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Mike Pence Uses Bogus Numbers To Raise "Tax Hike" Alarm (VIDEO)

First Posted: 06/05/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:20 PM ET

Media Monitor Susan flags a segment from this afternoon's coverage on MSNBC. In it, Congressman Mike Pence (R-Ind.) appeared, holding forth with Andrea Mitchell on his objections to cap and trade legislation. I honestly don't know where Mitchell's head was at, but Pence was allowed to make a bunch of claims that deserved parrying:

MITCHELL: Joining us now live from Capitol Hill, Indiana Republican, Congressman Mike Pence, Chairman of the House Republican Conference, serves on the Foreign Affairs Committee. Thanks so much for joining us. What are your objections to the current proposals you're seeing on the Hill from the Democratic side?

PENCE: Well, we just believe that the so-called cap and trade bill that's being moved behind closed doors on Capitol Hill amounts to nothing short of a national energy tax. According to some independent estimates, the average American household could see their energy costs go up by more than $3,000 per year. We heard testimony today at an energy summit hosted by House Republicans that this national energy tax could literally cost millions of American jobs in the next 20 years. And we just believe there's a better way we can achieve a cleaner environment.

See, the first thing I'd have done is ask Pence to cite the source of this so-called independent estimate, because we've heard about this $3,000-per-household tax increase figure before -- from a widely reported-on instance of an MIT scientist's work being badly mishandled by GOP politicians. And if the "independent" studies Pence cites are actually this MIT study, or relate to it in some way, I'd like to know about it!

From Talking Points Memo, April 2, 2009, by Brian Beutler:

I just got off the phone with John Reilly--the M.I.T. scientist whose study of the costs of cap-and-trade legislation has been badly abused by House Republicans--and he gave me a complete rundown of his unfortunate involvement in climate change politics.


Here's a brief timeline of events:

* April, 2007: Reilly and several coauthors release a paper titled "Assessment of U.S. Cap-and-Trade Proposals, which estimates early annual revenues from such legislation would run $366 billion

* Sometime between April, 2007 and March, 2009: House Republicans get a hold of his paper, divide $366 billion by the number of households in America, and conclude, erroneously, that the quotient ($3,128) will be the average cost per home.

* March, 2009: Republicans begin using this number in press releases, citing Reilly's study

* Shortly thereafter: The Obama administration gets in touch with Dr. Reilly and asks him to explain his study and the number--he corrects the record.

From there, there are further instances of Reilly having to explain, again and again, that he never said any such thing about the per household cost of the cap and trade proposal. And I have to wonder if maybe this continues to happen because people like Andrea Mitchell refuse to challenge these erroneous contentions.

And Mitchell doesn't here, with Pence, either, moving on to matters of process in lieu of matters of fact and eventually changing the subject entirely. And what can one say? She could have also challenged the validity of asserting the factual basis of anything that issued forth from this Echo Chamber Summit on Some Stuff We'll Say About Cap And Trade. She could have also asked if Pence really, really had "a better way we can achieve a cleaner environment," or if that was going to be like the House GOP's "budget" -- twenty pages of news-cycle-winning clip art and bromides.

Anyway, maybe Mitchell learned to play dumb in front of people who misuse the work of scientists from Fred Hiatt.

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Media Monitor Susan flags a segment from this afternoon's coverage on MSNBC. In it, Congressman Mike Pence (R-Ind.) appeared, holding forth with Andrea Mitchell on his objections to cap and trade leg...
Media Monitor Susan flags a segment from this afternoon's coverage on MSNBC. In it, Congressman Mike Pence (R-Ind.) appeared, holding forth with Andrea Mitchell on his objections to cap and trade leg...
 
 
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10:59 AM on 05/06/2009
what happened to clean coal technology?
10:05 AM on 05/06/2009
I should be able to install alternative energy sources average it over 3 years and add any maintenance cost take this number average it over 3 years the number should be less than if I bought the power from the grid

In Ohio the return on solar is now 10-12 years………before taxing carbon come up with cost effective solutions
09:51 AM on 05/06/2009
whatever the numbers are tax and cap is a bad plan.......if they wish to change the carbon footprint that people have come up with alternatives that are cost effective people will change over quickly.......this is tax the carbon usage so that i might want to pay the higher cost of the few alternatives available now.......
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PresidentRobertBooth
08:46 AM on 05/06/2009
"That is hard to over come even when you have a giant press corp (cbs, nbc, abc, cnn, msnbc, nyt ) pushing your agenda each day"

Oh irony of ironies.

Two words.

"FOX" and "News".
07:58 AM on 05/06/2009
What would be wrong with a "carbon tax," anyway?
I mean, why not tax carbon emmissions and lower income taxes?
Doesn't it make sense to tax things you want to reduce, instead of income?
I wish Republicans would grow brains-imagine Bush with a brain...
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Certifiable
09:47 AM on 05/06/2009
The only real problem I see with this approach, is social investment and private profits.

How much money do taxpayers give away as investment money before we demand a return on our OWN investments? We want to build a new smart grid, which will make it easier and more cost effective to PROFIT on the very people that made the investment.

Not to mention that electricity is monopolized, so there is no free market to bring cost competition into the equation, so this is not capitalism, nor socialism, but some hybrid win-win for energy companies.
01:55 AM on 05/06/2009
Pence is using bogus numbers????

Obama's entire plan is bogus. Even with his BS numbers the CBO said his plan will bankrupt this country. That is hard to over come even when you have a giant press corp (cbs, nbc, abc, cnn, msnbc, nyt ) pushing your agenda each day.

Stop the BS Obama.
07:53 AM on 05/06/2009
Obama won't bankrupt the nation, he is too late.
Bush already did, (thanks also to his republican majority in congress for 6 of the years he was squandering our blood and money).
09:30 AM on 05/06/2009
even if i accept your premise that the nation is bankrupt, so now we should tax energy.......and make the economy worse good plan
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Certifiable
09:50 AM on 05/06/2009
That is not what the CBO said.

When did stupid become the new cool?
08:22 PM on 05/05/2009
She couldn't hear past her nose.
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WTF1956
08:12 PM on 05/05/2009
I like how Matthews went after Pence for his religious convictions. Why does he feel the need to do this people? After all, it's obvious the Founding Fathers believed in a higher power.
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10:22 PM on 05/05/2009
Many were what are called Deists...they believed in an original creative power in the Universe that set the natural forces into operation. That neither would counter any new Scientific evidence about the natural processes. It certainly would not mean that they were 7-day, 6000 year Creationists. By that time Hutton and others had already dissipated a literalist interpretation of Earth History. Jefferson gave out copies of his non-deistic "Jefferson Bible" to members of Congress...with all the miracles cut out.

But even if the Framers were Theists (meaning the belief in a god actively involve in manipulating day-to-day events) - what of it? Most of Scientific discovery followed the 18th century. Are we going to be like some fundamentalist Muslims and insist on living a world at the time of Mohammed? Start powdering our wigs and whipping our slaves again?
07:56 AM on 05/06/2009
The founding fathers believed in several higher powers, that is why they encoded freedom of religion.
At the time, the war in France over the Heugonauts, the spanish inquisition, King Henry's purges, etc. were still in people's minds.
The founding fathers were terrified of people using religion as a tool of statescraft, because they saw it leading to blood.
But it isn't as though people are blowing up abortion clinics today, so they must have been idiots.
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WTF1956
08:10 PM on 05/05/2009
I heard that if we closed the loope holes that would bring in $210 Billion a year. How is that going to cover all the current spending?
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WTF1956
08:08 PM on 05/05/2009
Eveyone keeps telling me I got ths tax cut. Where is it? I don't see it?
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NoMoFearNoMoHate
08:35 PM on 05/05/2009
I got mine - sounds like your bosses are shafting you. I suggest you go to your local democratic political office and bring your pay stubs, they'll help solve the problem.
07:57 AM on 05/06/2009
The tax cut applies to 2009, so you will see it when you file your 2009 tax return, in Jan or Apr 2010.
sometimes I wish god had given republican's brains, of course then they would be democrats.
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Condi1836
07:57 PM on 05/05/2009
Pence was interviewed on all of the NBC outlets today citing these figures each time and was not challenged at all. NBC has really dropped the ball since they were accused of bias. Now they bend right.

Thanks for this story - maybe it will be picked up by First Read.
08:30 AM on 05/06/2009
They don't bend "right". The bend "uninformed" prior to doing interviews.
07:57 PM on 05/05/2009
There is also a glaring and more incidious aspect of what Mike Pence said and did today which seems to be a disturbing trend amongst Republicans. That is lie and make up completely unsubtantiated facts such as Virginia Foxx with and Michelle Bachmann have been doing recently with the Matthew Shepard, and pass these falsehoods as omitted facts. Karl Rove is implying Democrats lead us into Iraq and Obama is a dictator. Again these lies are meant for the talk radio circuit who listen to these lies and believe what is told, especially if a Limbaugh or Hannity regurgitate them.
07:56 PM on 05/05/2009
The GOP have made an art of lying. They do it so well. I don't understand how they look at themselves in the mirror.
08:33 AM on 05/06/2009
I wish there was a website that listed all of the falsehoods repeated by our public officials over the course of their careers. It would keep them from lying to us 24-7 if they knew that the American people were really paying attention.
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07:53 PM on 05/05/2009
She must have some powerful people backing her because I don't see how she keeps that job. Half the time it seems she just got startled out of a slumber when she asks a question.
12:48 PM on 05/06/2009
Hilarious--and true!
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Don't tell me you're a patriot. Make me guess.
07:53 PM on 05/05/2009
Mitchell is as much a pawn of the Rs as anyone out there. And then she (ick) goes home to Greenspan.