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Stress Tests: The Same Clever Financial Engineering That Led To The Crisis In The First Place?

First Posted: 06/01/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:20 PM ET

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Disclosures that at least six of the 19 big banks undergoing stress testing have been ordered to acquire more capital has not assuaged critics who contend that the tests are dangerously mild.

"This stress test is the equivalent of testing the Brooklyn Bridge by running a single heavy truck on it," Nassim Nicholas Taleb, a scholar of risk and chance at Polytechnic Institute of New York University, told the Huffington Post. "Bring engineers for this stress test, not the economists who failed us."

"The fact that six banks failed the stress test is more indicative of the weakness of the banks than the strength of the stress test. Most analysts thought the stress test was pretty wimpy," said Henry Blodget, president of Cherry Hill Research and CEO/Editor in Chief of Silicon Alley Insider. "If a good number of banks hadn't failed, people would have dismissed the stress tests as propaganda. So from the government's perspective, I'd say they were about right (if any more banks had failed under those wimpy assumptions, people might have been terrified.)"

Two of the institutions told by federal regulators to expand capital in order to be able to absorb additional losses are Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp. The other four have not been publicly identified.

The testing was first announced February 10. The departments and agencies involved in the testing include the Treasury, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the Office of Thrift Supervision, and the Federal Reserve Board.

On February 23, the Treasury announced that bank testing would begin two days later to ascertain whether the nation's 19 biggest banks had enough capital to weather "a more challenging economic environment." If not, the "institutions will have an opportunity to turn first to private sources of capital. Otherwise, the temporary capital buffer will be made available from the government," according to the Treasury announcement. Federal officials sought to soften the stigma associated with finding that a bank required a "capital buffer" from the government, noting that "this additional capital does not imply a new capital standard and it is not expected to be maintained on an ongoing basis. Instead, it is available to provide a cushion against larger than expected future losses, should they occur due to a more severe economic environment, and to support lending to creditworthy borrowers."

The results of the tests will be released next Thursday.

Critics of the stress tests argued almost from the moment they were announced that federal regulators had set standards too low, and that the regulatory staff was not equipped to deal with the complexities of these massive, multi-national institutions.

"This is a garbage in, garbage out activity to placate the public and perhaps reassure investors. It would probably be fine for a strictly US bank which was a traditional retail and commercial lender (think a Washington Mutual). But for the really big banks with capital markets operations, this is a joke," wrote Yves Smithand, on the economics blog Naked Capitalism, on February 12.

In a February 23 story headlined "As Doubts Grow, U.S. Will Judge Banks' Stability," the New York Times reported that "many economists, Wall Street analysts and even some bank executives contend that some of the banks are already effectively insolvent."

Interviews by the Huffington Post and an examination of web-based commentary published by economists and financial analysts shows that these concerns have not quieted in the two months since the tests were announced.

University of Oregon economist Mark Thoma told HuffPost that "the stress tests weren't tough enough" to begin with, "so I interpret this as saying that even with a fairly weak test, problems surface easily. Who knows what we might have found with a tougher test, and how much additional concern that might have caused."

James K. Galbraith, the University of Texas economist, was more detailed in his comments.

My sense is that the tests understate the problems because they emphasized the econometric relationships between economic conditions and assets of an assumed quality, rather than the underlying loan quality. The main procedure as I understand it was to ask the banks to simulate their own portfolios under various economic scenarios, meaning that the banks' own view of loan quality was largely accepted. Loan quality is the big problem, because if the sub-prime securities are as bad as I think, they should not be treated as securities but as intrinsically-defective instruments for which no market is likely to revive. Nor should it. Unless there was an actual audit or decent sample of the loan tapes behind the mortgages, we won't know for sure. I will continue to suspect that Treasury is resisting this step because it doesn't want to know what the evidence would show.

As the deadline for releasing the findings of the tests approaches, not only are the tests themselves under assault, but so are the mechanisms which federal officials are suggesting banks use in order to meet capital requirements.

Barry Ritholtz, writing at The Big Picture, argues that "the cure for inadequate capital is not more capital, but an accounting trick -- converting preferred stock to common.... US banks are suffering a solvency problem, and what they need is more capital, not an accounting sleight of hand. Yet that is precisely what they are getting -- the same clever financial engineering that led to the crisis in the first place. All Treasury needs is more leverage and a few derivatives and the transformation into the financial Borg will be complete."

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06:08 PM on 05/04/2009
The layperson's visual guide to the root of the problem..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8&feature=PlayList&p=E7EA7BFA2A625324&index=0&playnext=1F

I'm predicting that Obama is safe until he starts to put REAL pressure on the international bankers. Then he'll either be toast - or the facilitator of a much fairer world.

Naturally I'm praying for the latter.
12:09 PM on 05/03/2009
The majority of bankers know how to use Turbo tax correctly.

Unlike Tax cheat Timmy

Timmy should have been Fired!!!!!!!! Period

http://wwwamericanpatriot-vance.blogspot.com/
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Genep34
stop the nightmare, end the GOP
09:26 AM on 05/03/2009
Bring back Glass Stiegal and ignore everything Henry Blodgett says.
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realpolitic
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08:48 AM on 05/03/2009
"The main procedure as I understand it was to ask the banks to simulate their own portfolios under various economic scenarios, meaning that the banks' own view of loan quality was largely accepted."

We got in trouble in the first place by asking banks to regulate themselves.
10:42 PM on 05/02/2009
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"Two of the institutions told by federal regulators to expand capital in order to be able to absorb additional losses are Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp."

looks like a setup for more bailout capital--after all, they are too big to fail.
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peter777
10:38 PM on 05/02/2009
Obama needs to clean house- starting with Gaithner. Then look at who is running the FED.
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Star2000dancer
Pay it forward, the movie..
08:39 PM on 05/02/2009
Geithner: Was President of the Ferderal reserve before he became Obama's Teasury Secretary. Who's side do you think he's really on? Remember, follow the money. Who should we be going after? The people who own these bank, not the puppets. The Rockefellers, the Bushes, etc. All the same familities since the early 1900's. IMF, Citi Bank (National City Bank), & the rest of the small roup that has made you slaves to the system is who you should be mad at. The banks control everyone else, but it's the people you do'nt hear about that is where thewealth is really goig. You've been pitchforking the wrong people, as the real thieves keep going untouchable. And they control the world's leaders, not the other way around.
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
05:28 PM on 05/02/2009
Saving TOP Executives is Morally WRONG to do!

Corporate executives/other "employees" have skimmed much of company profits into their pockets leaving empty shells unable to withstand economic downturns.

Then Taxpayer Money is used to Backfill skimmed money with Bail outs, resulting in a massive transfer of wealth from government to employees.

There is a PROBLEM HERE - A VERY BIG PROBLEM as can be seen in this data:

1980 WS Executives made 20 times average Worker
2008 WS Executives made 400 times average Worker
NOW Canada Executive made 20 times average Worker
NOW Britain Executives made 22 times average Worker
NOW Japan Executives made 11 times average Worker

300% Increase in Pay for Top 1% from 1980-2008!
20% Decrease in Pay for Other 99% from 1980-2008! (Includes 4 of Top 5%-much worse bottom 95%)
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Saving Top Hedge Fund Managers is even more Morally Corrupt:

Bank Executives are poor compared to top HEDGE FUNDSTERS ranging from $520Million-$3.7Billion and paying 15% tax rates, special deal worked out with Washington (graph).

They put Chrysler into Bankruptcy to avoid taking "HAIR CUTS"

They're the REAL REASON Obama/Geithner/Emanuel Team are bailing out Banks - indirectly preventing Hedge Fundsters from taking "HAIR CUTS."

Sad for Main Street America! But WS's $5 Billion to Congress buys lots of VERY BIG FAVORS!

http://www.swivel.com/graphs/image/28573352/default/600/337/10/absolute/HorizontalBarGraph/ASC/all+time/daily/ignore?s=1241296329?
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
05:43 PM on 05/02/2009
And Soros and John Paulson leading the pack! Soros bought the Democrats and WHAT a ROI he's getting: "I'm having a very good crisis".
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
05:52 PM on 05/02/2009
Yes these are the ones who are RUNNING Company after Company after Company into or near bankruptcy needing Bailouts!

Transfer of wealth from Honest Americans to Washington Legalized CR00KS unlike anything ever seen in American History!

The Moral Catastrophe of the AGES!
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07:02 PM on 05/02/2009
here she is again! the 60 year old with 14000! postings since Sept 2006. Do you have a life? P.S. your so good at cut and paste and yet when asked to explain your point you fail to elaborate. Is this website your life?
06:37 PM on 05/02/2009
So what? There are only 58 CEOs that made more than an NBA player last year.

Everyone is OK with NBA salaries. If someone that oversees hundreds of billions in revenue and a workforce of 50,000 people makes much less than a basketball player, then something is wrong.

Quit hating just because someone makes more than you do.

If a CEO represents someone that probably has 16-20 years of schooling, and has consistently bested their peers, then don't you expect them to make many times more than the janitor that dropped out of school in the 8th grade?
08:16 PM on 05/02/2009
nobody's saying that it's wrong for people to be rich. All we're suggesting is that CEO's who buy our politicians are corrupt and do not deserve to be so filthy rich. It is IMMORAL. You do understand the concept of morality, don't you? See, if you're credit card and mortgage rates go up to fund the fact that there are many others who cannot afford to pay for them b/c their rates are too high, this is wrong, ok? 30% APR on credit cards is wrong and should not happen. It is Immoral! If a bank goes out of business b/c people won't pay money back on it's crappy loan agreements then why should you and I have to pay for that bank to stay in business and continue it's immoral behavior?

No one is hating on capitalism, as your post suggests. What is going on now is not capitallism. and it is not a democracy. Therefore, the same rules of those systems should not apply! When crazy things start happening to the gov't people begin to lose their faith in the politicians. And when this happens it isn't pretty. So whether or not you want to support the banks and their employees, the politicians, eventually you will change your mind. Because, at this rate, the banks will own everything and no one will have houses or credit cards or money to buy food, etc. Good luck to you, and thank you for the passion you bring.
04:42 PM on 05/02/2009
Basel II allowed banks to use their own models. No way any team could develop a standard model and populate it with data for 19 megabanks. So they probably used the banks' own models. Those same models failed spectacularly before to warn for the current situation (or management criminally and callously ignored those warnings?).
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
04:46 PM on 05/02/2009
You got it, JPHR:

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/speeches/2009/speech374.pdf

From above: "The short answer, I think, is that stress-testing was not being meaningfully used to manage risk. Rather, it was being used to manage regulation. Stress-testing was not so much regulatory arbitrage as regulatory camouflage."
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04:51 PM on 05/02/2009
In England?

Why is it that you praise this bank regulator from England speaking to a corporate group of hedge fund mangers but demonize Summers for speaking to a banking group.
04:42 PM on 05/02/2009
Here, since it will undoubtedly take 4 hours to post my responses to others.

Small banks, for a number of reasons, simply DID NOT package much of their debt into derivatives like the big banks did. This was for a number of reasons, including the fact that they tend to KNOW their customers and hence get paid back.

Studies have found that small banks simply tend to package their debt less, are less leveraged, and have packaged almost none of their debt into derivatives, while big banks have mostly hedged swap interest rate risk.

Small banks, being responsible= punished.
Big banks, being irresponsible= absolved, rewarded and bailed out.

There's something seriously wrong with that.
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
04:49 PM on 05/02/2009
Again, from the link below, which I will repost:

“Our purpose is to increase the confidence of our banks, so that they will deploy, not hoard, the capital,” Paulson said last week.

Whatever the Treasury Department’s actual intent, the reality is that banks are already sniffing out buyout targets, thanks to the TARP money. Indeed, they’ve been quite open about it during conference calls related to quarterly earnings, or in media interviews.

Take the Winston-Salem, N.C.-based BB&T Corp. (BBT). During a conference call that dealt with the bank’s third-quarter results, Chief Executive Officer John A. Allison IV said the Winston-Salem, N.C.-based bank “will probably participate” in the bailout program, accepting federal infusions. Allison didn’t say whether the federal money would induce BB&T to boost its lending. But he did say the bank would probably accept the money in order to finance its expansion plans,
The Wall Street Journal said.

“We think that there are going to be some acquisition opportunities – either now or in the near future – and this is a relatively inexpensive way to raise capital [to pay the buyout bill],” Allison said during the conference call.

Talk about brazen.

http://jutiagroup.com/2008/10/30/billions-in-bank-rescue-funds-are-fueling-buyout-deals-and-not-the-increase-in-loans-that-would-help-ease-the-financial-crisis/
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04:54 PM on 05/02/2009
We already know what happened in the first TARP.

Why rehash that without the considerations in the reform?
04:14 PM on 05/02/2009
I'd still like to hear an explanation for THIS:

"‘Stress tests’ harder on regional banks"
updated 1:20 p.m. CT, Tues., April 21, 2009
Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30328551/

I understand, although I don't agree with, the need to make the big banks look strong. I don't understand or agree with the need to make smaller, regional banks look bad.

So the government is, basically, taking a dim view of any loans by smaller, regional banks even to customers and businesses who have been with these banks for DECADES and never had a late payment. The fact that many of these small, regional banks know their customers and have exemplary ratings makes no difference.

But the government has, somehow, managed to take a positive view, for "systematic risk reasons", of larger, multi-national banks that admit to being up to their eyeballs in derivatives, whose own accounting books look horrible, who admit to sloppy practices and, many of whom, have committed outright fraud over the past decade. Crazy.

Help the irresponsible big banks if you must. But don't do it by harming the smaller, more responsible, regional banks that MOST small businesses and people depend on, and who have done everything right.
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04:20 PM on 05/02/2009
Small banking institutions need a strong secondary market.

Where do you think they sell their loans to when they become heavy with community debt?

We need banks to be banks. And not the large mish mash of funds atop one another.

This will take time to skim off the toxicity of banks and restructure. There has been the collapse that was possible. Isn't that at least a positive?
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04:21 PM on 05/02/2009
*There has NOT been the collapse that was possible.
04:34 PM on 05/02/2009
A lot of them don't HAVE to sell their loans, because they're actually PAYED BACK by local customers who live in the same community and have frequented the same small, regional banks for years.

Poppycock you say? Why do you think the small banks DIDN'T become caught up in the packaging and derivative fiasco we're in the midst of. Easy, they just weren't packaging and selling THAT many of their loans. They were getting them payed back.

The notion that the small banks were "heavy with community debt" and sold this debt to the big banks, which then packaged it into derivatives is NONSENSE. Ask the small banks. It simply NEVER happened. And you haven't seen articles, news stories, or reports saying it has because it HASN'T.

What happened was the BIG banks packaged all of their heavy debt into derivatives and just let everyone assume the small banks did the same. They didn't. And now they're being punished for it.
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
04:22 PM on 05/02/2009
But, you see, as Mr. Geithner has already explained, we must be concerned with "the system as a WHOLE." So, fear not, little Nell. For he and the FED are using "objective" determinants with "a certain degree of judgment" applied.
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04:23 PM on 05/02/2009
Better than using paranoia.
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04:01 PM on 05/02/2009
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So, this President was "chosen" to continue the plan. And as you've stated it's "e.vil" in it's forethought. And he's aware of the consequences, but is beholden to the "elite" that put him in this position. The election was a farce.

Do I state your position clearly?

Carolab See Profile I'm a Fan of Carolab I'm a fan of this user

Not even close. Nice attempt to falsely paint my position, again.

Would you like to revise that with an explanation?
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
04:06 PM on 05/02/2009
No, because you can read my earlier response to you. And feel free, by all means, as I said before, to C&P it if you wish, since you seem so intent on what you obviously believe to be some means by which you can publicly "shame" me.

Because you are a malintentioned malcontent, with a peculiar, unexplained and unwarranted vendetta toward me, as anyone can see, but please knock yourself out providing it, yet again.
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04:08 PM on 05/02/2009
Your rhetoric explains it better than I could.

It's easy to see you could "go there" with your language.
03:28 PM on 05/02/2009
These are the Banks that failed the stress tests....

JPMorgan Chase,
Goldman Sachs,Citibank, Wells Fargo, Sun Trust Bank, HSBC Bank USA
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
03:42 PM on 05/02/2009
Oh, and one can only imagine how much money they all "need". It just so happens these banks are the principal owners of the FED.

What a coinkydink.
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03:45 PM on 05/02/2009
Geithner has already said that the remaining 700b would be more than sufficient if there are cushions needed.

One speculative figure is 150b in this round.

You can put your hair out now.
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
02:35 PM on 05/02/2009
A few years ago, ahead of the present crisis, the Bank of England and the FSA commenced a series of seminars with financial firms, exploring their stress-testing practices. We had asked firms to tell us the sorts of stress which they routinely used for their stress-tests.

A quick survey suggested these were very modest stresses. We asked why. Perhaps disaster myopia – disappointing, but perhaps unsurprising? Or network externalities – we understood how difficult these were to capture?

No. There was a much simpler explanation according to one of those present. There was absolutely no incentive for individuals or teams to run severe stress tests and show these to management. First, because if there were such a severe shock, they would very likely lose their bonus and possibly their jobs. Second, because in that event the authorities would have to step-in anyway to save a bank and others suffering a similar plight.

All of the other assembled bankers began subjecting their shoes to intense scrutiny. The unspoken words had been spoken. The officials in the room were aghast. Did banks not understand that the official sector would not underwrite banks mismanaging their risks?

Yet history now tells us that the unnamed banker was spot-on.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/speeches/2009/speech374.pdf
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
02:36 PM on 05/02/2009
Contd:

More recently, the Bank and FSA have been engaged in some practical work with banks, running stress-tests through their models on common scenarios. When asked to assess the consequences of a macro stress-test, the like of which we are currently experiencing, some banks have found it problematic. In defence, they have suggested that such an exercise was only conducted annually as part of their Basel II preparations and as such new stress tests would take months to conduct.

This too was revealing. If even the most obvious stress-test took many weeks to prepare and assess, how could these tests meaningfully be used to manage risk? The short answer, I think, is that stress-testing was not being meaningfully used to manage risk. Rather, it was being used to manage regulation. Stress-testing was not so much regulatory arbitrage as regulatory camouflage.
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02:46 PM on 05/02/2009
Your link to the speech is broken.

Where did you copy and paste this opinion from?
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02:23 PM on 05/02/2009
Geithner's tests are mild, and the man looks mild. His friend Summers looks not so mild.

But neither of them is a mild curse on this country.

There was a mild excuse for Bill Clinton's letting these two guys fool him. I can't see any kind of excuse for Barack Obama.

As for Democrats, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Can't we get this idea straight finally? I'm not betting on it, are you