by the Senate Intelligence Committee. It provides the most detailed timeline yet for how the CIA's harsh interrogation program was conceived and approved at the highest levels in the Bush White House.

The new timeline shows that Rice played a greater role than she admitted last fall in written testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The narrative also shows that dissenting legal views about the severe interrogation methods were brushed aside repeatedly.

But even the new timeline has yet to resolve the central question of who inside the Bush administration first broached the idea of using waterboarding and other brutal tactics against terror detainees in the months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

The Intelligence Committee's timeline comes a day after the Senate Armed Services Committee released an exhaustive report detailing direct links between the CIA's harsh interrogation program and abuses of prisoners at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in Afghanistan and at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

Both revelations follow President Barack Obama's release of internal Bush administration legal memos that justified the use of severe methods by the CIA, a move that kicked up a firestorm from opposing sides of the ideological spectrum.

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According to the new narrative, which compiles legal advice provided by the Bush administration to the CIA, Rice personally conveyed the administration's approval for waterboarding of Zubaydah, a so-called high-value detainee, to then-CIA Director George Tenet in July 2002...

As McClatchy notes, Cheney attended a meeting in 2003 to discuss the continuation of the interrogation program:

The Director of Central Intelligence in the spring of 2003 sought a reaffirmation of the legality of the interrogation methods. Cheney, Rice, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft and White House counsel Alberto Gonzales were among those at a meeting where it was decided that the policies would continue. Rumsfeld and Powell weren't.

The Washington Post reports that the timeline suggests Rumsfeld and Powell were not briefed on the program until September 2003.


The AP continues to discuss the timeline of how the harsh-interrogation methods were approved:

Last fall, Rice acknowledged to the Senate Armed Services Committee only that she had attended meetings where the CIA interrogation request was discussed. She said she did not recall details. Rice omitted her direct role in approving the program in her written statement to the committee.

A spokesman for Rice declined comment when reached Wednesday.

Days after Rice gave Tenet the nod, the Justice Department approved the use of waterboarding in a top secret Aug. 1 memo. Zubaydah underwent waterboarding at least 83 times in August 2002.

In the years that followed, according to the narrative issued Wednesday, there were numerous internal legal reviews of the program, suggesting government attorneys raised concerns that the harsh methods, particularly waterboarding, might violate federal laws against torture and the U.S. Constitution.

But Bush administration lawyers continued to validate the program. The CIA voluntarily dropped the use of waterboarding, which has a long history as a torture tactic, from its arsenal of techniques after 2005.

According to the two Senate reports, CIA lawyers first presented the plan to waterboard Zubaydah to White House lawyers in April 2002, a few weeks after his capture in Pakistan.

In May 2002, Rice, along with then-Attorney General John Ashcroft and White House counsel Alberto Gonzales met at the White House with the CIA to discuss the use of waterboarding.

The Armed Services Committee report says that six months earlier, in December 2001, the Pentagon's legal office already had made inquiries about the use of mock interrogation and detention tactics to a U.S. military training unit that schools armed forces personnel in how to endure harsh treatment.

In July 2002, responding to a follow-up from the Pentagon general counsel's office, officials at the training unit, the Joint Personnel Recovery Agency, detailed their methods for the Pentagon. The list included waterboarding.

But the training unit warned that harsh physical techniques could backfire by making prisoners more resistant. They also cautioned about the reliability of information gleaned from the severe methods and warned that the public and political backlash could be "intolerable."

"A subject in extreme pain may provide an answer, any answer or many answers in order to get the pain to stop," the training officials said in their memo.

Less than a week later, the Justice Department issued two legal opinions that sanctioned the CIA's harsh interrogation program. The memos appeared to draw deeply on the survival school data provided to the Pentagon to show that the CIA's methods would not cross the line into torture.

The opinion concluded that the harsh interrogation methods would be acceptable for use on terror detainees because the same techniques did not cause severe physical or mental pain to U.S. military students who were tested in the government's carefully controlled training program.

Several people from the survival program objected to the use of their mock interrogations in battlefield settings. In an October 2002 e-mail, a senior Army psychologist told personnel at Guantanamo Bay that the methods were inherently dangerous and students were sometimes injured, even in a controlled setting.

"The risk with real detainees is increased exponentially," he said.

Nevertheless, for the next two years, the CIA and military officials received interrogation training and direct interrogation support from JPRA trainers.

Last week, the Obama administration's top intelligence official, Dennis Blair, privately told intelligence employees that "high value information" was obtained through the harsh interrogation techniques. However, on Tuesday, in a written statement, Blair said, "The information gained from these techniques was valuable in some instances, but there is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means."

The Associated Press reports that the highest Bush administration officials signed off on waterboarding: WASHINGTON (AP) - Then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice verbally OK'd the CIA's requ...
The Associated Press reports that the highest Bush administration officials signed off on waterboarding: WASHINGTON (AP) - Then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice verbally OK'd the CIA's requ...
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Three common scenarios:

Ahab our reliable spy tells the U.S. military of the location of a terrorist leader in North West Pakistan. It is reliably reported that this terrorist leader is planning an attack on U.S. civilians in Phoenix. The U.S. Air Force sends an armed drone over the village where the terrorist leader is located. He is in a house with a host family. A missile is released from the drone and kills the terrorist and 3 innocent civilians and the terrorist.

U.S. and coalition forces hunt down and attack a group of terrorists in Afghanistan. During the battle six terrorists are shot dead, three survive; one shot through the hip, one shot in the abdomen and the arm was blown off one of them. These prisoners are turned over to the Afghan Government after receiving medical treatment.

Ahab our reliable spy tells the U.S. military of the location of a terrorist leader in North East Afghanistan. The US Army Rangers capture this terrorist, he is sent to detention at Guantanamo, Cuba where he is water boarded five times over the course of a month.

The one scenario detailed here that invokes outrage is the last one where this terrorist is water boarded, not where the bad guys and innocents are actually killed, wounded or maimed. These people declared war on us 20 years ago and have attacked Americans around the world and at home. We are a Nation filled with irrational, nattering ninnies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 05/13/2009

HOW DOES DICK CHENEY AND THE REST OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY KNOW WATER-BOARDING IS NOT TORTURE UNTIL THEY ALL HAVE BEEN WATER-BOARDED? deist.trut­h@yahoo.co­m

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 04/27/2009

Torture is a heinous crime, it is illegal under all laws including the US laws, under all laws torture is a crime when it is inflicted on ANY human being regardless of citizenship, torture is a crime regardless of any thing period. Actually torture is a crime when it is inflicted on any living thing not just human beings.

This torture or so called "enhanced interrogation techniques" we have inflicted on these human beings will remain a stigma on those who either have ever approved it, have authorized it, committed it, or even haven't yet denounced it.

ANY thing that would cause ANY kind of pain is by definition a torture.
Waterboarding by definition is torture under our very own laws, actually we executed people who committed waterboarding.
The punishment for Waterboarding any human being is the death penalty under our own laws and under the laws of almost all other countries.

I urge every one of us (the good American people) to do whatever he/she can do to bring justice (contact your representative, contact your
congressman, contact president Obama, contact any and all forms of media available to) so those criminals who have ever authorized, approved, committed, or participated in anyway in this clear torturing acts case (or cases) pay for their heinous crimes even if would take years or even decades they should pay eventually for their crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 04/26/2009

Not so rational person,

I bet if you have a child who was kidnapped and being held prisoner and you had custody of the kidnapper, you would have no problem water boarding the kidnapper to recover your loved one!
If not, pity your poor child!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 05/13/2009
- BocaMom I'm a Fan of BocaMom 16 fans permalink

Yes! And that includes everyone in Congress who approved it as well including Nancy, Tom, Harry
and everyone else. No exceptions! No excuses!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 04/24/2009
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A Special Prosecutor should be empowered to investigate this issue. We are already hearing the old "I was following orders" excuse. The last time it was used this consistently was at the Nuremberg Trials.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 04/24/2009
- wilray I'm a Fan of wilray 71 fans permalink
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Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rove, and Rumsfeld should all be prosecuted as war criminals. I always wondered why the prisoners at Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, Bagram and various CIA black sites were not brought to trial by the Bush Administration. Instead they virtually suspended Habeas Corpus. Now it's all too clear. It was all part of them covering their asses. If the prisoners had been brought to trial the Bush administrations dirty little secrets would have come out. I guess they were hoping for a Republican succession. Unfortunate for them, they had so tainted the Republican brand, it made that unlikely.
In constructing their lies and excuses they were seeking plausible deniability. This pack of thugs knew what they were doing, and they tried to cover it up while they were doing it. It was all a grand scheme to show that Bush's unnecessary war was necessary. The cowards let the servicemen at Abu Ghraib be the fall guys when they in fact ordered the treatment. What a bunch of skunks. We are a nation of laws. That includes everyone even POTUS. Bush's crimes make Watergate seem innocuous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 AM on 04/24/2009

Once upon a time ago, we would have said: Off with their heads!!!
I AGREE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 05/03/2009
- PepperzMom I'm a Fan of PepperzMom 7 fans permalink
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From LYLEHOLSTEIN on this thread:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/robert-mueller-bush-fbi-d_n_190628.html
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http://www.pubrecord.org/torture/854-doj-prosecuted-texas-sheriff-in-1983-for-waterboarding-prisoners.html

DOJ Prosecuted Texas Sheriff in 1983 For Waterboarding Prisoners

In 1983, the Justice Department prosecuted a Texas sheriff and three of his deputies for waterboarding prisoners to get them to confess to crimes.

The deputies were sentenced to four years in prison and Parker pleaded guilty to extortion and federal civil rights violations and received a 10-year sentence.

Yet nowhere in the four "torture" memos released by the Justice Department last week that authorized the CIA to waterboard detainees do the attorneys who drafted the legal opinions mention the federal case U.S. v Parker et al, in which San Jacinto County Sheriff James Parker and three deputies" Carl Lee, Floyd Allen Baker and John Glover"were found guilty of torturing at least six prisoners between 1976 and 1980 in a rural part of the state 60 miles outside of Houston.
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IMHO...prosecute them all...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 04/23/2009

Well PepperzMom, I will not waterboard a terrorist picked up on the battlefield in order to save your Town from an anthrax attack. Have a guilt free after life, with all of your neighbors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 05/13/2009

Did Ms. Rice go shoe shopping after helping condemn prisoners to torture?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 04/23/2009

But so did Pelosi-she was head of the Arms Services Committee when waterboarding was being dicussed. Democrats and Republicans on this committee have the same information.
AS a military wife of a Vietnam Vet ( who died with health problems recently from his service)one thing I can say is that war is awful. I do know one thing though -waterboarding is nothing compared to what the terriorists or the Vetnamese had and do when they catch on of our guys. Waterborading stopped an attack on the tallest building in LA-
I just wish there was no war.
I also know that Obama just ordered a bombing of terriosts, in Pakistan, in their homes with their families-are we going to go after him for killing innocent children?
I think if someone who has not served in the military or are not the close relative of one who did you may be badly imformed.
There is noooooooooooooooooo way in hell that the Democrats did not have the same infomation that the Republicans did. NOOOOOOOOO­OOOOOOOOOO­OOOOOOOOOO­OOo WAY.
I want all to drop this as we do not want to make our country look bad or our politicians. WE may think that they may be right or wrong but they are elected officials of our country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 04/23/2009
- SirReal1 I'm a Fan of SirReal1 64 fans permalink

I'm sorry for your loss, but

you are wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 04/23/2009
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"Waterborading stopped an attack on the tallest building in LA-"

Read below and understand WHY waterboarding couldn't have been the reason for stopping the LA terrorist plot.

In 2002------ from http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/09/bush.terror/index.html
The details were the first from the administration about the West Coast airliner plot, which was ((((((( thwarted in 2002 )))))))
and initially disclosed by the White House last year.

The plot was set in motion by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the September 11, 2001, attacks, a month after the airplanes crashed into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Bush said. It involved terrorists from al Qaeda's Southeast Asia wing, Jemaah Islamiyah.

2003
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in ((((((( March 2003 )))))))

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That's right ..... the plan was thwarted a year before KSM was waterboarded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 04/23/2009
- SirReal1 I'm a Fan of SirReal1 64 fans permalink

One side of this discussion has continuously trotted out a patently false assertion that the other side of the discussion is only interested in "prosecuting the other side".

My recommendation is; Before you continue to post comments that make you look foolish, read the previous posts and recognize that virtually all of us support a complete investigation of ALL THOSE who had knowledge of the TORTURE, and prosecution of ANYONE that is proven complicit.

While you're at it, you may wish to make note that the majority of comments suggesting that this should all be IGNORED are coming from ONE SIDE of the discussion, and that IS NOT the side that is advocating that ALL GUILTY PARTIES BE PUNISHED!

The question for everyone is simple; Do we want to be a Nation that TORTURES PEOPLE, or a Nation that DOES NOT?

Answer that before you answer any other question, because everything else is rendered moot if you are advocating the former.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 04/23/2009
- sharpstick I'm a Fan of sharpstick 17 fans permalink
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Aren't there soldiers sitting in prison right now for following these orders????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­??????????­????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 04/23/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 223 fans permalink

Ok Defense Sec. Gates approved/s release of memos ... so much for repubs idiotic claims of national security breech :

http://www.washingtonpost.com/?referrer=email

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 04/23/2009
- Palemoon I'm a Fan of Palemoon 152 fans permalink
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Since we have proof, when do the trials begin??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 04/23/2009
- b93950 I'm a Fan of b93950 4 fans permalink
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I agree, lets send them to jail where they belong!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 04/23/2009
- trudem2 I'm a Fan of trudem2 13 fans permalink

I reject completely the possibility that the abuse and torture associated with Abu Ghraib and Gitmo can be traced back solely to women -- Gen Janis Kanislowski (I believe is her name?), Lindy Englund, and now Condi Rice. Are we really to believe that George Bush, George Tenet, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, and Dick Cheney have clean hands in this business? What IDIOT would believe such bull----?

Condi Rice and Dick Cheney couldn't stand each other. What makes anyone think they would collaborate enoough to permit a crime like waterboarding to take place?

I see women as being made the fall guys (fall gals?) in both Abu Ghraib & Gitmo while the big guys (those wussy's) slink away scott free.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 04/23/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 223 fans permalink

I do agree with you in part ! Rice's counsel (Philip Z.... whatever his last name is) who Rachel just interviewed stated clearly that it was his memo advising against this tor ture that they attempted to distroy .. he further stated that "they" fought through proper institutions to overturn Bush's t orture policies and that the Supreme Ct. has ultimately agreed with "them" ... I took that to include Condi since he was her counsel !

Anyway, I do believe by all accounts Che ney overruled Rice in all matters ! Still, she was one of Bush's few brains?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 04/23/2009
- WKR I'm a Fan of WKR permalink

If you haven't already, you should try to get a copy of Keith Olberman's interview last night with Brig. Gen. (Ret.) Janis Karpinski. I think we will soon find out about a miscarriage of justice that occured at Abu Ghraib. Yes, those photo's were real & horrible, but it is still her (Karpinski's) contention that it was all done with the encouragement & suggestion of the CIA. Further, dissent was not tolerated. Imagine these GI's (kids, really) being the perpatrator's of those atrocities, & then try to imagine that they instigated those actions by themselves? I don't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 04/23/2009
- Palemoon I'm a Fan of Palemoon 152 fans permalink
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It's the GOP style, punish and/or attack the women, make them the scapegoats. I've been watching this play out for years. They'd not attack Clinton so much, instead they'd go after Hillary, remember how she was the villain since 1993? And how they attacked Tipper Gore more than they did Al. And how they attacked almost exclusively, Teresa Kerry instead of John Kerry, simply because Teresa was married to one of the Heinz family and used that against her and John. Plus, they were playing the race card, reminding everyone that Teresa would become the first "African-American" first lady once it was revealed she was born there. Also, remember how they attacked Cindy McCain and John McCain's daughter Brigit back in 2000? Remember how they went after Hillary in 2008, Michelle Obama in 2008? Going after Sebelius now.

Sure, along the way they decided to "use" Sarah Palin, but that 15 minute honeymoon is over and they are even attacking her, lol. The GOP just can't help themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 04/23/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 223 fans permalink

I think they'r all women in drag ... there has to be some "rational" explanation for their weird behaviors !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 04/23/2009
- 4 Real I'm a Fan of 4 Real 57 fans permalink
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I see a lot of similarities with the GOP brand of governing and the repressive regimes in the middle east. Sharia law vs. the religious right. Both like to keep their women barefoot and pregnant and both are intolerant of any other religion or ethic group other than their own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 04/23/2009
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Can we skip straight to the trial - and can they all be put into the general population prison, especially Darth Chaney and Rove?!?!?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 04/23/2009
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