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Glass-Steagall Act: The Senators And Economists Who Got It Right

First Posted: 06/11/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:20 PM ET

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The footage of him speaking on the Senate floor has become something of a cult flick for the particularly wonky progressive. The date was November 4, 1999. Senator Byron Dorgan, in a patterned red tie, sharp dark suit and hair with slightly more color than it has today, was captured only by the cameras of CSPAN2.

"I want to sound a warning call today about this legislation," he declared, swaying ever so slightly right, then left, occasionally punching the air in front of him with a slightly closed fist. "I think this legislation is just fundamentally terrible."

The legislation was the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act (alternatively known as Gramm Leach Bliley), which allowed banks to merge with insurance companies and investment houses. And Dorgan was, at the time, on a proverbial island with his concerns. Only eight senators would vote against the measure -- lionized by its proponents, including senior staff in the Clinton administration and many now staffing President Obama, as the most important breakthrough in the worlds of finance and politics in decades.

"It was more like a tidal wave in 1999," the North Dakota Democrat recalled of that vote in an interview with the Huffington Post. "You've seen the roll call. We didn't really have to deal with push back because they had such a strong, strong body of support for what they call modernization that the vote was never in doubt... The title of the bill was 'The Financial Modernization Act.' And so if you don't want to modernize, I guess you're considered hopelessly old fashioned."

Ten years later, Dorgan has been vindicated. His warning that banks would become "too big to fail" has proven basically true in the wake of the current financial crisis. He seems eerily prescient for claiming then that Congress would "look back ten years time and say we should not have done this." But he wasn't entirely alone. Sens. Barbara Boxer, Barbara Mikulski, Richard Shelby, Tom Harkin and Richard Bryan also cast nay votes.

As did Sen. Russ Feingold, who, in a statement from his office, recalled that "Gramm-Leach-Bliley was just one of several bad policies that helped lead to the credit market crisis and the severe recession it helped cause."

The late Sen. Paul Wellstone also opposed the bill, warning at the time that Congress was "about to repeal the economic stabilizer without putting any comparable safeguard in its place."

Outside government, doomsday-ing over the repeal of Glass-Steagall seemed far more palatable a position to take. Edward Kane, a finance professor at Boston College, warned that "nobody will be able to discipline a Citigroup" once the legislation passed, because the banks would be too big and the issues too complex.

"It made it possible for the very big firms to take risks in away that would require a great deal of investment risk and time for regulatory agencies," Kane recalled ten years later. "You had people who could basically outplay the regulators."

Jeffrey Garten, who at the time had left his post as Undersecretary of Commerce for International Trade at the Clinton White House, wrote in the New York Times that if these new "megabanks" were to falter, "they could take down the entire global financial system with them."

"Sooner or later, perhaps starting with the next serious economic downturn," he wrote, "the US will have to confront one of the great challenges of our times: how does a sovereign nation govern itself effectively when politics are national and business is global?"

Consumer protection advocate Ralph Nader, meanwhile, was far more succinct in his skepticism. "We will look back at this and wonder how the country was so asleep," he said at the time. "It's just a nightmare."

When the Senate voted to pass Gramm-Leach-Bliley by a vote of 90-8, it reversed what was, for more than six decades, a framework that had governed the functions and reach of the nation's largest banks. No longer limited by laws and regulations commercial and investment banks could now merge. Many had already begun the process, including, among others, J.P. Morgan and Citicorp. The new law allowed it to be permanent. The updated ground rules were low on oversight and heavy on risky ventures. Historically in the business of mortgages and credit cards, banks now would sell insurance and stock.

Nevertheless, the bill did not lack champions, many of whom declared that the original legislation -- forged during the Great Depression -- was both antiquated and cumbersome for the banking industry. Congress had tried 11 times to repeal Glass-Steagall. The twelfth was the charm.

"Today Congress voted to update the rules that have governed financial services since the Great Depression and replace them with a system for the 21st century," said then-Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers. "This historic legislation will better enable American companies to compete in the new economy."

"I welcome this day as a day of success and triumph," said Sen. Christopher Dodd, (D-Conn.).

"The concerns that we will have a meltdown like 1929 are dramatically overblown," said Sen. Bob Kerrey, (D-Neb.).

"If we don't pass this bill, we could find London or Frankfurt or years down the road Shanghai becoming the financial capital of the world," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. "There are many reasons for this bill, but first and foremost is to ensure that U.S. financial firms remain competitive."

Looking back, members of Congress have tried to downplay the significance of their support. One high-ranking Hill aide notes that his boss, who voted for the bill, did so because banks were already beginning to merge with investment houses. It should be noted, additionally, that Dodd and Schumer were able to hammer out, as part of the legislation, the Community Reinvestment Act, which required banks to extend lines of credit to predominantly minority areas.

Officials from the Clinton White House, meanwhile, shift between defensiveness and repentance. One former high-ranking official argued that while the legislation changed the balance between a bank's commercial and non-commercial activities, the problem was not necessarily the blurring of those lines. "What really brought the economy to its knees was the incredibly over-leveraged and unregulated risks taken by these non commercial banks." In short: there wasn't enough oversight.

"The White House task force meetings covered a whole series of these issues," said the official. "A lot of people raised serious questions about how far we were going. And it wasn't just here. There were a whole series of issues around the same time in which the Treasury was always promoting the interest of big finance. It was true under [Bob] Rubin and at least as true under Larry [Summers]."

Not everyone looks back at that vote with regret. The repeal of the law, they argue, was responsible for the sharp growth that the market experienced in the subsequent years. Moreover, the argument goes, if not for the over-leveraging of credit in the housing market the gut shot that many major banks endured could have been avoided.

That said, the concept of regulation has, over the past decade, taken on a drastic shift in public perception, from being viewed as a hindrance to economic growth to a guardrail from future disaster. And spearheading that effort at revamping the regulatory system is the same senator who foresaw the problem in the first place.

"I'm from a little small town of 300 people in North Dakota," Dorgan told the Huffington Post. "Where I grew up, we have seen a history... of some of the larger banks and difficulties farmers have had in dealing with some of the larger banks over the last century or so. And so, my own view about these issues is that there needs to be, to the extent that you can, create a free market that works with price competition and product differentiation and so on, but there needs to be a referee with a whistle and a striped shirt, I mean the free market sometimes needs referees."


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The footage of him speaking on the Senate floor has become something of a cult flick for the particularly wonky progressive. The date was November 4, 1999. Senator Byron Dorgan, in a patterned red tie...
The footage of him speaking on the Senate floor has become something of a cult flick for the particularly wonky progressive. The date was November 4, 1999. Senator Byron Dorgan, in a patterned red tie...
 
 
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03:37 PM on 05/15/2009
I'm not saying that Gramm-Leach-Bliley was a good idea, but Glass-Steagal had to go- our largest commercial banks were being dangerously squeezed by "financial disintermediaton" where their main credit products were being offered by competing industries which were not subject to the cost of regulatory compliance.

The mistake was freeing the commercial banks and new merged industries from effective regulation, rather then protecting the banks from such competition.

Another "victory" for "free market competition."

BTW, I worked reg comp in th banking industry through the early 90's.
04:41 PM on 05/25/2009
wrong. Glass-Steagal MUST come back.

"where their main credit products were being offered by competing industries which were not subject to the cost of regulatory compliance."

You answered you own question:

The competing industries, hedge funds, should have been regulated.
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War is a Racket - Smedley Butler
09:01 PM on 05/12/2009
Hedge Funds have no regulations and they are running the world and still Congress has not stopped them - Stop Them - Arrest them
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07:57 PM on 05/12/2009
"free market sometimes needs referees"
Yes, but how about looking at what free market means, noticing its disadvantages and limitations, and that's where government could have a role: to prevent people from doing harm - to others and to the market.

The invisible hand of the free market is based on the premise that individuals acting in their own self-interest creates a self-regulating market. It would be nice if free-market adherents would reassess this premise. It's not just enlightened self-interest at work, it's human nature. This includes unenlightened self-interest, greed, unwarranted risk, stupidity.

Individuals act within, and are knowledgeable about, their own sphere of activity. They don't care how their actions impact other parts of the system. Bundling mortgages passed risk along to the next guy. That's a flaw in the system that requires an oversight body.

Free market is about money and is measured in money. Free market doesn't accommodate values other than money.
End of spiel.
07:28 PM on 05/12/2009
How many of who voted for what, when completely aside, the problem remains---

Obama has stacked his admin with the same guys who gave us this mess. Now, this---

"On Tuesday, the Senate Finance Committee takes up the nomination of Neal Wolin... During the Clinton administration, Wolin worked under Larry Summers...where he helped write the deregulation bill -- Gramm-Leach-Bliley -- that undid Depression-era reforms and is partly blamed for the financial meltdown. He'll join Mark Patterson, Geithner's chief of staff, a former top lobbyist with Goldman Sachs."

So the guy who wrote the laws that ruined our country goes to work for Giethner? And Giethner's chief of staff just happens to be from Goldman?

This is worse than fox guarding henhouse--this is forcing hens into foreclosure, giving house to foxes, putting hens on street to pay off foxes with their tax dollars!
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05:18 PM on 05/12/2009
It's CFMA that caused the meltdown, not the repeal of Glass-Steagall. CFMA allowed for unregulated derivative trading -- first Enron, and then credit default swaps. Crooks took advantage, and insured assets they could not cover, over-leveraging any capital they had.

The Republican leadership of the House incorporated CFMA into the 2000 Omnibus bill, which passed with bipartisian support.

Our legislators need to take classes on Finance, obviously. And there must be debate on anything this major, which CFMA did not receive in either the House or Senate.

Shoddy legislation passed by uninformed legislators. A travesty.
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03:59 PM on 05/12/2009
Dorgan - owned by banks
03:18 PM on 05/12/2009
Greed, the end state.
Greed is pumping in the veins of America. It is running through the citizens, it lives in corporate America, greed is entrenched in Washington DC, on both sides of the isle. Greed is as American as hot dogs, apple pies, and baseball. Greed is advertised on TV, radio and taught at schools. Greed is destroying America. Americans you’re greedy. Eaches vs the masses. You buy houses you can’t afford on loans you don’t understand. The pizza sign on top or you luxury SUV hollers, “I’m living above my means”. When that SUV is hit you’re calling the local attorney you saw on TV to get the money your entitled. “I’m getting mine”. YOU my friend are entitled. EACHES. If two out of one hundred speak out against something or how it offends them, then that is how it is. EACHES. The majority does not rule, it is the vocal minority. Forget teaching your kid value and respect, sincerity and honesty, they will learn it on the TV or the radio. But they better dam sure not learn it in school. EACHES.

The slow, evolutionary change in our educational system has succeeded. To the individual, the left wing liberal- congratulations you win. Do you like what you see? To America- Americans better luck next time.

This is just an observation from an American who is sick and tired of the rhetorical crap we are being subjected to. Stop. Stop and listen to Americans, not eaches.
03:00 PM on 05/12/2009
"...lionized by its proponents, including senior staff in the Clinton administration and many now staffing President Obama, as the most important breakthrough in the worlds of finance and politics in decades."

Passed by a vote of 90 to 8! And passed by similar margins was The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 or CFMA (H.R. 5660 and S. 3283), which removed regulation from futures trading and Derivatives!

These both crossed party lines--so let's move on from how this is all to blamed on Bush?

He is a war criminal and should be tried as such!

But when it comes to this, both sides have sold out, and there's no one in DC watching out for out interests. Obama has stacked his admin with the same guys who gave us this mess. Now, this---

"On Tuesday, the Senate Finance Committee takes up the nomination of Neal Wolin to be Timothy Geithner's number two at the Treasury Department. During the Clinton administration, Wolin worked under Larry Summers as the Treasury Department's top lawyer, where he helped write the deregulation bill -- Gramm-Leach-Bliley -- that undid Depression-era reforms and is partly blamed for the financial meltdown. He'll join Mark Patterson, Geithner's chief of staff, a former top lobbyist with Goldman Sachs."

So the guy who wrote the laws that ruined our country goes to work for Giethner? And Giethner's chief of staff just happens to be from Goldman?

Anyone here still think that Obama has a clue?
03:20 PM on 05/12/2009
AS pointed out below, the 90 to 8 number is wrong--

The House passed its version of the Financial Services Act of 1999 on July 1st by a bipartisan vote of 343-86 (Republicans 205–16; Democrats 138–69; Independent/Socialist 0–1),[3] [4] [5] two months after the Senate had already passed its version of the bill on May 6th by a much-narrower 54–44 vote along basically-partisan lines (53 Republicans and one Democrat in favor; 44 Democrats opposed)

Guess we need to fact check even the bloggers here.

However, on the Commodities Act the vote was--

"Oct 19, 2000: This bill passed in the House of Representatives by roll call vote. The vote was held under a suspension of the rules to cut debate short and pass the bill, needing a two-thirds majority. This usually occurs for non-controversial legislation. The totals were 377 Ayes, 4 Nays, 51 Present/Not Voting."

An overwhelming majority of both parties voted to repeal oversight of futures trades, especially those related to the derivatives that underlie our current economic crisis.

That's bipartisanship.
03:28 PM on 05/12/2009
And with a little more research find that the 90-8 number comes from the wikipedia article re the bill. Wiki editors--wake up.
04:25 PM on 05/12/2009
The Commodities bill was never voted on in the Senate. It was simply slipped into a giant omnibus budget bill. So I feel like we don't have a vote on that one to see what position Senators had on it.
01:30 PM on 05/12/2009
You have the wrong roll call, Sam. What you cite is the conference vote. The real vote was in May 1999:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00105

54 - 44, nearly a party line vote. Democrats against, Republicans for.

More here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/16/203823/008/1013/601053

Explanation of the conference report vote by above diarist (this was the 90 - 8 vote):

"The Conference Report is nothing but an editing session. During the session, a a team picked from both the House and Senate meet in order to reconcile differences between the versions of the bills already passed in both chambers. This is the reason it took from May until November to get the bill passed. This is the reason GLBA passed that 4 November vote with such an overwhelming majority - it had already been approved in both houses, and the only formality left was for language to be amended by the conferees.

The 4 November vote was not a vote on the merits of the bill. It was a vote on the language of the bill.

Blocking the conference report does not kill a vote. Even if the report was voted against by every last Democrat, it was going to get pushed through anyway."
01:54 PM on 05/12/2009
What a coincidence that you posted this just after I posted mine below
02:11 PM on 05/12/2009
I know! I just remembered this from a few months ago. It was the WSJ that got this myth going that almost every Democrat voted for this bill. I hope there is a correction here.
01:24 PM on 05/12/2009
You got it wrong! No democratic senators voted for this legislation. Check out the official vote at:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00105

or go to the us senate web page and look for the vote on S.900 as amended

It was party-line all the way, 54 republican yeas to 44 democratic nays

Congress was a different story, with a vote of 343 in favor to 86 against (see http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1999/roll276.xml). But 69 of the 86 nays were dems.
01:50 PM on 05/12/2009
Oops, one Democratic Senator voted for it: Hollings of South Carolina
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01:20 PM on 05/12/2009
Byron Dorgan should get Geithner's job
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12:35 PM on 05/12/2009
Excellent blog! The negative impact on a proven banking system was significant; however, its passage was probably inevitable given the passage a couple of decades earlier of the Garn-St. Germain Act of 1981as a keystone of Reagan's "Morning in America" which totally emasculated the traditional, and highly successful, role of traditional banks which had led the US out of the depression, financed the growth and development of the western world in the post war economy, and elevated US banking to the standard of the world. The industry was distinguished from the European model in that it prohibited banks from competing with support business like insurance companies, speculative securities underwriting and participation. By virtually eliminating the traditional main street base and expanding--nay encouraging-- bank holding companies to become ever larger and global. In order to "compete" with European banks, the Act allowed them to compete with non-banking services.

It further brought industrial finance companies and non bank banks under the rubric of the FDIC--an unintended consequence of which was the authorization of "Morris Plan" banks to issue and which became the ubitiquous issuer of credit cards, likely to be our next financial crisis nearly as large as the subprime mortgage fiasco.

The elimination of Glass-Siegel was merely the last straw in elimination of effective regulation of this unbridled in favor of the sacrosanct "Market".
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Reality is 100% biased!
12:29 PM on 05/12/2009
I got it right. I saw it coming. Can I be on the list?
11:50 AM on 05/12/2009
Feingold on the right side of the issue. Again.
11:34 AM on 05/12/2009
It would be great if this article showed any evidence that this act had anything to do with the crisis.

Countrywide, Bear, Lehman, Merrill, WAMU - All of these banks failed, (or would have if not been bought) and yet none of them were affecting by this act. It seems like this act HELPED more rather than hurt in the current crisis. Banks that were in different fields did better than banks that were just investment banks, like merrill, bear and lehman.

If the act was NOT passed, then Merrill could not have been saved by BofA, Bear by JPM, or WAMU by JPM.

The evidence, unfortunately, is against this argument. Also, Europe + Canada never had this law on the books, and things turned out differently in both of those countries.

This is all a side show from the real issues.
11:47 AM on 05/12/2009
Ah the repeal of Glass-Steagell did have things to do with the crisis.

Also Europe and other countries have similar provisions to what is in Glass-Steagall which is two laws by the way with many provisions.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/04/06/whos-more-to-blame-wall-street-or-the-repealers-of.aspx
03:58 PM on 05/12/2009
Again, I presented you with evidence of lehman, bear, merrill who were NOT affected by this act and failed.

Because of this act, Merrill and Bear were able to be saved because another large bank could buy them out. Lehman was not so lucky.

Please show me how this act was negative? It did not affect WAMU either.

The evidence does not support the conclusion, however you are free to prove me wrong.
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12:31 PM on 05/12/2009
Amen - excellent recap. Libs use this act as a red herring. YAWN.
02:12 PM on 05/12/2009
Take your fingers outta your ears and acknowledge that there were lots of contributing factors - this was one of them.

Oh, and Lemmy is a lousy bass player.
02:26 PM on 05/12/2009
You're repeating a talking point that ignores huge differences between the American financial system and the European/Chinese/Canadian models....

Of course Lemmy is smart enough to understand that anything that "libs" are saying must necessarily be a red herring... LOL...

Try doing homework next time, boys...

http://luxamericana.com/2009/03/24/wanted-for-economicide/