White House Preparing To Release "Holy Grail" Torture Report

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Greg Sargent's done an exceptional job plumbing this Washington Post piece from R. Jeffrey Smith, entitled "Hill Panel Reviewing CIA Tactics." Look at what shows up about seven paragraphs in:

Government officials familiar with the CIA's early interrogations say the most powerful evidence of apparent excesses is contained in the "top secret" May 7, 2004, inspector general report, based on more than 100 interviews, a review of the videotapes and 38,000 pages of documents. The full report remains closely held, although White House officials have told political allies that they intend to declassify it for public release when the debate quiets over last month's release of the Justice Department's interrogation memos.


According to excerpts included in those memos, the inspector general's report concluded that interrogators initially used harsh techniques against some detainees who were not withholding information. Officials familiar with its contents said it also concluded that some of the techniques appeared to violate the U.N. Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, ratified by the United States in 1994.

Although some useful information was produced, the report concluded that "it is difficult to determine conclusively whether interrogations have provided information critical to interdicting specific imminent attacks," according to the Justice Department's declassified summary of it. The threat of such an imminent attack was cited by the department as an element in its 2002 and later written authorization for using harsh techniques.

Says Sargent:

Specifically: The White House has decided to declassify and release a classified 2004 CIA report about the torture program that is reported to have found no proof that torture foiled any terror plots on American soil -- directly contradicting Cheney's claims. The paper cites "allies" of the White House as a source.


Dem Congressional staffers tell me this report is the "holy grail," because it is expected to detail torture in unprecedented detail and to cast doubt on the claim that torture works -- and its release will almost certainly trigger howls of protest from conservatives. Tellingly, neither the CIA nor the White House knocked down the story in response to my questions, with spokespeople for both declining comment.

For more background on this IG report, which Representative John Conyers argued for the disclosure of on these pages, let's go to the Washington Independent's Spencer Ackerman:

Several footnotes in the Office of Legal Counsel memos written by Steven Bradbury in 2005 and released last week indicate what the inspector general report found. As first reported by Marcy Wheeler at Firedoglake, Helgerson's review determined that in practice, the CIA's interrogators often went beyond what the Justice Department had authorized for enhanced interrogations in 2002. Medical personnel were not present at all of the enhanced interrogations, though 2002-era memoranda had anticipated they would be. The maximum-allotted number of hours for sleep deprivation was, by 2004, "260 hours or 11 days," though 2002-era memoranda had anticipated it would be much shorter than that. CIA interrogators conducted waterboarding that was more painful and severe than the training program for U.S. Special Forces that formed the basis both for the interrogation program and the 2002-era memoranda's legal justification for it. As a result of these inspector general-discovered discrepancies, Bradbury apparently had to re-certify that CIA interrogation practices were legal, according to the 2005-era memoranda.


Helgerson's review made him no friends within the CIA. Former CIA Director Mike Hayden sparred with Helgerson in 2007 over whether Helgerson's investigation of interrogation practices went beyond the inspector general's mandate and intruded onto the portfolio of the CIA's legal counsel. On Feb. 18, Helgerson announced his retirement from the CIA. A CIA official who declined to be quoted said that Helgerson was in the process of leaving the agency, and would be finished with his final paperwork by June. He's no longer serving as inspector general in the interim.

It will be interesting to see how vocal Dick Cheney is about further disclosure, now that this balloon is afloat.

RELATED:
White House To Declassify "Holy Grail" Torture Report That Could Undercut Cheney [The Plum Line]
So Much Torture Disclosure to Be Had [The Washington Independent]

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Greg Sargent's done an exceptional job plumbing this Washington Post piece from R. Jeffrey Smith, entitled "Hill Panel Reviewing CIA Tactics." Look at what shows up about seven paragraphs in: Govern...
Greg Sargent's done an exceptional job plumbing this Washington Post piece from R. Jeffrey Smith, entitled "Hill Panel Reviewing CIA Tactics." Look at what shows up about seven paragraphs in: Govern...
 
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- OgreDaddy I'm a Fan of OgreDaddy 31 fans permalink
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I have wondered why Cheney would even dare to subject himself to the public spotlight at this moment.

No doubt he is a very clever man when it comes to protecting himself, avoiding any paper trail or records that might surface to hound him.

So why is he suddenly out there on this media blitz?

I would guess that in a last ditch effort to derail justice, he is attempting to insure
that no court in this land will be able to gather an impartial jury.

He has counted on everything he has done to be tied up in the courts all the way to the
Supreme Court, where he still hopes he can count on the right wingers to protect him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 05/17/2009

The Republicans are breaking their necks trying to deflect from the hiddeous nature of Toture
that was plotted by former VP Dick Cheyney who made it his mission to see that it was carried out.

Trying to Deflect the attention away from Cheyney has met with opposition because the Amaerican
People are pass all of the Republican stone walling.

It is Shamefull what Mr. Cheyney is doing and he is digging a crater size whole for he and his whole
crew to fall in.

We don't want Mr. Cheyney nor his wife and daughter to stop talking, the more they say the better
case there is to litigate.

Toture Is illegal and no amount of interpretation can sanitize the horrific nature of departing from the law and putting our troops in jeopardy because of arrogance and a god complex.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 05/13/2009

PLEASE, PLEASE, do it immediately , expose all the lies and fabrication s, and then prosecute, making it ublic is not enough, not prosecuting is not an option either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 05/13/2009
- ggm68 I'm a Fan of ggm68 7 fans permalink
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I long for the day when the public conversation notices that the treaty is called the U.N. Convention Against Torture AND Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (note all those words after the word "and.")

We're talking as if ONLY torture is illegal (not to mention shockingly abhorrent), and quibbling over whether waterboarding is or isn't. Americans, at the direction of high-level Bush officials, have engaged in many horrific, sadistic acts against detainees, only one of which is waterboarding. It t does not matter whether it "rises to the level of torture," because "torture" is not the only thing that's illegal, immoral, and antithetical to everything we claim to stand for.

After watching "Taxi to the Dark Side" I am beginning to suspect that what we know about abuses at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib pales in comparison to what we don't yet know about what was done to detainees at Bagram. What we DO know is horrifying enough. Those of us with a conscience must not turn a blind eye to what was done in our name.

Why are we setting the bar for illegality so dang high? Cruelty, humiliation, and inhumane treatment are ALL illegal. We're acting as if the issue is all about waterboarding, and it just isn't. We inflicted horrific cruelty on many, many detainees, only some of whom were guilty of any wrongdoing, and until we come to grips with that, America will continue to be lost in the moral wilderness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 05/12/2009
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You ended, "It will be interesting to see how vocal Dick Cheney is about further disclosure, now that this balloon is afloat."

No, it won't. It will be the same old Cheney two-step, aka the side-step, in which he will ignore the substance of this report while yammering on with the same old claims and factoids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 05/12/2009
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DeepFreeze, Im sure the answer is C, with a lil bit of D: Where he continuely tries to prove that his actions were ligit and where as None of the hundreads of thousands of lives saved, Where never in danger. Also try to prove his actions,in hopes to to try to save his name, and the Bush/Cheney Admin.

This guy is GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY. Put his old Arse In JAIL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 05/11/2009
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Okay, I know where the line is and I know I can't cross it, but let me ask this question without a 3 AM knock at the door please, because after all this is just an internet magazine and I am only posing a hypothetical question!

If this report, reputedly the one Cheney claims exonerates him, shows that torture DID NOT work, will Cheney:

(A) kill himself
(B) allow himself to undergo waterboarding to prove once and for all that it's not torture
(C) engage in some more infantile "I'm rubber, you're glue" behavior while kissing Rush Limbaugh's nether regions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 05/11/2009
- Tom Joad I'm a Fan of Tom Joad 254 fans permalink
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wow. you got that by the mod. kudos!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 05/11/2009
- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 91 fans permalink

That's fine, but where does that leave George W. Bush, who at least according to the law was the Commander in Chief, nominally Dick Cheney's boss? Why all the focus on Cheney and none on Bush?

This, of course, comes in the wake of Cheney's astounding admission Sunday on Face the Nation that "as far as he knew" George W. Bush was aware of and approved the practicesof torture and interrogation that Cheney pushed.

"As far as he knew?" Are you kidding me? By that we can assume it is possible Bush didn't know and Cheney went ahead a did what he was doing anyway?

If this is true, then there is no doubt that in the wake of September 11, 2001, Dick Cheney pulled a bloodless coup d'etat and was essentially running the government from his secret undisclosed location, and George W. Bush was merely the hand-puppet for Cheney and the neo-cons who ran roughshod over the Constitution, Iraq, and all of us.

If this isn't all that is needed for a full-throated, impartial investigation into the crimes and misdemeanors of the past eight years, I don't know what is.

Cheney's behavior makes what Richard Nixon did before, during, and after Watergate seem like child's play.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 05/12/2009
- Eriq I'm a Fan of Eriq 15 fans permalink
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Okay, I join you in asking the question you posed. This way, we can BOTH get a 3'00a.m. knock at the door.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 05/13/2009
- Tom Joad I'm a Fan of Tom Joad 254 fans permalink
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If the only way to defeat evil is to be more evil, then evil wins, in which case evil is not defeated..­.hmmmm...q­uite the conundrum for the former VP...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 05/11/2009
- American50 I'm a Fan of American50 7 fans permalink
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Release "Holy Grail" Torture Report


Yea and Pelosi Ly'ed.....­....awesom­e!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 05/11/2009
- American50 I'm a Fan of American50 7 fans permalink
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oh please.....we will all soon know!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 05/12/2009
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Still waiting on proof there pal...

And if you post a link to Limburger or Hattety, I will virtually smack the taste out your mouth :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 05/12/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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How supremely ironic that a Republican President signed a treaty that will send another one (G.W. Bush Jr. et alia) to prison. The treaty was the United Nations Conference on Torture (signed in 1988 and ratified by the Senate in 1994). Justice works in mysterious ways sometimes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 05/11/2009
- Badfickle I'm a Fan of Badfickle 111 fans permalink

From Reagan's address to congress regarding said treaty:

The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called "universal jurisdiction." Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 05/11/2009
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The key word there is "required." All these people running around promoting the meme "nothing will ever happen to Bush & Co." are out of touch with reality. We do not actually rule the world, and there is such a thing as universal jurisdiction.

We're being given time to get our national act together, but there must be prosecution of the people involved with these tortures. It has to happen. We don't get to choose not to prosecute them. We are compelled to do so. If we do not, our allies will step in and shoulder the burden we fail to carry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 05/11/2009
- Eriq I'm a Fan of Eriq 15 fans permalink
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Right. "required." Just like Spain's judge Garzón had done with Pinochet (and I was very proud of Garzón for that!), and as he is now trying to do with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

I really would like to see Bush on trial in Spain... It would be easier for him, though, as Spain has no capital punishment, so perhaps he'd better pray to his Conservative Republican God that his trial happens there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 05/13/2009
- American50 I'm a Fan of American50 7 fans permalink
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Yea it'll be absolutely wonderful when the messiah gets impeached for a direct connection to your beloved Acorn!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 05/12/2009
- JohnSawyer I'm a Fan of JohnSawyer 41 fans permalink
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Yes, and we all know how many people ACORN tortured...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 05/12/2009
- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 91 fans permalink

You've got an acorn in the place of your lizard brain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 05/12/2009
- mick7191 I'm a Fan of mick7191 34 fans permalink
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And what would be impeachable? Please elaborate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 AM on 05/12/2009
- Badfickle I'm a Fan of Badfickle 111 fans permalink

Yes! Impeach Obama for his ACORN loving SOCIALIST TELEPROMPTER that shoots DiJON MUSTARD and forges BIRTH CERTIFICATES!

Did I miss anything?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 05/12/2009
- Oldchef I'm a Fan of Oldchef 2 fans permalink

What on earth are you talking about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 05/12/2009
- Eriq I'm a Fan of Eriq 15 fans permalink
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Yes, it would be wonderful to see Bush stand trial, and also to see him marched into a life-time prison sentence. But let's not forget that trip Jenna made for him to Uruguay. She bought a mammoth tract of land, so Bush and family can high-tail it out of the U.S.
Might they set up a new drug kingdom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 05/13/2009
- tnfit78 I'm a Fan of tnfit78 14 fans permalink
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In a related story: "White House prepares to throw Holy Hand Grenade!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 05/11/2009
- Badfickle I'm a Fan of Badfickle 111 fans permalink

One, two, Four!

Three sir!

Three!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 05/11/2009

What happened to Khalid Sheik Mohammed's kids, aged 7 and 9 years of age, after they were kidnapped in an effort to get them to tell the CIA where "Daddy Was"? One month after John Yoo approved "putting insects on detainees" (caterpillars, and destinged scorpions, and such that the detainees might think were poisonous but weren't) while the prisoner was placed inside a confinement, "stress-position box"...KSM's two boys were subjected to having insects placed on them.

According to British newspapers they were later brought to the United States for further efforts to encourage their father to "talk".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 05/11/2009
- Amalek I'm a Fan of Amalek 98 fans permalink
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They registered as republicans, converted to evangelical Christianity and now pose as small versions of Eric Cantor in pizza parlors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 05/11/2009
- Tomhere I'm a Fan of Tomhere 4 fans permalink

I've seen them myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 05/11/2009
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Lets see GWB made War to be a "HERO" over exported democracy while Killing the Constitution-

GWB is all hate why would any organization of business want to be associated with a Man on the wrong side of world history?? I can't wait to see what else is released-- Will this be the Mother Load John Ashcroft stated History will not judge them kindly

Or will this be what Micheal Ratner stated illegal military ops ran by the DOD- Bush de facto world- of drugging kidnapping torturing murdering raping agents in the shadow world!! By the Way great testimony from FBI Director Mueller stating the DOD forced torture- All on You Tube- THX BoB

http://www.ccrjustice.org/learn-more/vidoes/michael-ratner-democracy-now%3Aprosecute-bush-officials-%28pt.-2%29

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 05/11/2009

The more I see of Cheney out in the open trying to scrub his place in history clean, the more it occurs to me that he may be inciting the very elements that carried out 9/11 (terrorist­s/CIA-spon­sored military/domestic thugs) to create another great tragedy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 05/11/2009

1) Can we now expect specifics regarding the 100 terrorist attacks that AG Ashcroft claimed were averted via illegal domestic spying?

2 Re 266+ waterboardings of two (2) individuals, will anyone in Congress demand an accounting of precisely WHAT incremental intel was acquired with EACH subsequent instance? (see Cheney claim)

Absent evidence of an incremental production of actionable intel, this represents
incompetence, insanity (repeating the same thing, but expecting a different outcome) or sadism.

Americans actually deserve to know which it was - and who pressed for it at all levels!

BTW - Has ANYONE in Congress or MSM actively pursued getting transcripts of videotaped CIA interrogations (tapes later destroyed by CIA) ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 05/11/2009
- SecondBase I'm a Fan of SecondBase 32 fans permalink

I don't think American "deserve" to know the truth.

I think Americans (real Americans) would "demand" to know the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 05/11/2009

We can see how many imminent terrorist attacks were averted by simply looking at the consequences of the 7 "Orange Alerts" that occurred. Presumably the US Government would only issue these when an attack was actually thought to be coming, and they were going into an operational mode. This would have been the case if KSM or Abu Zubaydah had actually told anyone about a real plot.

But was there a single arrest of a terrorist involved in the planning of an imminent attack as a result of such alerts? Were there any raids that thwarted such an attack? No...the only people arrested after one of them was a group of individuals who, independently of AQ, were planning to travel to Pakistan and join a terrorist camp. But they were known about for over a half year, and had never even actually contacted AQ. They were wannabes, angry at the invasion of Iraq.

Tom Ridge conceded that all of the Orange Alerts were a result of hoaxes, false intelligence from actual AQ detainees, and just wild guesses (the anniversary of 9/11). Billions were spent on useless increased security, and lives disrupted...but not a single life was saved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 05/11/2009
- Emerald1943 I'm a Fan of Emerald1943 276 fans permalink
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And if you remember, we seemed to be having those "orange alerts" every time we turned around....that is, until Bush won his second term. The alerts stopped abruptly and we never had another one. Bush had no further reason to use the fear tactics to keep the American people in line. He had what he wanted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 05/11/2009
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I remember hearing something along these lines:

"We are now at Orange alert. We have no specific information about where, when, or who, but we are SURE something is going to happen"

Pretty much sums up the past 8 years, I think...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 05/12/2009
- scarab23 I'm a Fan of scarab23 8 fans permalink
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Ashcroft is the same guy that squandered millions of dollars in his efforts against Tommy Chong, for chrissake. Nothing that man ever said contains one seed of credibility. Jesus, protect me from your followers, such as that rotten scoundrel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 05/11/2009
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