Arnold: Time To Talk About Legalizing Pot

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05/ 5/09 07:17 PM

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California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger called on Tuesday for an open debate on legalizing and taxing marijuana. A recent Field Poll showed that 56 percent of Californians support taxing and regulating marijuana as a way to address the state's fiscal crisis. Schwarzenegger was asked at a press conference if it was finally time to legalize marijuana.

"No, I think that it's not time for that, but I think it's time for a debate," he said, according to a transcript provided by Schwarzenegger's office. "And I think that we ought to study very carefully what other countries are doing that have legalized marijuana and other drugs, what affect it had on those countries, and are they happy with that decision."

The Mexican ambassador to the United States, Arturo Sarukhan, recently called for the United States to hold such a debate to address cartel-related violence. Mexico has decriminalized possession of marijuana but doesn't tax it.

James P. Gray, a retired Orange County Superior Court judge, applauded Schwarzenegger's openness. "Once people allow themselves to discuss the issue of treating marijuana like alcohol, the result is pre-ordained. Today marijuana is fully available for anyone that wants it -- expressly including our children -- so why not regulate and control it, and tax it as well? That will reduce the violence in its distribution, and bring in needed revenue for government," Gray, now a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, told the Huffington Post.

Schwarzenegger referenced his native country of Austria, which has recently loosened penalties on marijuana. "I've heard that they are unhappy with that and they want to roll back some of the decisions that were made in European countries. I've had dialogue with experts over there where I was born. So I think that one ought to look at all that. And it could very well be that everyone is happy with that decision and then we can look at that. And if not, we shouldn't do it," he said.

The movement to legalize pot has picked up steam in recent months as budget deficits have plagued both state and federal coffers. But for Arnold, the decision to legalize should be made on its own merits, not merely as a way to raise money.

"But just because of raising revenues, we have to be very careful not to make mistakes at the same time," he said.

Ryan Grim is the author of the forthcoming book This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger called on Tuesday for an open debate on legalizing and taxing marijuana. A recent Field Poll showed that 56 percent of Californians support taxing and regulat...
California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger called on Tuesday for an open debate on legalizing and taxing marijuana. A recent Field Poll showed that 56 percent of Californians support taxing and regulat...
 
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Marijuana is not crack-cocaine, methamphetamine nor heroin. It is not an addictive drug, I have no idea where you're getting your information from but I'm telling you you're wrong. Alcohol is actually much more dangerous than pot and causes many deaths. Pot has cause 0 deaths since the beginning of it's existence on this mother earth. Most of you here are miss informed about this plant, you should do some real research on it rather than bashing it because other miss informed people hate it. They only listen to what the media tells them rather than knowing the truth about cannabis, it's not harmful if you do it every once in a while, the only down side to doing it all the time is that it makes you lazy, not violent, only hard drugs and alcohol turn people into violent addicts who would steal and commit crimes to support their addiction. Smart pot heads would just stop.

You need to stop being miss informed and finally realize that pot isn't what the mainstream media and society makes it out to be. Look at the facts and do some research, though you may not know it, there are a lot of smart people out there who smoke pot and have a stable lifestyle.

The statistics show that there are less crimes in countries who legalized pot, with that it will be one step closer to legalization and the end of this wasteful drug war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 05/08/2009
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God Bless Arnold.

He got as far in front on the issue as a Governor could get without committing political suicide.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 05/07/2009

As a California Democrat I stood firmly against the four measures Governor Schwarzenegger introduced with a special election in 2005. I thought it was a blatant power grab and I was thrilled when all four propositions failed. However, over the past couple of years I have grown to appreciate major aspects of his pleasantly progressive philosophy: health care and his strong stance against the Bush administration's environmental policies. His consideration of legalizing marijana and his wilingness to speak openly about it only strengthen my admiration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 05/07/2009

Part 2 - It causes mania and psychosis. It promotes violence. It is a fact that people who use pot will commit crimes to support their addiction. They will steal, assault and murder to get their drug 'fix'. They can't help it, they are addicts. We just need more police, more judges and more jail space to solve the problem. More money to fight drugs is the solution. Legalizing it, taxing it and using the money to fund social services, medical care and then removing criminal records of those convicted of possession of this horrible drug is not a solution. It just makes no sense. I don't believe that those with criminal records will become employable once their record is cleared. Drug addicts are easy to spot. Pot users are unemployable. They are completely dysfunctional and can never get decent employment.

Continue the drug war...it is working. It is money well spent. Every dollar spent is an investment. Build more jails to lock up all the criminals who use this terrible drug.

Arnie, please don't legalize it. It won't work. Keep up the war on drugs. Just dedicate more money to the fight...it is working well. Keep up the fight and drug use will soon stop completely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 05/07/2009
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You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 05/07/2009

People should only speak what they know.In the past 100,000 years 0 deaths have been caused directly from the use of pot.Ask about alcohol....It has never been proven by ANYONE that pot is harmful,or causes any "mania or psychosis",as for violence...the only thing pot promotes is hunger and lethargy...Not violence.Cases where violence and mental instabibility have occured have been due to other drugs or mental illness...not pot.AS for bieng a gateway drug...People who use drugs as a rule set out to do so.If it were not pot it would be something else.Pot is just highly accessable.The plant never should have been made illegal in the first place.
The negative posts on this forum are a direct result of 1950s propaganda and the people should try to be more open minded and educate themselves.It is 2009 and our eyes have been opened to lots of new things...Come join the people of today and stop condeming others for not bieng you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 05/07/2009
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MYTHIRDONE.....You are right !!! Let keep the youth binging on alcohol and tobacco plus topping them with some of Mom and Dad meds cabinet.... Let keep the mafias rulling the streets. Let out old fellows going through chmeo and other terrible illnesses depends on the big drug corporations and let keep hiding that they have better alternatives. And finally let make sure we do not progress otherwise...what would be next??? banning guns and weappons???

WAKE UP!!!! it is 2009 and we have a President with brains...your times are gone!!!! get over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 05/07/2009
- tck29 I'm a Fan of tck29 9 fans permalink

You missed it. MYTHIRDONE has tongue firmly planted in cheek.

Re-read the post; it is completely absurd! Amazing how the prohibitionist postion looks so ridiculous when printed.

And we need to stop referring to marijuana as a drug. That just plays into the prohibitionist rhetoric. Marijuana is an herb, not a drug, and is not addictive or harmful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 05/07/2009
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part 2

Should pot be legal? Maybe - it should definitely be looked into. Personally, I think it should, but I have good, sane reason to back it up... and references too! Check it:

1. Pot is not going to cause an "addict" to rob, steal and murder to get a fix, that's not how it works. It's the same concept as an alcoholic, and on a much smaller scale. It would take the equivalent of 15-20 joints A DAY to reach a point where any sort of dependency would be present. So, basically... if you smoked 20 joints a day, you MIGHT show some minor dependencies. You can't really say the same thing about alcohol, or many meds these days. You drink 20 beers a day for a while, you will become an alcoholic, and from personal experiences, when booze creates that void in your life, violence and stupidity engulf your life. So, why is pot on the illegal side and alcohol on the legal side? on to point 2.

2. Prohibition. Dated, moronic prohibition. Look, if you want to use dated laws from the 20's and 30's, then you are going to have to turn back the clock, and strip our nation of the progress we've made concerning the liberation of women and african americans. Pot is only still illegal because no one has had the balls to update the laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 05/13/2009
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part 3

Is the world flat? no. Should slavery be legal? no. Is pot harmful? no. It is FACT that it's not harmful in comparison to alcohol, caffeine, opiates all of which are legal in America to an extent.

Here are some exerts from my sources listed below:
Preliminary Estimates from the 1993 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse, Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (1994).
and from:
Martin, B.R., "Marijuana: What It Is and What It Does," Presentation at NIDA's National Conference on Marijuana Use Prevention, Treatment and Research," Arlington, VA (July 1995).

"National epidemiological surveys show that the large majority of people who have had experience with marijuana do not become regular users.

In 1993, among Americans age 12 and over, about 34% had used marijuana sometime in their life, but only 9% had used it in the past year, 4.3% in the past month, and 2.8% in the past week.

A longitudinal study of young adults who had first been surveyed in high school also found a high "discontinuation rate" for marijuana. While 77% had used the drug, 74% of those had not used in the past year and 84% had not used in the past month.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 05/13/2009

Part 1 - Marijuana should NEVER be legalized. It is a gateway drug that will, in all cases, lead to use of other drugs such as heroin and cocaine. There is so much proof of that it isn't even open for debate. I think that if the government just spent a few billion $$$$ more, they would be able to break the backs of the drug dealers/growers and stop people from using drugs altogether. Almost everyone wants to see drug use stop and the claim that a majority of people want to see it legalized is just false. There is no proof that people want it legalized.There is no problem that can't be solved by throwing more money and personnel at it. I think the argument that legalizing it will stop the black market and take dealers out of the picture is just ludicrous. The government just needs to spend more money and dedicate more police, lawyers, judges, probation officers and jail space to these criminals. Anyone who uses pot (even a tiny little joint) should spend the rest of their lives in jail. They have a deathwish anyway. POT KILLS!!! It is a terribly dangerous drug.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 05/07/2009

MYTHIRDONE gateway drug?Ive been smoking Cannabis for 6 years and i havent even tried any other drug,what?spend another 1/4 of the government budget for something that is useless?the government already tried that,it doesn't work!the government is already in crisis and you still wanna make it worse?give the money to something useful like education,POT KILLS?You are ignorant.Stop making comments that doesnt even make sense.educate yourself on the subject before blurting out non sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 05/11/2009
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Yes! Freedom!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 05/06/2009

Let's do it, Arnold. You could save the state budget with this deal. Come on, it's time. Marijuana is harmless, and should be available to adults--as available as booze, which is much, much more dangerous than pot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 05/06/2009
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What in the world is there to discuss other than the fact that our government claims to this day that Marijuana has no medicinal value? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis#Indications ( I have spent a good 40 hours researching and logging all findings here )

If i, a nobody with no scientific education, can find all of this evidence for the medical value of cannabis and our government cannot, how can I be expected to take ANYTHING coming from the Federal Government seriously?

If i end up in prison because i choose to take a medicine (for paralysis) that helps and so far, in 37 years, has not done any harm, RATHER than take the legally sanctioned ones that do not work for me and DO have bothersome and sometimes deadly side effects, then so fricking be it! (But dang, i so love my soft bed...)

Oh, and then there's this: http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/marijuana-is-safer-than-asprin-and-other-legal-drugs-2/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 05/06/2009
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I'm not a big religion freak, but this was way cool---

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-pastors-marijuana-29-apr29,0,5170737.story

Getting the churches on board can't be all bad... they do constitute a lot of voter power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 05/06/2009
- zest I'm a Fan of zest 14 fans permalink

How can a plant be illegal? What would god say, didn't he create it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 05/06/2009
- logan9 I'm a Fan of logan9 5 fans permalink

Stop the talk and LEGALIZE already! It should have happened 30 years ago, before I was even born!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 05/06/2009
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Didn't I read a couple months back that Oregon was already going through the process of legalizing? What ever happened to that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 05/06/2009
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I think you may be referring to OCTA (Oregon Cannabis tax Act)
They have stopped gathering sigs for it. It was going to be on the Ballot for 2010.
http://www.ornorml.org/sources/OCTA%20Graphs.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 05/06/2009
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Thank you Arnold

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 05/06/2009
- Horus45 I'm a Fan of Horus45 32 fans permalink
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The ONLY reason why marijuana was outlawed was because Randolf Hearst saw marijuana becoming a cheaper alternative to using wood pulp for paper. Hearst was not only a newspaper man, he also owned the rights to huge tracts of forest that he intended on harvesting for paper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/06/2009

HEMP!!! Marijuana & Hemp are two different things. You can't smoke hemp but you can replace timber products and petroleum products with it. Hemp was used for thousands of years for paper making. First bible was printed on hemp paper. Do yourself a favor and read Jack Herer's The Emperor Wears No Clothes.

His book is entirely on-line. http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 05/06/2009
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Yes, now that is the case, but back then when it was outlawed there was no distinction between marijuana and hemp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 05/06/2009

right on ar nold. 'roll another one, just like the other one'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 05/06/2009
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