Spanish Judge Opens Investigation Into Gitmo, 'Systemic' Bush-Era Torture

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DANIEL WOOLLS | April 29, 2009 12:40 PM EST | AP

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MADRID — A Spanish judge opened a probe into the Bush administration over alleged torture of terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, pressing ahead Wednesday with a drive that Spain's own attorney general has said should be waged in the United States, if at all.

Judge Baltasar Garzon, Spain's most prominent investigative magistrate, said he is acting under this country's observance of the principle of universal justice, which allows crimes allegedly committed in other countries to be prosecuted in Spain.

He said documents declassified by the new U.S. government suggest the practice was systematic and ordered at high levels of the US government.

Garzon's move is separate from a complaint by human rights lawyers that seeks charges against six specific Bush administration officials they accuse of creating a legal framework to permit torture of suspects at Guantanamo Bay and other U.S. detention facilities.

Spanish prosecutors said on April 17 that any such probe should be carried out by the U.S. and recommended against it being launched in Spain. Their opinion has been endorsed by Attorney General Candido Conde-Pumpido. Garzon originally had that case, but ultimately it was transferred to another judge, who has yet to decide whether to investigate.

Now, Garzon is opening a separate, broader probe that does not name any specific suspects but targets "possible material authors" of torture, accomplices and those who gave torture orders.

Garzon is acting on his own, rather than in response to a complaint filed with the National Court, which is the usual procedure for universal justice probes in Spain.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, speaking with reporters in Berlin before the investigation was announced, did not rule out cooperating with such an investigation.

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"Obviously, we would look at any request that would come from a court in any country and see how and whether we should comply with it," Holder said.

"This is an administration that is determined to conduct itself by the rule of law and to the extent that we receive lawful requests from an appropriately-created court, we would obviously respond to it," he said.

Asked if that meant the U.S. would cooperate with a foreign court prosecuting Bush administration officials, Holder said he was talking about evidentiary requests, and would review any such request to see if the United States would comply.

In a 10-page writ, Garzon said documents on Bush-era treatment of prisoners, recently declassified by the Obama administration, "reveal what had been just an intuition: an authorized and systematic plan of torture and mistreatment of persons denied freedom without any charge whatsoever and without the rights enjoyed by any detainee."

Garzon cited media accounts of the documents and said he would ask the U.S. to send the documents to him.

The judge wrote that abuses at Guantanamo and other U.S. prisons for terror suspects, such as the American air base at Bagram, Afghanistan, suggest "the existence of a concerted plan to carry out a multiplicity of crimes of torture."

He said this plan took on "almost an official nature and therefore entails criminal liability in the different structures of execution, command, design and authorization of this systematic plan of torture."

He said he also is acting on the basis of accounts by four former Guantanamo inmates who have alleged in Spanish courts that they were tortured at that U.S. prison in eastern Cuba.

All four were once accused of belonging to a Spanish al-Qaida cell but eventually cleared of the accusations. One is a Spanish citizen, another is a Moroccan citizen who has lived in Spain for more than a decade, and the other two are residents of Britain.

MADRID — A Spanish judge opened a probe into the Bush administration over alleged torture of terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, pressing ahead Wednesday with a drive that Spain's own attorney ge...
MADRID — A Spanish judge opened a probe into the Bush administration over alleged torture of terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, pressing ahead Wednesday with a drive that Spain's own attorney ge...
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I'm moving to Spain!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 05/02/2009
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 59 fans permalink

Thank you Spain . . go for it . . . then go after Israel

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 AM on 04/30/2009
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Today, on NPR's program 'Fresh Air with Terry Gross', Gross interviewed Phillippe Sands, a British international lawyer who wrote 'The Torture Team', on Judge Garzon's investigation. How Sands explains the investigation and the way he frames it in terms of treaties, and international law, makes it a far more informative piece than this article.

Highly recommended.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 04/30/2009
- JerryLevy I'm a Fan of JerryLevy 53 fans permalink
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Lets make the study comprehensive, who were the people who were "tortured" and what were their crimes. How many countries funded these murderers and what information was captured from them and did it actually prevent another attack. Not that it is any of the business of Spain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 04/29/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 125 fans permalink
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The arrogance of that statement is stunning.

Spain has every right to enforce International Law! Hope "Israyel" is next for their crimes against humanity!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 04/29/2009

You make the fundamental assumption that the victims of torture were criminals, when we know, from recently released documents and statements from former officials, that our government shad knowledge that many of the detainees being held and abused were indeed innocent.

To your second point, that it is no business of Spain's? If we don't have the balls to prosecute war crimes committed by our citizens, we have defaulted our obligation to those other countries who are signatories to the Convention Against Torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 04/29/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 125 fans permalink
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True, and some even di_d from that t0rture and detainment without trial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 04/29/2009
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 59 fans permalink

great blog ostrom808 -- thank you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 AM on 04/30/2009
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it is the business of over 80 countries who signed a treaty in 1985 regarding the use of torture. what's more, there are treaties which state that should they fail to appear in a spanish court of law, extradition could be sought for cheney, rice, bybee, yoo and all the others.

and take those damn quotation marks off from around that word; there's no doubt about in any court of law around the world: waterboarding is torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 04/29/2009

To what end? To put Bush in jail?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 04/29/2009
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"To what end? " WTF??
Spanish citizens were captured, sent to Gitmo and tortured; all this without any due process, any charges, and no legal protection whatsoever. Were they guilty of something? That was for a Court of law to decide that and NO ONE else.

Would you even think about asking this question if that had happened to American citizens?

The answer to your question is simple: How about seeing justice done?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 04/29/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 125 fans permalink
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Listen, I'll be ecstatic if Bush is prevented from travelling to Europe to make money giving boring speeches based on a bunch of b.s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 04/29/2009

No - to redeem the American spirit and the rule of law in our nation. T

his action is GREATER than GW Bush and his administration. It is about the national identity of the United States. The laws that were violated were on the books BEFORE the Bush administration took office.

Bush didn't have the right nor legal standing to come in and change the law arbitrarily..... That is the essence of the rule of law without it -- how would the United States remain a stable democracy from administration to administration.

You cannot make up your on laws with Justice Department legal OPINIONS. These legal OPINIONS do NOT have the force of law behind them. Can you understand this... Do you understand how the legal system works in the United States? Are you an American citizen and if so did you take civics in high school?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 04/30/2009

A lot of people here seem to misunderstand a basic fact, Spanish CITIZENS were tortured by the United States government, and that is the legal basis of the case. They are not going after them for what they did to American citizens, they are within their rights to protect their own citizens. When Americans are victims of similiar acts we have also exercised our right to go after the people responsable. So don't all worked up about how Spain has no right to get involved. I repeat 6 citizens of Spain were tortured by the United States in violation of Us law, International law and Spanish law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 04/29/2009
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I was in Spain during the Franco regime. Granted, I believe Bush and Cheney should be held responsible for what they did. However, Spain needs to reflect upon what happened under Franco. I remember being terrified just to be in the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 04/29/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 125 fans permalink
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For God's sakes Garzon had nothing to do with the Franco Regime...he's a Liberal!!!

Secondly, Garzon issued an order not too long ago ordering municipalities to produce lists of individuals who disappeared under the Franco Regime and were buried in mass graves so that families could claim justice with regards to their disappearance, charges brought against them and compensation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 04/29/2009
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A liberal? I was no aware that his political convictions had any relevance in this matter.

Judge Garzon is first and foremost a magistrate that has fought against ETA and the right-wing extremists. He has seen first hand, what terrorism can do. He knows a thing or two about human rights abuses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 04/29/2009
- moflard I'm a Fan of moflard 12 fans permalink

"Spain needs to reflect upon what happened under Franco..."

I live there part of the year, and am about to do so permanently. They do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 04/30/2009
- TRYKER I'm a Fan of TRYKER 69 fans permalink

Go Judge!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 04/29/2009

Better stop and think first, one do we want any other country trying anyone that did not do a crime in thier country, two where does it stop lets say they disagree on how you treat your kids they can come in and try you. Once this is allowed where does it stop, there is already a treaty that the un wants us to sign called reights for children something like that. Where if we sign it they can override state and federal law to prosecute parents for the rights of kids. Wake up before you wish for anything like this once that happens that is when we have started losing our freedom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 04/29/2009

Right wing propaganda. That is NOT what the UN treaty says. Check it out for yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 04/29/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 125 fans permalink
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He has every right to bring charges for breaches of International Law and especially if a Spanish citizen was the victim of such a crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 04/29/2009
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A government official acting in his/her capacity as such doesn't have rights. He/she has powers. Garzon has the legitimate power to bring the charges.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 04/30/2009
- laxdado2 I'm a Fan of laxdado2 4 fans permalink

Barry should tell this judge to go f**k himself. Who is he to say anything about Americans.
Of course he will probably just grovel like he usually does, and ask them to like us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 04/29/2009
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The US signed international treaties which banned torture. The US tortures therefore any country that signed those treaties can hold the US accountable. The US has captured and put on trial many criminals from other countries, I bet you were not complaining about that. You are like many Americans, you think America is exceptional and above the rule of the law. Typical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 04/29/2009

And you expect Obama ordering such an action by the judge would have what constructive effect?

Who are Americans (or you) to say anything about him (the judge), then?

As Spain is a friendly ally to the US (despite huge opposition to Bush and his policies and regime), Obama won't need to grovel or ask them to like Americans.

Barack and Michelle are doing a fantastic job of showing the world that the almost universall­y-despised Bush was an aberration of American society and that America can also produce and elect leaders of charm, intelligence, and insight who truly do wish to make the world a better place.

While I grant that funding AIDS programs in Africa was positive, virtually everything else promoted by Bush led to, at best, marginal success and, more often, unmitigated disaster. Much of the rest of the world wanted the Bush years to become history to a degree equal to or greater than that of most Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 AM on 04/30/2009

Well, at least Spain defends its citizens. We do S**#*.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 04/29/2009

What and Americia does not wake up look at our troops i do not see any spanish troops fighting for us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 04/29/2009
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Yeah! It's like they live on another planet, right?
Where the hell do you get your news? Who do you think was with Bush in the Acores Islands when Bush met with Blair before Iraq invasion to drum up international support?

The Prime Minister of Spain was there. You didn't see it then? Or is it more convenient to forget that fact now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 04/29/2009
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Well, at least Spain defends its citizens. We do S**#*.
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Not according to some reports.

http://www.libertysecurity.org/IMG/pdf/Report_on_Torture_in_Spain.pdf

http://www.elkarri.org/en/pdf/rueters_120304.pdf

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/dec2005/eta-d12.shtml

Torture is illegal and immoral, even in Spain. If the US is not interested in pursuing an investigation into tor*ture during the Bush years, it seems to me we should insist on a country performing the investigation that doesn't have experience in the same practice, if that is at all possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 04/29/2009

Hey, Spain, you might want to start with a number of Arab nations who hve been torturing for decades, and where were you on the genocides in Africa?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 04/29/2009
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I don't think any of the Arab nations are torturing Spanish citizens, as America is/was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 05/01/2009

The idea of judges from other nations indicting and trying our elected officials is problematic. One of the main reasons is the potential validity of the judge. What if the judge is in China for example? And there is the question of ulterior motives and finally jurisdiction. At the same time, what if Saddam Hussein had been kidnapping US soldiers, torturing them and keeping them in a secret prison. Would the US have hesitated to try him? I guess they did kinda, except it was done through a puppet regime. And he was tried for crimes committed against his own citizens, not Americans. The only reason we were able to do it is 1) the power of the US military 2) we had invaded and were in control 3) Saddam's standing in the world was about zero Bush's world standing is at least a few notches above Saddam's, but until we stop being the reigning world superpower, any trials or convictions will do nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 04/29/2009
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Were you saying this when Pinochet was prosecuted by the same Spanish system?

The judge is most definitely "valid," as meaningless as that term is in any adult's legal language. He sits as a proper magistrate in Spain, which has a civil law system and a proactive role for judges.

The reason that this is a workable model is that Spain recognizes the principle of universal justice (see article text). Being as such, crimes against humanity, jus cogens wrongs, etc. can receive scrutiny from a Spanish judge like the one here. If the defendant is foolish enough to place him or herself in a position to be arrested in Spain or extradited then punishment will ensue according to Spanish laws.

It's not problematic. It's justice being served.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 04/29/2009
- landmine I'm a Fan of landmine 4 fans permalink

I can't believe we agree on something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 04/30/2009
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The US always acts in their best interest and no one is allowed to question. The US arrests and put on trial many international criminals and no one is allowed to object. As soon as an American becomes an international criminal, no one is allowed to question that American. This of course makes no sense. The US is not above International law and American exceptionalism is a myth and a dangerous one at that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 04/29/2009
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If we don't, someone else will; shouldn't be a surprise. And...maybe it's exactly what should happen anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 04/29/2009
- NHBill I'm a Fan of NHBill 16 fans permalink
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How stupid are we all going to look if we have to get the truth about what the heck was going on from Spain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 04/29/2009
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