US Must Prosecute Bush Torture Memo Lawyers: UN Torture Envoy

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VERONIKA OLEKSYN | April 24, 2009 05:38 PM EST | AP

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Manfred Nowak, the U.N. special rapporteur on torture, holds press conference to discuss torture, extraordinary renditions, other issues at Vienna's International Center, Austria, on Friday, April 24, 2009. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak)

VIENNA — The U.S. is obligated by a United Nations convention to prosecute Bush administration lawyers who allegedly drafted policies that approved the use of harsh interrogation tactics against terrorism suspects, the U.N.'s top anti-torture envoy said Friday.

Earlier this week, President Barack Obama left the door open to prosecuting Bush administration officials who devised the legal authority for gruesome terror-suspect interrogations. He had previously absolved CIA officers from prosecution.

Manfred Nowak, who serves as a U.N. special rapporteur in Geneva, said Washington is obligated under the U.N. Convention against Torture to prosecute U.S. Justice Department officials who wrote memos that defined torture in the narrowest way in order to justify and legitimize it, and who assured CIA officials that their use of questionable tactics was legal.

"That's exactly what I call complicity or participation" to torture as defined by the convention, Nowak said at a news conference. "At that time, every reasonable person would know that waterboarding, for instance, is torture."

Nowak, an Austrian law professor, said it was up to U.S. courts and prosecutors to prove that the memos were written with the intention to incite torture.

Nowak and other experts said that a failure to investigate and prosecute when there was evidence of torture left those responsible vulnerable to prosecutorial action abroad.

"If it should turn out ... that the (U.S.) government and its authorities are not willing to prosecute those where we have enough evidence that they instigated or committed torture, then there is also an obligation on all other 145 states" party to the convention to exercise universal jurisdiction, Nowak said.

That means countries would have an obligation to arrest the individuals in question if they were on their soil and extradite them to the U.S. if Washington gave clear assurances they would bring them to justice. In the absence of such assurances, it would fall upon the respective country to take the individuals to court.

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Nowak said this happened very rarely because the international community primarily relied on the governments of countries where torture occurs to take the necessary legal action to ensure that justice is served.

Nowak also said any probe of questionable CIA interrogation tactics must be independent and have thorough investigative powers.

"It can be a congressional investigation commission, a special investigator, but it must be independent and with thorough investigative powers," Nowak said.

On Thursday, Obama's press secretary suggested Obama does not care for an independent panel.

Last week, the Obama administration released secret CIA memos detailing interrogation tactics sanctioned under Bush.

The memos authorized keeping detainees naked, in painful standing positions and in cold cells for long periods of time. Other techniques included depriving them of solid food and slapping them. Sleep deprivation, prolonged shackling and threats to a detainee's family also were used.

Nowak said Saturday that Obama's decision not to prosecute CIA operatives who used questionable interrogation practices violates the same U.N. convention. But at that point he did not specifically address the issue of how the convention would apply to those who drafted the interrogation policy and gave the CIA the legal go-ahead.

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Rember the una bomber Ted Kazinski. He hurt people. He mailed letter bombs. His brother turned him in. You've heard about parents turning their criminal children over to the authorities. Right?

They must have felt horrible turning in their flesh and blood. But they did so because it was the right thing to do. It must have hurt them badly to rat them out.

I think this is how we should feel regarding those who ordered and promoted torture. We have to turn them in to justice. Not out of revenge but because it is the right thing to do. And we should feel hurt doing so. Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Gonzoles, they are our own fellow Americans. Poor, fearful, morally bankrupt children of America.

We should turn them over to justice becasue its the right thing to do but we should feel horrible about it. What an example of real moral leadership to the rest of the world. We don't let our national criminals off the hook. We do what's right.

And that's the way it is for this Irish Catholic kid from Buitte, Montana.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 04/28/2009
- redisright I'm a Fan of redisright 4 fans permalink

waterboading of our own military has happened under obamas admin, prosecute him as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 04/26/2009
- redisright I'm a Fan of redisright 4 fans permalink

we waterboard our own special forces. this has happened under the obama admin. If this technique is found illegal, then carter, bush sr, bush jr, clinton, and yes, obama must be procescuted and sentenced to death for treason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 04/26/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 87 fans permalink

Even a simpleton should get it that training exercises wherein you know you're going to survive it is very different than a situation where there are known deaths at the hands of the interrogators.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 04/26/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

Put the Bush torture team on trial. They used a crisis in the history of the country to steer the country to Draconian torture policies and other unconstitutional measures. They buried opposition and labeled public dissent as treason. They did the best they could to change the culture of this society to square with their right-wing paranoid views of good and evil. To them, the United States can take any action without its being evil because we are America and when we do it it is right. Show them the inside of a jail cell and let them lose their image of moral and ethical superiority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 04/26/2009
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 31 fans permalink

Obama should release all the torture memos,
identify all the justice and executive branch torture memo players,
take an advisory vote from congress on whether or not to investigate,
then throw the decision regarding torture investigation to the minority party.

We'd then call the GOP...
"The Torture Party."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 04/25/2009
- redisright I'm a Fan of redisright 4 fans permalink

yes all of them, including the waterboarding of our own navy seals under his administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 04/26/2009
- RoseMerry I'm a Fan of RoseMerry 18 fans permalink

Arrest them all but start with the leader, their Commander-in-Chief. And impeach the one who obstructs justice even as I type!

DOWN WITH CRIMINALS IN MY GOVERNMENT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 04/25/2009
- CSDofNM I'm a Fan of CSDofNM 5 fans permalink
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It is clear this treaty is toothless. Bush was just in Canada, see http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/12/bush-ban-canada/ and they didn't lift a finger to arrest him.

Until our government grows a spine, nobody else will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 04/25/2009
- lostinNJ1 I'm a Fan of lostinNJ1 3 fans permalink
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Maybe. But, I think they are giving us the chance to address this first. Right now, I like that the info is now starting to flow. Watching Cheney give all these interviews that I think are quite defensive of his policies, then seeing his daughter try to defend the torture issue was interesting. Bybee says he now regrets those memos. FBI/CIA people also weighing in. To me, it shows they are worried.
The tide clearly has turned- it is so dominating the news that I don't think this is going away. I hope more countries and organizations will speak out in favor of prosecutio­n/investig­ations. Just doing this will help keep the pressure on. Just think how pathetic we will look to much of the world if we don't pursue this appropriately and they had to take care of our business. It really would go against the efforts that Obama is pursuing in helping us retake a healthy leadership role.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 04/25/2009
- Mikeeee I'm a Fan of Mikeeee 66 fans permalink

harper like bush lacks courage, he's a conservative (repub) so do not expect any sign of doing the right thing, it'd be against his ideology.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 04/25/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 633 fans permalink
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Here here !

Is it Hear Hear of Here Here ? Whatever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 04/25/2009
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 84 fans permalink
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I totally agree. Cheney and the arrogance of all those pro-torturers have made this imperative to prove this is not some mere policy disagreement. It's illegal, immoral or yields only the info the torturers want, not valuable info from some objective standard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 04/25/2009

Well, The whole world can't believe what is happening in the USA, imagine Americans defending torture (Various media outlets even CNN calling it enhance interrogation techniques). The is not rocket science, if you break the law, you should be prosecuted, plain & simple. Regardless, if the Obama/US think it is a convenient time or not. All this talk about we are facing to many problems right now to bother about upholding the law is not cutting it. If North Korea tortured US citizens & tries to justify it like Cheeney is doing, Obama wouldn't be saying that he has too many things to worry about rather it would be prosecute! prosecute! prosecute! North Korean officials responsible for it. Furthermore, not prosecuting these torture drafters doesnt make American soldiers more safe, because then other countries could commit torture against American soldiers and claim/try to justify it. If this happens, under what moral/legal justification would the US stand on to take action against it.
FINALLY, i have to get a negative to shout to Chris MAttews, he was sitting there backing the arguments that GOP pundit Pat Bucanon was making last night coming up with invalid shouting a plane out of the sky analogy. IT IS HYPOCRITICAL TO SAY SOMETHING IS TORTURE, AND WE ARE AGAINST IT, WE HAVE PROSECUTED OTHERS FOR IT BEFORE, BUT IT IS NOT CONVENIENT FOR US RIGHT NOW TO PROSECUTE IT. AGAIN THE IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, IT IS CLEAR CUT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 04/25/2009
- dashboard I'm a Fan of dashboard 9 fans permalink
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Take a valium and read this.

Obama's strategy is to purposely stall the investigation and prosecution. Look what it has yielded so far, Red Cross report, memos, Senate report and now more prison pictures. This is a brilliant strategy. Now the players are coming out from under their rocks to defend themselves and the sniping is starting to occur. Soon the coerced players will start singing. You start with an aggressive investigat­ion/prosec­ution and all the players will clam up "Can't comment, under investigation, 5th amendment privileges, etc".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 04/25/2009
- lostinNJ1 I'm a Fan of lostinNJ1 3 fans permalink
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Good points- keep pursuing, keep the pressure on to reveal as much as possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 04/25/2009
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http://www.rian.ru/infografika/20090120/159718394-ig.html

direct communications with the U.S. President

that is how the United States restores itself- Prosecute war crimes
global message
International Laws

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 04/25/2009

GOP/Republicans with their Glenn "Tokyo Rose" Beck is trying to paint this as a democrat issue, much like they did the economic collapse during the run up to the 2008 elections, public did not buy that then and are not buying this gambit by GOP/Republicans that some how they can put the torture stink on democratic party, when its purely a GOP/Republican issue! This smear the opposition with you knew too so we are not guilty is not going to work, but nice try Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck both ought to be hauled before congress as accomplices as the infamous Japanese radio commentator "Tokyo Rose" was, and given some congressional questioning on whom were they working for the past few years they have been cheer leading these war criminals!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 04/25/2009

If you go after bush then you have to go after congress that new about it. That means alot of democrats out of office , why is the UN telling us what to do, look at what they have done please. If a little waterboarding saved lives then more power to them. These 3 terrorist are not covered by any laws or countries that is why they are terrorist even now no one wants them. People remember 9/11, how did you feel when you woke up that day and saw the twin towers gone. We have to remember that this was done right after 9/11 and no more, the ones in irag should be looked at those guys were under the irag flag so have to be treated as prisoners of war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 04/25/2009
- kimleehan I'm a Fan of kimleehan 31 fans permalink

I'm all for going after congress, if every congressmen that voted to authorize Bush to invade Iraq was forced to resign that that would leave 149 Democrates and 9 republicans still standing, do you think the republicans really want to go there. I think 149 democrates and 9 republicans can run the country, what do you think.?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 04/25/2009
- cigi I'm a Fan of cigi 36 fans permalink

Let the chips fall where they may. America, ask yourself, "can you handle the truth"???Those involved knew what they were doing and agreeing to...let the prosecutions begin. Better yet, I hope some international tribunal grabs Bush/Cheney and let's just make it a world affair!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 04/25/2009
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 31 fans permalink

OK, sure mr. beck.

We will from now on refer to the GOP as the party for torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 04/25/2009
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 84 fans permalink
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I'm all for going after anyone involved, with a sense of proportionality. The worst crime and therefore sentence belongs to those who orchestrated this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 04/25/2009

If the question is, "Who can we prosecute?" then the answer is, "A bunch of lawyers and bureaucrats whose names we never heard before."

If the question is, "Who is responsible?" then the answer is, "George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld." (With Rice & Powell as unindicted co-conspirators?)

I have no interest in seeing the monkey going to jail while the organ-grinder sails free.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 04/25/2009
- b93950 I'm a Fan of b93950 4 fans permalink
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I agree 100%

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 04/25/2009
- setman I'm a Fan of setman 4 fans permalink

Six years ago this country ignored UN resolutions and invaded Iraq in order to get Saddam Hussein for "violating" UN resolutions. After that, there was a concerted effort to undermine the UN, claiming it was ineffective, useless. We sent an ambassador there, John Bolton, who was committed to proving how ineffective it was. Is the UN perfect? No, considering the nature of the body, it couldn't be. However, it is time that we stopped undermining it, and set an example to the rest of the world that we will follow our word and follow conventions and treaties that we have put our name to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 04/25/2009

You guys have good points, but why did'nt or better still why is'nt the United Nations going after the Bush goverment? I hope their not waiting for us to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 04/25/2009
- setman I'm a Fan of setman 4 fans permalink

If your dog gets rabies, what do you do? Do you ask your neighbor to put the dog down? Or do you take the responsibility yourself? This is our problem and we need to deal with it.

My apologies to those who are offended by the analogy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 04/25/2009

How do you suppose the UN could go after the no longer existent Bush government?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 04/25/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 87 fans permalink

They are, and this guy just said so.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 04/26/2009
- andyg I'm a Fan of andyg 5 fans permalink

Didn't Saddam break the UN resolutions not Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 04/25/2009

yes, he broke them having all those WMD's he didn't have...don­'t confuse propaganda with reality *smile*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 04/25/2009
- kimleehan I'm a Fan of kimleehan 31 fans permalink

actually Saddam was obidding by U.N. resolution 1441 by allowing the weapons insectors in, thats what threw a monkey wrench into Bush's plans. After 700 inspections at 500 different sites and finding no W.M.D.s the U.N. refused to give Bush the security council authorization to invade Iraq. ( remember freedom fries ) So Bush invaded Iraq anyhow, said he did'nt need a U.N. security council resolution, thats why the Iraq war is illegal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 04/25/2009
- setman I'm a Fan of setman 4 fans permalink

If you ask the weapons inspectors, whose inspections were the main requirement of the UN security council resolution 1441, Iraq was complying with the inspections. Also there was no evidence of current (at the time) programs for the development of weapons of mass destruction. This was contrary to the Bush administrations plans, and consequently they with the support of their "coalition of the willing" (not the UN security council) invaded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 04/25/2009
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