James Carville: If GOP Abandoned Christian Right, "Their Party Would Crumble"

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First Posted: 05- 4-09 11:50 AM   |   Updated: 06- 4-09 05:12 AM

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Democratic strategist James Carville warned on Monday that if the Republican Party were to abandon its decades-old alliance with the Christian Right, it would only cement major losses in party identification and vote totals for the GOP.

In an interview with the Huffington Post, the longtime Clinton confidant proclaimed that recent overtures among Republican officials to rethink their social issues platform would not have the big-tent benefits some envision.

"I don't think they can do that because their party would crumble," said Carville. "It would be like at a time when people were saying you have to move away from African-American voters or something, right? Their party would crumble. That is not an option really available to them. They can talk about other issues and do other things, but once you have a Republican nominee, or serious Republican leaders who are pro-choice or pro-gay marriage, they are going to lose a lot of their voting base. These people will break off. And I don't think that's a real open discussion among people that really know what is going on in the Republican Party."

The remarks certainly aren't music to Republican ears, even if they come from a partisan opponent. The basis for Carville's predictions, after all, come from data, reporting and conversations he conducted for his upcoming book, "40 More Years: How the Democrats Will Rule the Next Generation," co-authored by longtime aide, Rebecca Buckwalter-Poza.

In a excerpt provided to the Huffington Post, the man known as the Ragin Cajun notes that the voting power of the Christian Right has declined precipitously over the past forty years even as the GOP's reliance on the coalition has risen.

"Over the past few decades Republicans have come to rely heavily on, and cater to, the Christian right as a key voting bloc, but they now face a problem we might term diminishing electoral returns.... In the 1950s, about four in five voters were married white Christians. Now only two in five voters are married, white, and Christian."

And yet, even as their numbers dwindle, Christian conservatives still are defining the GOP. Citing data from pollster Alan Abramowitz of Emory University showing that Republican identification among conservative married white Christians increased from 64 percent to 90 percent during the past 30 years, Carville concludes that "there's nowhere to go from 90 percent, and Republicans aren't winning moderate and liberal Christians."

The data points to a larger Carville conclusion: that Democrats are on the precipice of a forty-year era of political dominance. He provides multiple rationales for this prognostication. Carville notes:

* The Republican Party now relies heavily on a few regions for all of its seats in Congress. Of the 41 Republican- held senate seats, 20 are southern, and of 178 Republican House seats, 86 are in the south.
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* Latino and Hispanic voters increased their vote share by a percentage point from 2004, from 8 to 9 percent, representing an increase of hundreds of thousands of votes--that went primarily to Obama

* In 2004, African- Americans made up 11 percent of the electorate. Four years later, they accounted for 13 percent of all voters in the presidential election. The 2-point increase in vote share is tremendous.

* Young Americans are dramatically Democratic and newly politically active. In 2008, voters ages eighteen to twenty- four gave Obama a 38-point margin, 68 percent to just 30 percent for McCain.

Presented with these trends, the GOP has often noted that politics is inherently cyclical. Power will return to the minority just as it did with Democrats in 2006 and 2008. But Carville argues that history proves those cycles are generally longer. "Forty-year cycles are pretty typical in American politics," he said. "If you start and look at 1896 to 1932, that was a very Republican era. You only had one Democratic president. From '32 to '68 was real Democratic dominance, the only Republican president was Eisenhower. Then in '68 to 2008 that was a real cycle for Republicans: 28 years for Republicans and 12 for Democrats. Just look at the charts."

In private, he adds, Republicans won't contradict him.

"Before I wrote this, by the way, I went to any number of Republican wise people and said 'tell me where this is wrong?' And they said, 'I can't.' Their conversation is always: we've lost a generation. Reagan brought a generation in. Remember, Reagan used to do better with younger voters than he did with the rest of the population and they're gone."


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Democratic strategist James Carville warned on Monday that if the Republican Party were to abandon its decades-old alliance with the Christian Right, it would only cement major losses in party identif...
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- Lvis I'm a Fan of Lvis permalink

GW Bush will be remembered as The Worst Ever but his non-election also marked the beginning of the end of the GOP.
Much as we despise W we also thank him because his infinite incompetence has destroyed his party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 05/05/2009
- larmarch5 I'm a Fan of larmarch5 39 fans permalink
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Wall-streeters and Wall-Marters form the repub party. The streeters are moving their support (money) to dems as fast as they can. The marters, like someone said, cling to their guns and bibles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 05/05/2009
- crayola 08 I'm a Fan of crayola 08 3 fans permalink
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whoever said that was spot on. he should be president. :P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 05/05/2009
- BushBites I'm a Fan of BushBites 31 fans permalink

I always considered the Repubs a three-legged party under Bush.

Wall Streeters (I call them "K Streeters")

Wall Marters (Evangelicals and Rednecks)

and

War Mongers (Neocons).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 05/05/2009
- futate01 I'm a Fan of futate01 34 fans permalink
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I guess it's time we tear down the WALL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 05/05/2009
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I love Pink Floyd!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 05/07/2009
- POLINUT I'm a Fan of POLINUT 6 fans permalink

Of course they would crumble without each other. Loonies need loonies to create their reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 05/05/2009
- madtom I'm a Fan of madtom 40 fans permalink
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Never fear, Carville is pointing out the obvious.

Nothing the Ragin' Cajun can do will alter the march of demographic history.

Republicans are now a racial, regional, religious RUMP party.

And thank God they are. We have endured enough of their insanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 05/05/2009
- Paulo1 I'm a Fan of Paulo1 41 fans permalink

To James Carville,

Could you please SHUSH UP. I am thoroughly enjoying the implosion of the Republican Party

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 05/05/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

If the Rebublicans broke into two parties, Religious Right, Big business Reps.and the Dems split up(as they seem to be) Centrist, and WayLeft.
Maybe we wouldn't have the 50/50 or 49/51 split we now have.
The smaller parties might work with each other form tempory coalitions and get somthing done.
Something that is sorely lacking now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 05/05/2009
- HallStyle I'm a Fan of HallStyle 11 fans permalink
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The sad fact is the Religious Right is the Republican Party. That and of course the R A C I S T R E D N E C K faction of the Party. That isn't a WINNING COMBINATION.

If they want to go harder to the Right that isn't a winning Strategy. They need to lean a little more towards the Libertarians and Moderates. They need to embrace the Colin Powells and the Arlen Specters, and the Ron Pauls instead of casting these guys to the side and dismissing them as lunatics.

Going towards Romney, McCain, J. BUSH and Cantor is a JOKE and they know it.

http://www.hallstyle.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 05/05/2009
- BushBites I'm a Fan of BushBites 31 fans permalink

They're hoping the guys who drove them off the cliff will drive them back onto the road.

Ain't gonna happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 05/05/2009
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Yes, but will the democrats be supple and capricious enough to cater to the internet generation?

We shall see

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 AM on 05/05/2009

Internet generation?????????

Did you miss the last election?

The Dems have been all over the internet and the so called internet generation is firmly on their side.

BTW: Why the internet generation is voting for the Dems really doesn't have much to do with the internet. It has to do with the issues.

Hello? Where have you been?????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 05/05/2009
- BushBites I'm a Fan of BushBites 31 fans permalink

He doesn't get out much, apparently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 05/05/2009
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Dude, just because the democrats got it for one election cycle doesn't mean they'll have it forever and it doesn't mean that we (myself included) will continue to be well served.

Rien est fixe. The future remains malleable

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 05/05/2009
- futate01 I'm a Fan of futate01 34 fans permalink
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He is being a snake. The only way the Rep party can survive is if it relinquishes the Jebus Freeks. There are many moderates and independents that would vote republican if they were certain that the hand of the Godhearded was not in the mix.

Carville is doing his job, manipulating the system in favor of the Democrats, but anytime anyone pushes an ideological agenda for a single group they end up hurting the whole nation. (Just look at the Bush years if you don't believe me.)

We need two strong parties and I would love to see the Rep's purge themselves of the Godherded and focus on real issues. Let the Christians create their own party that is wholly and completely theirs. There is nothing wrong with a three party system.

Democratic Party
Republican Party and
The Christian Party

I would prefer this so this way I know where my officials stand. I don't want Fund-ies masquerading either as Republicans or Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 05/05/2009
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If all the Christians joined one party then they would control America. There are 159 Million Christians in America that are of voting age.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 05/05/2009
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 188 fans permalink
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How many are rightwing evangelicals? They're the ones Carville is referring to (see- 'Christian Right').

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 05/05/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

That would be great. Then they could get things going for themselves, start a war, to make some money, fix it so their kids don't have to fight( College you know) send the
poorest of the poor to die,......­.Oh , Wait we've allready tried that back in the 60s....and 70s

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 05/05/2009

Many Christians would never follow the Republicans.

Why? They do not follow the Sermon on the Mount

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 05/05/2009
- tenzenz I'm a Fan of tenzenz 6 fans permalink

all you yahoos on here that prefer to call Carville names are obviously listening to Limbaugh & O'Reilly with your ears stuck between their legs & you no longer have any thoughts of your own. Carville has always shot straight from the hip, & the facts are the facts. One of his greatest moments was shortly after the former "Speaker Gingrich" stood up at his lecturn in front of Congress attacking President Clinton on the Lewinsky Debalce, & Carville said that Gingrich would be out of office in a matter of weeks. Lo and behold!!! What's that line in the bible about throwing stones? Bible thumpers= hypocrites­=GOP=Bible thumping hypocritical warmongers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 05/04/2009
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Or if they stay , it crumbles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 05/04/2009
- stubbhead I'm a Fan of stubbhead 2 fans permalink

This is not only about who they cater to, but who they are. I would bet that a significant number of the Republican office-holders are themselves right wing religionists. Does the name Rick Santorum ring a bell?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 05/05/2009

They have got to be willing to face the WRATH from the right before they can even begin to rebuild...­..but the good thing is they will at least have some time to do this....It is time for the GOP to rest anyway!!

And besides, the GOP's True Leader is still wearing diapers!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 05/04/2009
- j.gold I'm a Fan of j.gold 4 fans permalink

Oust Vitter!!! His poll numbers are down. I hope the stripper wins. We could use someone who understands business in NOLA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 05/05/2009
- BushBites I'm a Fan of BushBites 31 fans permalink

Funny.

I was thinking that Vitter should embrace his Whoring Ways.

Just say "I was trying to help the NO economy by supporting one of its oldest profession­s."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 05/05/2009
- RJII I'm a Fan of RJII 77 fans permalink
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please, hold on the your christain fanatics. don't let go GOP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 05/04/2009
- peter777 I'm a Fan of peter777 20 fans permalink

The Republicans have to face the fact that they must come up with an agenda with policies and direction that help the majority of the American people. More and more Americans are discovering the fact that they regularly vote against the interests of the majority of the people. The GOP office holder problem is that they have to defy the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh, Bortz, and about one hundred more talkers who won't allow any change from their definition of conservatism- which is actually a concoction of every policy that gives liberty to tax loopholes and evasion by the rich and corporations, little or no government, police in your bedroom, and controlled thought. That is the Reactionary Republican idea of what the founding fathers intended. Just listen to Rush, and he will straighten you out on history and their intent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 05/04/2009
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A few points: The SFGate is reporting that the Left Wing Democrats in the Tech sector do not like his recent tax loop hole comments. Why? It will stop them also. To claim that the Republicans have the only group of people that do this is not fair. Let us remember that just a few days ago the Bankruptcy Bill was killed by a Democratic controlled Senate. Do you not remember what is going on back in our President's home state with his old position and the past Governer? Lets go back a few years and remember the Gallo Family and what former President Clinton did for them. We can list just as many Republican crooks or deals that look to be not for the people.

What is wrong with the Republican Party is that it has left its roots. It was formed to change America. To support and fight for those who have no rights. To give when it hurts. To take a beating or give ones life for a fellow American in the name of justice. To listen, to love, to honor, and to serve our people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 05/05/2009
- stell I'm a Fan of stell 20 fans permalink

Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 AM on 05/05/2009
- stubbhead I'm a Fan of stubbhead 2 fans permalink

That politicians are corrupt is a given.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 05/05/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

You mean like when Katrina hit, they helped the little people by using the emergency to give no bid contracts to their contractor buddies,who broke the unions . Contractors that charged (Taxpayers) $2000.00 to streach a blue tarp over the roof. the developers who decended to buy up cheap property from people who were getting no help, So money making BIG houses could be built. Thats money making for the Big folks by the way not victims.
Yes those are real Republicans we know so well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 05/05/2009

Then the GOP must let the party crumble and rebuild it.

Before change can happen, one has to admit what is wrong and take responsibility for it.

The Christian Right is what is wrong with the Republican Party.



P.S. Carville, a yapping head equivalent to Limbaugh, is something that is wrong with the Democratic Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 05/04/2009
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What is wrong with the Republican Party is that they forgot why they were formed. They were formed to protect the rights of those who at that time had no rights. They were formed to fight for equal justice for all. They were formed to stop the unfair treatment from the wealthy. They were formed for moral and ethical reasons. This was lost starting in the early 1900's when the large company tycoons started taking over the Republican party and driving out the idealogy. If you push out the religious right out of the party then you would be left with high earners and corporation giants. What good would that do the Republican Party? That would lead them farther from their roots. They need to remember that there was a time that their past party memebers took beatings and lost lives to protect the life of African Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 05/04/2009
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What the Republicans are/were all changed after the 1964 presidential election.

Dixiecrats became Republicans and true Republicans sort of died out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 05/04/2009
- stubbhead I'm a Fan of stubbhead 2 fans permalink

I disagree merely because I believe that the "Republican Party" has been captured by the Christianists. Therefore, I think what needs to be done is that the libertarians and small-government conservatives will need to look elsewhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 05/05/2009

The Republican Party flipped when the Civil Rights Act was signed in 1964. The Dems in the South moved over to the Repubs who were all too willing to play on racist fears. The Bible Belt voters moved to them in lock step and now the GOP is full of religious zealots who want a country that never existed (theocracy) and never will.

These folks do not not know their history and the Repubs were all too willing to use them since Reagan.

I'm loving it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 05/05/2009
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