Karzai Says US Airstrikes "Not Acceptable"

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FISNIK ABRASHI | 05/ 8/09 09:24 PM | AP

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KABUL — Video of the aftermath of a disputed incident involving American forces and the Taliban shows bloodied bodies of children laid out with other corpses, confirming international Red Cross findings at the two remote villages in western Afghanistan. The U.S. military does not contest that civilians died but called "extremely over-exaggerated" a report by an Afghan official that as many as 147 were killed.

Afghans blame aerial bombing Monday and Tuesday for the deaths and destruction. President Hamid Karzai said the airstrikes were "not acceptable" and said the government estimated the number of civilian deaths to be 125 to 130, according to an interview with CNN on Friday.

"We cannot justify in any manner, for whatever number of Taliban, for whatever number of significantly important terrorists, the accidental or otherwise loss of civilians," he was quoted as saying.

U.S. officials have suggested that Taliban fighters caused at least some of the deaths, and said investigators on a joint U.S.-Afghan team were still analyzing data collected in the villages of Ganjabad and Gerani in Farah province.

In a video obtained Friday by Associated Press Television News, villagers are seen wrapping the mangled bodies of some of the victims in blankets and cloths and lining them up on the dusty ground.

In one shot, two children are lifted from a blanket with another adult already in it. The children's faces are blackened, and parts of their tunics are soaked in what appears to be dried blood.

Their limp bodies are then put on the ground, wrapped in another cloth and placed next to the other bodies. It was not clear how many bodies were in the room where the video was shot.

The man who shot the video said many of the bodies he filmed Tuesday in Gerani were in pieces. He spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear of retribution from security agencies.

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It was not possible to independently verify the authenticity of the video. The International Committee of the Red Cross also has said that women and children were among dozens of dead people its teams saw in the two villages.

On Thursday, a local official said he collected from residents the names of 147 people killed in the fighting. If true, it would be the deadliest case of civilian casualties in Afghanistan since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion that ousted the Taliban regime.

Villagers "were pointing to graves and saying, 'This is my son, this is my daughter,'" said Abdul Basir Khan, a member of Farah's provincial council. He said he gave his tally to the investigators.

The U.S. military described that toll as over the top.

"The investigators and the folks on the ground think that those numbers are extremely over-exaggerated," U.S. military spokeswoman Capt. Elizabeth Mathias said. "We are definitely nowhere near those estimates."

Karzai has long pleaded with the U.S. to minimize civilian deaths during its operations. Past incidents have drawn immediate outcries from the government, which contends that such killings undermine support for the fight against the Taliban

"The airstrikes are not acceptable," he told CNN. "This is something that we've raised in the Afghan government very clearly, that terrorism is not in the Afghan villages, not in Afghan homes. And you cannot defeat terrorists by airstrikes."

The incident comes as the Obama administration is gearing up to roll out a new strategy for the region, which involves linking success in Afghanistan with security in neighboring Pakistan, where Taliban militants are active along the border. The U.S. has also pledged long-term nonmilitary efforts here _ for example, civilian expertise in farming and other specialties _ along with an increase of 21,000 U.S. troops.

"If there's one lesson I draw from the past, it is the importance of our staying engaged," Defense Secretary Robert Gates told reporters Friday at Forward Operating Base Airborne in northern Afghanistan, shortly before heading back to Washington.

"And if there's a lesson for Americans and the international community, it's that we don't dare turn our backs on Afghanistan. This will work if we stay engaged."

On Friday, a U.S. Air Force Predator drone went down in southern Afghanistan's central Ghazni province, Mathias said. She ruled out insurgent activity in the area of the crash in Qarabagh district.

However, Zabiullah Mujaheed, a Taliban spokesman, said the militants had shot the drone down. It was impossible to verify his claim.

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Associated Press correspondent Lara Jakes in Wardak province contributed to this report.

KABUL — Video of the aftermath of a disputed incident involving American forces and the Taliban shows bloodied bodies of children laid out with other corpses, confirming international Red Cross ...
KABUL — Video of the aftermath of a disputed incident involving American forces and the Taliban shows bloodied bodies of children laid out with other corpses, confirming international Red Cross ...
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I would be cautious about engaging or getting caught up in battles (if this is possible), I think this is more dangerous for civilians. Rather target the silent targets where known activities of a hostile nature are in effect. Surgical strikes, unless for a very good reason there is no other alternative. I would not send troops, without a really good plan either. It may take more patience but I think it could get more support on both sides and could possibly prove even more effective in the long run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 05/12/2009
- bbrecht I'm a Fan of bbrecht 20 fans permalink
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War is not the answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 05/11/2009
- digeridoo I'm a Fan of digeridoo 2 fans permalink

Karzai better pony up and get in line with the program. Obama is comin' to straighten out the shizzle in AFPAK, unlike Bush. He'll use whatever force necessary, and Karzai better like it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 05/11/2009
- evilzed I'm a Fan of evilzed 13 fans permalink

Karzai worked for Bush and The ISI, the CIA of Pakistan
Hamid Karzai, the interim Prime Minister of Afghanistan, was a top adviser to the El Segundo, California-based UNOCAL Corporation which was negotiating with the Taliban to construct a Central Asia Gas (CentGas) pipeline from Turkmenistan through western Afghanistan to Pakistan.
Karzai, the leader of the southern Afghan Pashtun Durrani tribe, was a member of the mujaheddin that fought the Soviets during the 1980s. He was a top contact for the CIA and maintained close relations with CIA Director William Casey, Vice President George Bush, and their Pakistani Inter Service Intelligence (ISI) Service interlocutors. Later, Karzai and a number of his brothers moved to the United States under the auspices of the CIA. Karzai continued to serve the agency's interests, as well as those of the Bush Family and their oil friends in negotiating the CentGas deal.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD201A.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 05/11/2009
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A new cape and he'll be fine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 05/11/2009
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I think we should just pack up and leave. Let them figure it out for themelves

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 05/10/2009
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Just like you have done in the last 40 years.
you must learn a litlle bit of history before talking.

Go see the wars that USA have promoted and the people that USA give suport. Osama Bin Laden was one of many.

You don´t know nothing about others countrys. They deserved more respect and suport.

USA with Obama will act like a responsable adult for the first time since J.F. Kennedy.

Obama the world suport you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 05/11/2009
- Lee Andrew I'm a Fan of Lee Andrew 348 fans permalink
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The "Mayor" of Kabul wants what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 05/10/2009
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He is just playing good cop.

As long as his family continues to prosper from the drug trade & our tax dollars he will say & do

whatever it takes to stay in power.

With another record poppy crop he is enjoying the ride & betraying his people the way BUSH did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 05/10/2009
- JnrNorman I'm a Fan of JnrNorman 6 fans permalink

When in an illegal war leave ASAP and send
a check for the damages each month!


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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 05/10/2009

Vietstan. That is its new name. Unless we are willing to be indiscriminate in our tactics, eliminate any and all people who are, or somewhat support the Taliban, we will lose. Either start the Blitz or pull our troops out. I am tired of this crap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 05/10/2009
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You do realize the irony of your solution versus how you started the post, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 05/10/2009

Chaos could you mail me please, my screen name at g mail

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 05/10/2009
- Lahonda I'm a Fan of Lahonda 24 fans permalink
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...an insightful point of view. What about the nukes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 05/10/2009
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years later the mute learns to speak, is that it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 05/10/2009
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OK. Let's bring our troops home and let karzai deal with the Taliban on his own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 05/10/2009
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 71 fans permalink

This Great Nation needs to take care of it's own business and get the crap out of Iraq and Afghanistan and let them take care of of themselves as they have done for thousands of years !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 05/10/2009
- Paulo1 I'm a Fan of Paulo1 48 fans permalink

Dear Hamid,

Excuse me but I am an American Taxpayer and if I am not mistaken the only reason you sit in your isolated little palace in Kabul is because you are propped up by American guns and my tax dollars. If it was not for us you would still be a refugee and your country would still be ruled by a bunch of neo-barbarians with delusions of religious values.

Therefore you should cut the act and admit that as a puppet you have no say at all in who we bomb, why we bomb them or when we bomb them. This happens to be a war. One that is not pretty and civilians are going to get killed. Frankly I want our troops out yesterday and could care less about anything other than dropping a bomb on Osama's head on the way out. Then you can go back to killing each other and claiming you practice Islam.

Paulo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 05/10/2009
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Regardless of your opinion on Hamad Karzai, he does know a thing or two about errant US bombing. On the same day as he was selected premier, he was injured by an American bomb that killed three American troops and injured 19 others. He was only slightly injured. A senior officer at the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington, one Rear Admiral Stufflebeem, said "I don't know what the intended target was. It was being called on enemy troops." Later he added, no doubt feeling that his explanation had not covered everything, "a 2,000 pound weapon is a devastating weapon."
If memory serves me correctly, a subsequent investigation of the bombing revealed US troops mistakenly entered the GPS coordinates of their own position into the strike data. A B-52 delivered the one-ton bomb on the coordinates provided.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 05/09/2009
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