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Congress Passes Landmark Credit Card Reform; House Passes GOP Amendment To Allow Guns In National Parks

First Posted: 06/14/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:20 PM ET

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The House of Representatives passed sweeping credit card reform legislation Wednesday aimed at limiting abusive and deceptive credit card practices. The measure passed with a resounding 361-64 vote and now heads to the president's desk.

A Republican amendment to allow guns in National Parks also passed, 279-147. House Democratic leaders had decided to split the bill into two parts so as not to force liberal members to vote in favor of the gun rule.

The overwhelming vote is a signal of how far the country's politics have shifted as a result of the financial crisis. Despite popularity in the 90-percent range, the bill never had a chance of passing in previous years.

"I've been in Washington twenty years. For the first nineteen we couldn't even get a committee vote on credit card reform despite these practices," remarked PIRG's Ed Mierzwinski.

Despite the shifting political terrain, Congress was unable earlier to win a similar victory over the banking lobby, which blocked a measure aimed at reducing foreclosures by allowing homeowners to renegotiate mortgages in bankruptcy.

What a difference a president can make.

In the lead-up to the recent vote on anti-foreclosure legislation in the Senate, the White House was nowhere to be found. As the bill marched to its death, Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) lamented the administration's "ambivalence." With little standing against it, the banking lobby pillaged the Senate, persuading a dozen Democrats to vote against homeowners.

The day after it was killed, the administration released a note saying it still wanted "appropriately tailored bankruptcy language."

Contrast that with credit card reform. On Wednesday night, Dodd, the credit card bill's champion, took to the Senate floor to announce that it was Obama's push for the bill that opened the possibility for its passage.

Obama brought the heads of the credit card companies to the White House. He publicly called for tough reforms. On Thursday, he gave it one of the heftiest pushes he could, holding one of his patented town hall meetings on credit cards.

"These practices, they've only grown worse in the middle of this recession, when people can afford them least," he told the crowd.

What explains the contrasting approaches? Most obviously, it's hard to find a more odious villain than credit card companies. Everybody hates them. And credit card reform is easier to explain than the bill aimed at reducing foreclosures. It would have allowed judges in bankruptcy court to renegotiate - or cramdown - a homeowners mortgage. That takes more time to explain than a bill whose purpose is to prevent credit card companies from punching you in the mouth - a habit every American knows credit card companies have no plan to kick.

"Bankruptcy reform, important as it was, was sort of esoteric. If you went into O'Halloran's Pub, the fellas aren't saying to you, 'What's going on with bankruptcy reform?'" Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) told the Huffington Post. "But they might say, 'What are you doing about my credit cards?' The average person feels the second much more than the first, even though both are important."

Opponents of bankruptcy reform were able to shape the terms of the debate effectively. Why should somebody who lied to get a mortgage get bailed out while I play by the rules? Democrats tried to make the case that foreclosures affect everybody and are at the heart of the financial crisis, but Santelli-ism prevailed.

More importantly, the credit card bill is also not a fundamental threat to the structure of the financial industry. Rather than a knife to the gut, it's more a paper cut. Being required to warn consumers before jacking up interest rates may annoy financial institutions, but it won't radically alter the way they do business.

The one piece of credit card reform that did go to the heart of the finance industry went nowhere. Sen. Bernie Sanders, a self-described socialist from Vermont who caucuses with Democrats, introduced an amendment to cap interest rates at 15 percent. Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) used a parliamentary maneuver to prevent it from coming up for a vote. In the motion to overrule Shelby, only 33 senators stuck with Sanders.

The cramdown bill, on the other hand, went right at it. Allowing homeowners to renegotiate mortgages in bankruptcy would tilt power away from the banks. It would give them an incentive to work out mortgage modifications rather than go to foreclosure. It would threaten the securitized bond market and require investors to do more diligent research about the loans they purchased and bundled.

Obama had company on the sidelines as he watched the banks run up the score on bankruptcy reform. There was little organized push from the left. MoveOn.org, which called its members to action to push the bankruptcy bill over the line in the House was silent during the Senate fight. Labor did some internal lobbying work but, a labor lobbyist told the Huffington Post, its membership was concentrating on grassroots activity on the Employee Free Choice Act. AARP, another public supporter of the bill and a powerful lobby, never activated its membership, an AARP spokeswoman said. The Center for Responsible Lending was arguably the most visible group involved in negotiations, but it has a limited budget and no mass membership.

Progressive groups have been much more vocal in the push for credit card reform, support that Democratic aides say has made it dramatically easier to push the bill. MoveOn activated its members, as did a broad coalition of liberal and consumer organizations.

"We applaud President Obama for his leadership in pushing for reforms of credit card industry practices that unfairly strip billions of dollars from America's families each year," a broad coalition of progressive organizations representing consumers, civil rights groups, small businesses and labor said in a joint statement today.

"We're glad President Obama has reaffirmed his commitment to signing the bill by Memorial Day and urge the Senate to act quickly to meet that deadline."

The president has a powerful bullhorn in his hands, but it only works when he speaks into it.

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wilderness is my church
10:45 AM on 05/23/2009
I am tired of GUNS GUNS GUNS....concealed guns, guns in parks where else are we going to have guns? I support the 2cd, but I am sick and tired of the obession. Do I need a gun for security all the time?
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HisXLNC
No.
01:02 PM on 05/23/2009
Barack Obama seems to think so.

He seems to never go anywhere without a gun nearby.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
11:00 PM on 05/23/2009
"I am tired of GUNS GUNS GUNS"

Well, perhaps if Feinstein, Holder, Clinton, Helmke, Sugarmann, and Obama had not made repeated statements supporting more gun control, it would not be such an issue.

"where else are we going to have guns? "

If a person has a valid CCW, just about anywhere and everywhere.

"Do I need a gun for security all the time?"

Depends on your situation.
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washlib
05:45 PM on 05/21/2009
Having been shot at in a national forest before by bozos shooting across a river, i'll say this.

Prove to me that the US has a consistent system of background checks, psych exams and requires classes in gun care and marksmanship, and THEN I'll support gun ownership. Even so, guns more often kill friends or family members than are EVER used in defense.

It's just too friggen easy for yahoos to get guns who have no idea how to properly use them and care for them. First step might be to eliminate gunshows..
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
05:51 PM on 05/21/2009
"Prove to me that the US has a consistent system of background checks"

NICS.

"psych exams "

Useless

"classes in gun care and marksmanship"

Prior restraint. Not allowed.

"Even so, guns more often kill "

Guns do nothing.

"friends or family members than are EVER used in defense."

False. By a ration of over 1000 to 1, false.
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Tom Joad
"While there is a lower class, I am in it "
05:20 PM on 05/21/2009
The 2nd Amendment provides for the right to bear arms. It does not provide for the right to carry a gun every single minute of every single day. It is not an absolute right. The government can (within its powers) place limits on gun possession. For instance, I have a right to a gun-free workplace. If government passed legislation outlawing gun possession in the workplace, that law would not significantly infringe on the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, in the same way that not all speech is protected by the 1st Amendment - government can (and does) limit some forms of speech without significantly infringing on the 1st Amendment.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
05:23 PM on 05/21/2009
" It is not an absolute right. "

No one says it is. Like all rights (speech, press, assembly, etc.), there are restrictions as to its exercise.

"If government passed legislation outlawing gun possession in the workplace, that law would not significantly infringe on the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms"

Actually, it quite possibly could. If your employer has such a policy, fine.

Regardless, do you have a point?
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05:14 PM on 05/21/2009
There's simply no need to have concealed weapons in national parks. This is just another instance of the NRA/gun nut lobby bullying our spineless congress.
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07:37 PM on 05/21/2009
Unless you happen to be a hiker who was murdered in a national park
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dan-o
04:11 PM on 05/21/2009
The local laws pertaining to carrying guns will apply to the parks. This law allows people who have concealed carry permits in a given state to carry in a park in that state. States such as Wisconsin and Illinois do not allow concealed weapons so people cannot carry concealed in those states. Wisconsin is an open carry state so people can carry anywhere that is not prohibited by law or on private property that is posted as long as the gun is not concealed. A lot of states are open carry and their citizens and police do not know it.
04:05 PM on 05/21/2009
Precedural question: The House split the amendment off of the senate version for a separate vote, thereby really creating two bills as opposed to the Senate's one. Can Obama veto the gun/national parks bill but sign the credit card reform bill?
04:38 PM on 05/21/2009
I asked that question (with tongue in cheek) yesterday. According to another story on this site, the Credit Card bill and the gun amendment will be "recombined" before going to the White House. That would presumably mean only one signature.
gardenkitty
Micro-bios for world peace!
03:25 PM on 05/21/2009
It is hard to imagine a reason why any visitor to a national park would require a loaded gun. I guess the Republicans in the House have a more vivid imagination than I do. ;)
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KIVPossum
Moldova Marsupial
03:38 PM on 05/21/2009
Why do they need to carry their gun into restaurants, bars, shopping malls? I feel sorry for people who live in such fear all the time. It must be terrible to be afraid to walk out of your home without a weapon.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
04:16 PM on 05/21/2009
We do not live in fear. We are simply prepared.

I do not live in fear of a fire in my house, yet I have a fire extinguisher and smoke/CO detector.

I do not live in fear of a flat tire, yet I have a spare in my car.
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07:39 PM on 05/21/2009
People have been r.aped and k.illed in national parks. It happens. No imagination required.
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carljr
03:09 PM on 05/21/2009
A new approach

More Guns

No Bullets

Nothing in the second amendment about bullets.
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CelticMajic
The answer lies in each of us individually
03:16 PM on 05/21/2009
Please tell us you have thought more deeply than this about his issue. Please tell us.
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itschuck2c
04:59 PM on 05/21/2009
Have you studied the Heller decision?? Same principal.
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02:53 PM on 05/21/2009
Now NRA members will be able to shoot themselves in the great outdoors without fear of prosecution.
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03:25 PM on 05/21/2009
thanks... that was helpful...
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KIVPossum
Moldova Marsupial
01:49 PM on 05/21/2009
Just what we need...thousands of folks running around the national forests with a sidearm. Most of them will be city folks who are jumpy about being out with lions and tigers and bears, and ready to draw at the slightest sound in the leaves. Just a matter of time until a kid running through the bushes, or a couple having a picnic on a blanket are carried out in body bags.
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barkrudedog69
Im Kinda Republican and Kinda Liberal
02:01 PM on 05/21/2009
Or, a family is walking in the woods and steps up on a snake that comes after them and the person pulls out their revolver that has a couple of buckshots in it as they are outdoors people and takes aim and saves the day. That happend to me just last year. I had my wife, kids, and dog in a national forest and I could not walk away. So there are two sides of every possible situation. Since nature is where you are at....which may happen?
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KIVPossum
Moldova Marsupial
02:30 PM on 05/21/2009
Let's see, I've done about 1800 miles of the AT, have wandered all over the southern mountains, and over the course of 60 years have probably spent 3 of them backpacking in the national forests and parks. Not once have I been in danger from the wildlife, but have many times from drunks and ignorant city folks trying to play backwoodsman. .

You see a snake? Your dog should have been on a leash and not in danger from the snake, your kids should be under your control and leave it alone Most likely it was harmless to start with, and if not, you just walk arond it. The woods belong to it, not you. .

If you can't handle a few critters around you, stay home
02:32 PM on 05/21/2009
In such a scenario, you must remember that the animals were there first. You are a visitor in their home, not the other way around. Aside from some cowboy blasting away at a shadow and killing people, we should also be concerned about the itchy-trigger fingered nut who thinks it's open season on wildlife. Animals in a national park are typically protected by federal law, as in "no hunting." I, for one, will feel less safe in a national park after this legislation.
01:27 PM on 05/21/2009
I had no idea our national parks were so dangerous that we all need to be armed. So when I hear the loudmouth drunks in the camping spot near mine do I shoot them or wait for them to start the gun battle?
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02:56 PM on 05/21/2009
Honestly, violent crime in National Parks is not uncommon.
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lwaldmann
01:27 PM on 05/21/2009
I think that all this talk of guns in parks, in schools, in the hands of retards on the Police Force (not the highest standard's maintained), is a symptom of extreme stupidity. Further, I believe that if a study where to be done, it would result in Americans realizing that their gene pool is going back in time, you are becoming stupider then George Bush. Hard to believe but true.

Lary Waldman
01:34 PM on 05/21/2009
uhhh..stupider....lol....you need to take english comp again...stupid...more stupid....most stupid...
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redkim
Wounded by beauty, I am one who struggles with God
01:50 PM on 05/21/2009
That was really unnecessary.
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washlib
05:12 PM on 05/21/2009
i really think that Bush2 legitimatized the use of the word "stupider", and "stupidest".
01:02 PM on 05/21/2009
I would like to go on record as being in favor of arming bears.
01:05 PM on 05/21/2009
i got news for you...if bears could reason as well as wolves you would not go into the woods..ever...
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barkrudedog69
Im Kinda Republican and Kinda Liberal
01:46 PM on 05/21/2009
Maybe the Chicago Bears....
12:51 PM on 05/21/2009
The law should be that if anyone's gun kills someone, the person responsible for the gun goes to prison.

If the person reports the gun stolen, then that person pays a huge fine if the gun kills or injures anyone.

And if the gun cannot be tracked the manufacturer then must pay a massive fine because they lost track of the gun.

And handguns should just plain be outlawed.
01:00 PM on 05/21/2009
many more die from auto accidents, why not outlaw them ? If my car is stolen and the thief kills with it, do I go to jail ? If you want guns outlawed change the constitution.
01:07 PM on 05/21/2009
can we do the same for drugs....and cars...
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motoGpifupleez
watching with amusement
12:40 PM on 05/21/2009
Will the RightWingrs and the nra now shut up about he "Liberal plot to disarm America"?
Now PeeWee can tell everyone at the park that he's packing a "Big Gun".
01:04 PM on 05/21/2009
just as soon as the pro-abortion crowd shuts up about the pro-lifers always trying to take away their right to murder the unborn...the anti-gun crowd will never stop...just read paul helmke and josh sugarmann....let me know when the brady bunch and the vpc and the others disband..let me know when the really leftwing of the democratic party stops offering up gun control bills on a weekly basis....
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motoGpifupleez
watching with amusement
02:26 PM on 05/21/2009
PeeWee heard from.
01:05 PM on 05/21/2009
No, here in Albany, NY they are proposing some of the most backwards draconian laws in the nation. But don't you all worry, I show up to all my county legislators meetings to let them know how we feel. Now if we could only get concealed carry permits in Albany co. without having to be the son (or daughter) of a judge or a politician, wait over a year, follow up on references, pay absurd fees, get printed even though I have a government security clearance & US military M9 training... buying a serial number free handgun from my neighbor is soooo much easier, although they are the lowest of quality.. The risk of an auto-felony for that gun isn't worth it.... yet. Besides guns are useless without bullets, which is where the real problem is.
01:13 PM on 05/21/2009
do you know much about reloading....gun powder has three ingredients...and the only one that might be hard to get is salt peter..you might actually have to go out and pick some up off the ground...and you can buy enough lead to last a lifetime for about the price of a good meal....