Timothy Geithner's Bailout Dollar Recycling May Be Illegal

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First Posted: 05- 7-09 08:15 AM   |   Updated: 06- 7-09 05:12 AM

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In his testimony before the Congressional Oversight Panel on April 21, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said that the government's bank bailout program has $134 billion left. Geithner said the figure was boosted by $25 billion that he expects to be paid back by bailed-out firms over the next year.

Rep. Brad Sherman says that's a no-no.

"If you look at the law, it's pretty clear any money returned from these banks goes into the general fund of the United States and not a revolving bank bailout fund," said the California Democrat in an interview with the Huffington Post.

Sherman points to language in the Emergency Economic Stability Act -- the bailout bill that created the Troubled Asset Relief Program -- that specifically states that revenues and proceeds from sales of troubled assets "shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury for reduction of the public debt."

In other words, the taxpayer is supposed to get his money back.

Sherman, who voted against the bailout, said he brought up the recycling issue with the Treasury Department a few weeks ago. "They said they'll get back to me," he said. The Department has not yet responded to requests for comment from the Huffington Post, either.

It's not clear that Sherman's got an airtight case. Geithner specifically said that the $25 billion would be coming from firms participating in the Capital Purchase Program, which injects capital directly into financial firms by investing in preferred equity securities. It doesn't buy and sell troubled assets.

On Tuesday, the Senate defeated a measure by John Thune (R-S.D.) that would have definitively banned Geithner's recycling. A Thune staffer says the current law doesn't.

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"Thune's amendment deals with return of principal, not revenue or proceeds," Thune spokesman Kyle Downey told the Huffington Post. "[The current law] is concerned with sale of troubled assets but it's silent on direct capital."

Sherman doesn't think it makes a difference from which part of the bailout the money's coming back. The CPP, after all, is part of the Troubled Asset Relief Program. He added that it was his understanding during negotiations with Geithner's predecessor, Henry Paulson, that recycling wouldn't happen.

"Paulson, in response to my questions, publicly stated he wasn't intending to recycle," Sherman said.

"My guess is that Geithner will get away with it," emailed Dean Baker, an economist with the Center for Economic and Policy Research, in response to a query from the Huffington Post. "That may not have been the intention of Congress, but no one is going to stop it."

Here's what the law says: "Revenues of, and proceeds from the sale of troubled assets purchased under this Act, or from the sale, exercise, or surrender of warrants or senior debt instruments acquired under section 113 shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury for reduction of the public debt."



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In his testimony before the Congressional Oversight Panel on April 21, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said that the government's bank bailout program has $134 billion left. Geithner said the figure w...
In his testimony before the Congressional Oversight Panel on April 21, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said that the government's bank bailout program has $134 billion left. Geithner said the figure w...
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- dsws I'm a Fan of dsws 14 fans permalink
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The money can be recycled.

The TARP law says in Section 115 (a), "The authority of the Secretary to purchase troubled assets under this Act shall be limited ... to $700,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time."

So if the Treasury sells some of the assets, it lowers the amount it's holding, and therefore it can buy more while still complying with the $700B limitation. There's nothing else about $700B in the law.

Here's an URL for the text of the law. Note that you need to cut and paste the full URL, not click the link. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ343.110 Or you can look it up on thomas.loc.gov for the 110th Congress as the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, or as HR 1424. The relevant version is the one passed as Public Law 110-343.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 05/23/2009
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No Credit Flows to Main Street after Bloomberg says over 7 months FED+Treasury have pumped

$12,800,000,000,000

in WE1FARE to Wall Street to get Main Street Credit Flowing.

Still ZERO FLOW - In fact it dropped more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 05/08/2009
- sposton I'm a Fan of sposton 206 fans permalink
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This all a part of the largest transfer of wealth from many to few. It is no different than Bush's tax cuts. We hear all kinds of rationalizations how tax cuts create jobs but all one has to do is figure out the total tax cut amount for the capitalist class under Bush and then divide that with the number of net number jobs in the private sector under Bush. How many new new private sector jobs were created under Bush?

This issue is never placed in these kinds of terms in the media and therefore kleptocracy uses the same rationale again and again. This way "capital formation" became the mantra for legal robbery. A very similar pattern is at work here. The underlying assumptions are just never questioned, dissected or analyzed.

We cannot solve these kinds of problems by fighting and eliminating each one as it appears. We must solve our problems by changing our system in such a way that these problems never arise. We must question everything. We will eventually understand that we have 17th century government dealing with the issues for which it is ill equipped to deal with - the model of capitalism that is rapidly threatening everything. Two things we never seem to question: capitalist system and our form of government! The end result is a problem which cannot be solved under given constraints.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 05/08/2009
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 22 fans permalink

Geithner will get away with it. As pointed out under a previous law, the banks should have been set into receivership by The U.S. Government, the bad business sold, and then returned to private markets. That did not happen.

We are no longer following laws. We live under public policy. Laws are a fiction to keep those without power believing that we do have "Rule of Law". And to punish.

The media will begin its campaign to inform you that this will amount to a jobless recovery. That you will have to accept lower paying jobs. And that you will be poorer after this. After all, that is what has been happening for over thirty years.

You work harder, longer, and better for what? Even my European friends admit they do not understand why Americans work so hard for so little. And these are truly poor people.

As to your post. The system is the problem. The fact that the very same problems have occurred decade after decade, makes these problems fundamental and systemic. To eliminate the problems, you must eliminate the system. Not tweak it. No apply fixes. But to invent something better. To invent something more equitable. To invent something every American as a chance to participate in.

That system is not what we have today. We are a winner-take-all, screw the people who neither have the means nor opportunity to advance. This is America. It shames me that our great nation as become so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 05/08/2009
- DrFitz I'm a Fan of DrFitz 5 fans permalink

"If you look at the law, it's pretty clear any money returned from these banks goes into the general fund of the United States and not a revolving bank bailout fund,"

FINALLY! I was pretty sure this came up before the vote passed and that it was clear this wasn't intended to be a permanent pool of money for Treasury to control. It was certainly sold to the public as a one-time injection of money and not some revolving credit line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 05/08/2009
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 22 fans permalink

As mentioned above, law is no longer being used to determine the results. Public policy is being used to determine what happens. Geithner is pursuing public policy and disposing of The Rule of Law. Laws are for poor people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 05/08/2009
- American50 I'm a Fan of American50 7 fans permalink
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Timothy Geithner allow this guy to do your taxes........NOT ME!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 05/08/2009
- roch20 I'm a Fan of roch20 32 fans permalink
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I don't trust this guy Geithner, i don't want him near me, and i feel that the President was kissing someone's behind here with his choice of Geithner!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 05/07/2009
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 22 fans permalink

Either President Obama is kissing his behind. Or, like Bush, he is part of it. The latter is the more likelier, if unpleasant, reality for all of the Obama worshippers. I equate the fawning the masses show over Obama to the mindless devotion shown Bush. You were conditioned to accept anything that was better than Bush.

Public will is not being done. The New Aristocracy is running the show. After all, they are better educated. They see themselves as the saviours of America and sorting the world into order. How dare the unwashed, uneducated, practically illiterate masses understand the complex world we live in. Especially when it involves finance and preserving wealth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 05/08/2009
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Rahm gonna get the money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 05/07/2009
- Truthahn I'm a Fan of Truthahn 18 fans permalink

"MAY be illegal"? Are you kidding? It's CLEARLY illegal. TARP was never intended as a standing slush fund for the Executive branch. Geithner would have the entire $700 billion be a permanent gift for the Treasury to play around with. It's inexcusable that a President who is a constitutional lawyer would approve such action. Obama must go on the record as being for or against this. He cannot be allowed to stand on the sidelines in feigned indifference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 05/07/2009
- pkafin I'm a Fan of pkafin 25 fans permalink
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How does this become a Constitutional issue?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 05/08/2009
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 22 fans permalink

The Federal Reserve is a Constitutional issue. The Federal Reserve has shown itself to be a completely separate entity operating independent of the government. Only Congress has the power to coin money.

A legal trick to get around Congresses authority is to define money as different from "legal tender", which The Federal Reserve issues. The Federal Reserve Note is not money, only "legal tender" in lieu of money.

To completely understand The Federal Reserve Note, try this. Write down on a piece of paper "Federal Reserve Note". Replace "Federal Reserve" with "Promissory". Debt is slavery. Debt is slavery.

Better learn how your money system really works. How is it so that the banks tell the government what to do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 05/08/2009
- American50 I'm a Fan of American50 7 fans permalink
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ask the new democrat "Lincoln"
You paid for his schooling

http://wwwamericanpatriot-vance.blogspot.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 05/09/2009

sounds like he may have used the same logic when doing his taxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 05/07/2009
- hotbytes I'm a Fan of hotbytes 45 fans permalink
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Tim Geithner >IS< on the same side with those bailed-out banks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 05/07/2009
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And so >is< Obama (sadly).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 05/07/2009
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What side? What are you talking about? I apologize for getting all worked up about this but come on! This is not a football game. You know, there was a guy that tried just exactly what almost everybody here is suggesting. Henry Paulson decided to let Lehman fail and telegraphed that he wasn't in the mood to mess around with insolvent banks. Did that work out well for holders of 401K plans or school districts whose bond money is invested in a growth money market? All I see people say is, 'hey, banks should fail like any other business.' OK. Then what? Anybody have any ideas about what happens next? What might happen after that? If you haven't yet realized that maybe you need to plan a couple of steps ahead, then maybe you're not really considering the whole problem. Rabble rabble! Rabble!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 05/07/2009
- roncar I'm a Fan of roncar 3 fans permalink

So what if it's illegal? A little legality has never bothered any of these cr ooks before, why should it now. It's ok though because it's the 0 doing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 05/07/2009
- Joseph A. Palermo - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Joseph A. Palermo 418 fans permalink

I think the banks have already stolen enough of our money, if they can't cut it now, let 'em merge with FIAT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 05/07/2009
- mattyd123 I'm a Fan of mattyd123 12 fans permalink

then where would the politicians get their campaign contributions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 05/07/2009
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What does §115(a)(3) mean than, where it reads in part, "such authority shall be limited to $700,000,000 outstanding at any time."? If 700bln can be 'outstanding' at any time then any amount given back by the banks could remain in the program as long as it's likely needed or the TARP program runs...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 05/07/2009
- oldcliche I'm a Fan of oldcliche 18 fans permalink

Did I miss a few zeros?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 05/07/2009
- StephenJK I'm a Fan of StephenJK 25 fans permalink
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I see you've never played Sudoku.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 05/08/2009
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Would one of you people who hate Tim kindly post your thoughts on how we get out of this without the infusion of capitol? We keep coming back to what I see as irrational thoughts. That government spending is Not Required. For some reason I keep thinking that this problem needs to be solved, one step at a time. You are either suggesting that the B of A does not need 40 billion dollars, or that the money will come from investors. We all know investors will not invest, so what happens? I am waiting for an answer to this question. What happens? You can reach me at yahoo.comk@yahoo.com.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 05/07/2009

"You are either suggesting that the B of A does not need 40 billion dollars, or that the money will come from investors."

Are those really the only options you can imagine? No wonder we are in trouble. If they aren't insolvent like they claim they can sell off assets and or business units. If they are insolvent they can go bankrupt like any other bankrupt company. Why are people who foolishly lent money to the badly managed banks never asked to take their losses. Their is no such thing as negative money, only one entity owing money to another entity. Why should taxpayers pay off wall street thieves debts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 05/07/2009
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Good lord. People don't have six-month-long memories. Lehman Brothers? Ring a bell? If you really love foreclosured and unemployment, then by all means let's have a Citi, BoA, Goldman fire sale! Now you'll say that I'm trying to scare you for some reason. I have no reason to want to scare you. I happen to agree with Mike. Before taking the crazy, short sighted risks these banks took, they had enough of a self preservation instinct to make sure they were large enough and interconnected enough that reasonable, compassionate people wouldn't do what you're suggesting. This is not a simple problem!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 05/07/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

Mike I don't hate Tim, I fear and mistrust him.
As far as I know he was employed in the regulation of Wall Street, and watched all this happen. Someone correct me if i'm wrong.
In whatever business you are in, If you had an accountant or auditor that watched your company be looted and bankrupt, Would you put him in charge of the investigation. Or the bankruptcy proceedings.
Whatever business you are in if you fail you go bankrupt, your debters take what is left, and then you go on a failure. Real life business101 . Right?
But it seems IF you are well connected politicaly , and have given massive bribes to Congress/Senate/Executive you are immune to failure.
Your employees at Congress and Executive simply take money from the serfs and hand it to you.
And now that YOU are better off money wise and the Serfs are worse off, YOU can loan them money at a higher rate.
YOU are too connected to fail!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 05/07/2009
- joeyc I'm a Fan of joeyc 6 fans permalink

Because Geithner was has previous work experience at the Fed as a regulator he is somehow responsible for the failures of the entire organization? Did you mistake Tim Geithner, the regulatory geek, for Clark Kent or something?

Timmy's not Superman, folks! And one person in a support-level position within a huge organization can't just put on a magic cape and suddenly make everything right for the entertainment of the viewing audience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 05/07/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

joeyc
I'm not sayiing it's all little Timmys fault it happened.
I'm saying he didn't see it comming.
He seemed to be blindsided allmost as bad as Greenspan who was shocked and surprized that he had been wrong to trust the Big lenders to treat their customers fairly.
Well I must say, I'm pretty dumbfounded at that myself! LOL
but if you mean he was just some insignificant geek OK . But what the heck is he doing overseeing the biggest Bailout in history.
Spend an hour watching Janet Tavakoli on U-Tube. Would you rather her or Timmy give you advice , LAWFULL advice that is, or keep your books?
I'd rather her keep my Washington books too.
When all the smoke is cleared and the dust has setteled, little Timmy will go to work for one on the Banksters he is saving .
But of course there was no choice.Little Timmy is who the Banksters told them to pick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 05/07/2009
- elmoor I'm a Fan of elmoor 12 fans permalink
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You just don't get it. This was not some isolated 'banking' incident. It's a system failure, loaded with corruption, yes- but it's the system that is needing to be unr aveled from the results of a free-for-all. If you just pull the system all apart at once, total economic collapse would occur.

Tim is unraveling, and it takes time and it takes patience, but you do NOT want this bandaid pulled off all at once. You'd bleed to death.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 05/07/2009
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What a great number of people don't understand is that we are not bailing out the banks, we are bailing out the investors.

Once the bank investors understand that the U.S. will allow the banks to go bankrupt, and that they will not recieve their money bank, then you will have a real run on the banks with investors doing everything they can to get their money out before they get 5 cents on the dollar from the Courts.

But there's the rub, once the investors understand that their investment is worth nothing because the U.S. is just printing money to keep the ball rolling (and the banks up), then they'll put there money somewhere else -- that of course, is happening now.

The investors we are talking about are foreign governments like China.

The only solution is to keep working. For all us who have lost money, @##$$! When the dust settles we will all know that the crash was planned and started on September 11, 2008 with a bank run of over 500 billion. Don't assume we can gun our way out of this. Plan for the worse. Keep your spirits up. Good times ahead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 05/07/2009

Mike - Heres my suggestion
(1) Revise mark to market rules (create immediate liquidity)
(2) For BofA: No new cash - just convert the govt preffered to common stock

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 05/07/2009
- GLT21 I'm a Fan of GLT21 3 fans permalink
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Id rather recycle the money than ask for more, Chump.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 05/07/2009
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