Schumer Puts Health Care Ball In Nelson's Court

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Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) dealt a blow to health care reform last week when he said that any overhaul that involved the creation of a public plan that patients could buy into would be a "deal breaker" for him.

Because Democrats in the Senate can pass an overhaul with only 50 votes, Nelson's lone vote isn't crucial in itself, but conservative Democratic senators have a tendency to travel together. Once one leaves the Democratic herd, others quickly follow, not wanting to be the last one to bolt and sink the bill but not wanting to go along with it, either.

Take the Employee Free Choice Act. When votes starting breaking against EFCA, labor's top priority, there was a "centrist" stampede for the safety of the boss's office.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) is moving quickly to herd those cats back before they all scatter. Nelson and his allies object to a public health care option because they say it will have unfair advantages over private plans and drive them out of business.

"My belief is if you put a private plan in competition with a public plan, the public plan will win out, either in the short term, intermediate term or long term, because it's not a level playing field any way you look at it," Nelson tells the Huffington Post.

Schumer wants to hit that argument head on. "We think the public plan has major advantages to the consumer without having extra advantages built in. So we're willing to say: level playing field. Let's compete. We'll do a better job," he says.

That leaves the Nelsons of the Senate, along with the insurance industry lobby, in the difficult political position of opposing competition.

Schumer's plan would give no subsidy to a public plan and require that it abide by the same rules as private plans. It would outperform the private plans, he says, because it would focus on long-term health rather than quarterly profits.

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"A public plan will much more take into account public goods, insuring those no one else will insure and putting a greater emphasis on primary care. It's basically patients over profits. The public plan is consumer-oriented first. The private plans are profit-oriented first. That's the fundamental difference," he says in an interview with the Huffington Post. "They don't have to make a profit. They don't have to advertise."

The public plan would be fully funded by premiums from patients and fees from doctors and hospitals. Without details yet of the costs of the public plan from the Congressional Budget Office, it's hard to know what the premiums or payments will be, but Schumer wants it to pay more than Medicare to encourage doctor participation. (Here's background on the fight over the public plan.)

"I'm saying, overall, Medicare pays less than the private plans. And to have [the public plan] pay a little more, that's okay," he says.

Schumer has taken some heat from the left for his compromise, with advocates pushing for a more generously funded public plan. Schumer says he agrees with them and "personally would go further, but the key was to get a broad enough consensus that people say, 'Hey, the public option is very real.' And I think we've accomplished that."

The compromise proposal puts the onus on Nelson to answer: Why shouldn't people have the option to buy into a public plan if it doesn't cost the government anything?

"The great worry that we have is there will be no public option in the Senate bill and I think the proposal that we've made really has helped put it back on the map. We can debate whether it goes far enough," says Schumer.

"A public plan keeps the private insurers honest. Having it on the table is a huge benefit even if you don't agree with each specific detail, or even if you don't think it goes far enough, which would be basically where I'm at. But my job is to make sure a public plan is in the bill."

Nelson's proposal for reform sounds familiar to participants in the debate. He wants to gradually cover the uninsured, bring down costs and increase quality.

"There are two aspects of it and some aspects of the first can be going on during the second as well. First of all you have to have a reform of the health delivery system," he says, "aimed at reducing the cost, increasing the quality, reducing the quantity and improving the health care. The second piece of it is to find a way to insure the 45 to 50 million Americans who aren't insured...You find a way to have them insured without destabilizing the 150 million Americans who have a private plan."

The details of his plan are familiar, too. Compare Nelson's plan here to the insurance industry's proposal here.

Democrats have public opinion on their side. A recent poll showed overwhelming support for a public option. GOP pollster Frank Luntz, in a memo to Republicans leaked to Politico Wednesday, tried to get through to the GOP that obstruction alone is no answer.

"You simply MUST be vocally and passionately on the side of REFORM," Luntz writes in a confidential 26-page report. "The status quo is no longer acceptable. If the dynamic becomes 'President Obama is on the side of reform and Republicans are against it,' then the battle is lost and every word in this document is useless. Republicans must be for the right kind of reform that protects the quality of healthcare for all Americans. And you must establish your support of reform early in your presentation."

Schumer says that, so far, his plan has been well received, with members in his party at both ends recognizing the political necessity of compromise and consensus.

"The reaction overall is good," he says. "Neither the most conservative nor the most liberal would write the plan this way in the Democratic caucus, but both would say it's a reasonable place to be right now."


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Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) dealt a blow to health care reform last week when he said that any overhaul that involved the creation of a public plan that patients could buy into would be a "deal breaker" ...
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) dealt a blow to health care reform last week when he said that any overhaul that involved the creation of a public plan that patients could buy into would be a "deal breaker" ...
 
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- 000Jade000 I'm a Fan of 000Jade000 67 fans permalink

National Day of Action on H.R. 676: Single Payer Healthcare for all TOMORROW:

http://www.healthcare-now.org/campaigns/may-30th-day-of-action/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 05/29/2009

If private plans can't compete against a public plan, isn't that the point? We would pick the best, and that would force the loser to change or go out of business..­.As a consumer I want the winner, not some rigged game where the lousy options win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 05/29/2009
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Schumer is simply using Nelson and other corporate panderers to do some pandering of his own. Schumer is taking care of Schumer and trying to destroy meaningful reform: http://www.dirtsweatsoul.com/2009/05/chuck-schumers-magic-healthcare-tonic.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 05/10/2009

No kidding!!! "I'm saying, overall, Medicare pays less than the private plans. And to have [the public plan] pay a little more, that's okay," he says."

Medicare pays about 50% (often less ..much less) of what private insurance pays. Private insurance has been the silent supporter for Medicare to fly. Once there is no private insurance so that we all prop up Medicare..­.then what?

Here is what Germany has to say about private plans supporting public plans.

"Reforming Germany's health care system is considered crucial by most politicians on both the left and the right. But what that reform should look like is a matter of much debate.

"Many doctor's offices in Germany are dependent on these higher private fees," said Roland Stahl, a spokesman for the National Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians. "If they disappear, then about one-third of the medical practices in Germany would go under." "German hospitals are coming under increasing pressure to cut costs, and are seeking concessions from their medical staff. Doctors working in hospitals are paid roughly the same salary as an elementary school teacher, despite having to endure work weeks that often amount to more than 60 hours."

Yep....it will be very interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 05/07/2009
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It's very encouraging to read all the comments here in support of a Single Payer system. And attention paid to dental care, which is obscenely expensive. I posted this much earlier today: "I'm retired military. I get excellent health care through my Naval Hospital and the VA. Sen. Nelson and his fellow govenment workers get the same excellent care. And it's FREE. Well, not really. It's paid for by my fellow citizen taxpayers. We are the beneficiaries of a Single Payer system. Teabaggers call it "socialized medicine." Let 'em. Can someone explain to me why I and Nelson and company are more deserving of our "free" healthcare than the factory worker, the student, the nurse, the grocery clerk, the accident victim, the housewife, the child... you get the drift? Because I don't understand why I and Nelson are so special. I'll be happy to pay my share of taxes so that ALL Americans are covered. "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 05/06/2009
- jwredd I'm a Fan of jwredd 50 fans permalink

Well......­. you and Ben Nelson must have long waiting periods whenever you seek treatment like all those socialized countries. Thank god the government can't force the rest of us into that and take away our freedom of choice! Oh wait... my choices all suck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 05/06/2009
- pfrogger I'm a Fan of pfrogger 61 fans permalink

what?
does that last part make sense? are you being sarcastic?

long waiting periods? really?
funny how the military and our elected representatives don't mind.
they don't mind one bit. since they can legislate a change or get a private insurance plan, and they all get paid very well, I wonder why they don't change?
hmmmmmm?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 05/11/2009
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Freedom of choice:

Opt. 1) Go to the emergency room. Avoid the bill collectors until you file for bankruptcy

Opt. 2) Pay a third of your annual income for a "catastrophic" plan than only covers hospital costs for a major medical emergency.

Opt. 3) Pay half of your annual income for a plan that does'nt cover medication, dental, or vision.

Opt. 4) Get a job like Sen. Nelson where your health coverage is paid for by the government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 05/29/2009

It's time to stop complaining on this blog and contact these politicans directly:

Finance Committee - 111th Congress - 2009

Democrats:

http://baucus.senate.gov/contact/emailForm.cfm?subj=issue - Montana

http://rockefeller.senate.gov/ - West Virginia

http://conrad.senate.gov/ - North Dakota

http://bingaman.senate.gov/ - New Mexico

http://kerry.senate.gov/ - Massachusetts

http://lincoln.senate.gov/ - Arkansas

http://wyden.senate.gov/ - Oregon

http://schumer.senate.gov/ - New York

http://stabenow.senate.gov/ - Michigan

http://cantwell.senate.gov/ - Washington

http://billnelson.senate.gov/ - Florida

http://menendez.senate.gov/ - New Jersey

http://carper.senate.gov/ - Delaware


Republicans:

http://grassley.senate.gov/ - Iowa

http://hatch.senate.gov/public/ - Utah

http://snowe.senate.gov/public/ - Maine

http://kyl.senate.gov/ - Arizona

http://bunning.senate.gov/public/ - Kentucky

http://crapo.senate.gov/ - Idaho

http://roberts.senate.gov/public/ - Kansas

http://ensign.senate.gov/public/ - Nevada

http://enzi.senate.gov/public/ - Wyoming

http://cornyn.senate.gov/public/ - Texas

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 05/06/2009
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Let's see if anyone will indulge me in a little mental exercise here.

Let's assume that insurance reform goes through and is implemented, and everyone has access to care. What happens then, when more people are getting sick, because more people have access to the "best possible care in the world", and yet it is still not improved above what it is today, meaning that there will still be people who are born with disabilities that will not otherwise kill them, but they will be put on medication for 20, 30, 40 years, and peoplee start to realize on around their 40th birthday that they are dying from kidney, liver and/or heart failure that can be traced to the deteriorous effects of years of perfectly legal FDA approved drugs, such as aspirin which is well known to cause liver damage, or antibiotics that are known to cause heart valve damage?

Is anyone bold enough to answer me that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 05/06/2009
- pfrogger I'm a Fan of pfrogger 61 fans permalink

aspirin is acetylsalicylic acid. are you saying it causes liver disease? Reye's syndrome is a very rare disease http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/r/reyes_syndrome/prevalence.htmm) associated with aspirin use in those under 18.
acetylsalicylic acid major contraindications are kidney problems and GI ulcers (which are common issues).

second, reread your long rant of a question that lacks coherence.
what happens when more people are getting sick? well I'm glad you asked. most countries with universal healthcare place a fundamental importance on preventative care. this either prevents disease, or minimizes disease (either delaying onset, or decreased severity).

as a doctor I see the effects of America's healthcare system daily. either people have no insurance, don't see the doctor, develop hypertension, then come in after 20-30 years of no medical treatment. at which point the hypertension has effected every organ system, and we are required to do what is known as the million dollar workup (which is usually 500,000 or more).
or we could have given him a pill that costs $100 a year (generics work for a large % of the pop.) and avoid his diminished physical/mental capacity, increased quality of life, and big surprise - increase productivity. the former happens every day across America. who pays? the taxpayer!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 05/11/2009
- Fireslayer I'm a Fan of Fireslayer 12 fans permalink
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Lets so public option over them. We have 60% plus of the public- and will have 70% when Obama goes on the stump for this plan.

Time for the Nelsons of the party to lead, follow or get the frick outta the way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 05/06/2009

Dream on! You don't have 60% and when the public starts hearing the plans you will even have less support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 05/07/2009
- pfrogger I'm a Fan of pfrogger 61 fans permalink

ok? why is that?
is the plan flawed, or your logic?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 05/11/2009
- JSquercia I'm a Fan of JSquercia 3 fans permalink

So the bottom line is that the private plans can't compete against a Government Plan , yes i can believe that because it is cheaper when you don't have pay Stockholders , CEO's and large Advertising Budgets and of course Lobbyists . Medicare spends far less on Administrative costs than Private Plans . I believe the figure is about 10% for Medicare and 30% for Private Plans.

Using Ben's logic a Non Profit Health Insurance Plan has an Unfair Advantage over For Profit plans , as would a Heath Care Coop .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 05/29/2009

It's funny, it looks like some Dems. only believe in something they think won't happen and now that the time comes to make these hard choices they doing the same as the GOP and checking their wallets first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 05/06/2009
- gintheb I'm a Fan of gintheb 8 fans permalink

It begs the question: why is this man smiling?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 05/06/2009
- BBackSoon I'm a Fan of BBackSoon 39 fans permalink
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I have said it before and will again.

I don’t want affordable Health Insurance. I want affordable Health Care!

And I want my Dental and Eye care covered by the same plan. Why is dental insurance such a joke?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 05/06/2009
- sandpiper1 I'm a Fan of sandpiper1 13 fans permalink

Why two insurance systems which will only cause problems? Does it not make sense to go with a universal health system which will be cheaper in the long run and give everyone equality of care?
In Ontario, Canada, basic dental care such as extraction, fillings, cleaning etc., is not covered under the health plan unless it's major dental surgery ie jaw reconstruction and the like. We have supplemental private health insurance that covers these cases. Most private insurance is split 50/50 between employer/emplyee. The employer purchases the plan as a group insurance which is more often cheaper than for the individuals to purchase it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 05/06/2009

Ah someone that knows the OHIP.

I have a question. If Ontario residents are eligible for provincially funded health coverage (OHIP). To be eligible for Ontario health coverage you must :
be a Canadian citizen or have immigration status as set out in Ontario's Health Insurance Act, and make your permanent and principal home in Ontario, and be physically present in Ontario 153 days in any 12-month period.

Does the OHIP pay out $billions a year taking care of illegal immigrants or is the USA the only silly country? Since to access the OHIP you need a card, illegal means no card.

Why do the politicians in this country always have non-citizens covered under their public plans? Votes maybe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 05/07/2009
- brt929 I'm a Fan of brt929 54 fans permalink
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Why is dental insurance such a joke?

It's not a joke, it's just not profitable for the insurance companies. Another reason that universal health care would be a better choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 05/06/2009

Ah dentists. Now that is where the real money is made and you don't even need MD school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 05/07/2009
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but for some unknown reason Dentists have one of the highest suicide rates of any profession.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 05/29/2009
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 62 fans permalink

How much money from private health plans rolls into nelson's campaign..­.lets expose this man's reason for fighting the plan and let Nebraskans know the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 05/06/2009
- HowdyDoody I'm a Fan of HowdyDoody 38 fans permalink
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Take a look at www.opensecrets.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 05/06/2009

I agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 05/06/2009
- Jenzig I'm a Fan of Jenzig 2 fans permalink

A "penetrating expose" as Bachmann would put it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 05/06/2009
- Jenzig I'm a Fan of Jenzig 2 fans permalink

Let's organize a "tea party" in honor of the single payer healthcare plan.
At least we'd get some news coverage. Except for fox.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 05/06/2009

Can you believe the chutzpah of these politicians? Denying 'single-payer' health plans to their constituents, while their constituents are paying for 'single-payer' plans for them??? Unbelievable! Yesterday, in the healthcare committee, I heard Senator Baucus say to the protesters, after being continuously interrupted by protesters that shouted their disgust and dismay that 'single-payer' advocates were completely MISSING from the invitees to the committee to offer their ideas, "Everyone on this committee greatly, greatly respects the public's opinion", but please shut up or we will have you arrested!

Bought and PAID for. Government of, by and for the people. Yeah, right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 05/06/2009
- jwredd I'm a Fan of jwredd 50 fans permalink

God point. We have a functioning single payer system, too bad it's only available to our elected officials. You'd think that would at least add to the argument as to whether such a system is viable or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 05/06/2009
- brt929 I'm a Fan of brt929 54 fans permalink
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I just finished reading Nelson's so-called "plan." Is he sure he is a Democrat?

People should be very concerned- apparently he is playing footsies with BlueCross/­BlueShield­.

He intends to make it mandatory that all purchase health insurance, and BC/BS promises to take everyone that applies for coverage. (I'm not sure how that makes it more affordable­.)

The states will continue to regulate the insurance carriers. That in itself is the biggest mistake I can think of because too many states have failed to hold them accountable. Not only that, there are too many "different" contracts- it is not standardized like other insurance. That's why someone who thinks they have just purchased insurance that is full coverage, finds out differently when they make a claim.

This Senator should be impeached- I have never seen such pandering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 05/06/2009
- lysistrata I'm a Fan of lysistrata 18 fans permalink

Just think what a fodder for profit, mandatory insurance, no regulation no oversight like credit cards and the banking sector have with tight bankruptcy laws in favor of business. Talking about throwing the people to the wolves? That would even be better than what they have now, at least you can elect not to buy in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 05/06/2009
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