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First Posted: 6/19/09 Updated: 5/25/11

Yet another Democrat in Congress is alleging that the CIA included incorrect information in its records about past congressional briefings on interrogation policies.

Rep. David Obey sent a letter to CIA Director Leon Panetta on Tuesday saying that "in light of current controversy about CIA briefing practices," he was "surprised to learn that the agency erroneously listed an appropriations staffer as being in a key briefing on September 19, 2006, when in fact he was not."

Writes the Wisconsin Democrat: "The list the agency released entitled 'Member Briefings on Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (EITs)', shows that House Appropriations Committee defense appropriations staffer Paul Juola was in that briefing on that date. In fact, Mr. Juola recollects that he walked members to the briefing room, met General Hayden and Mr. Walker, who were the briefers, and was told that he could not attend the briefing. We request that you immediately correct this record."

The letter makes Obey the fourth Democrat to allege that the CIA's record of which members of Congress were briefed on the Bush administration's enhanced interrogation techniques contained factual errors. Former Sen. Bob Graham, in an interview with the Huffington Post, noted that the agency's records initially had him being briefed four times in 2002 about the interrogation techniques. Upon contacting officials with the CIA, it was determined that he had only attended one such briefing. Similarly, Sen. Jay Rockefeller has said that the records kept by the agency and made public on May 7 contained errors in regards to his briefings.

All told, the testimonies of these three Democratic officials bolster the case made by Speaker Nancy Pelosi that the agency's own account of those now-controversial briefings is misleading. Pelosi -- like Graham -- has insisted that members of Congress were kept in the dark in the fall of 2002 about the Bush administration's use of waterboarding on terrorist suspects.

Critics of the Speaker have chastised her for claiming that the agency would mislead members of Congress, with some conservative voices even calling for her resignation. Similar complaints have not been leveled at Rockefeller or Graham, so it will be curious and telling to watch the reaction that Obey's letter engenders.


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Yet another Democrat in Congress is alleging that the CIA included incorrect information in its records about past congressional briefings on interrogation policies. Rep. David Obey sent a letter to...
Yet another Democrat in Congress is alleging that the CIA included incorrect information in its records about past congressional briefings on interrogation policies. Rep. David Obey sent a letter to...
 
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CJWebber
05:22 PM on 05/23/2009
Everyone knows the CIA lies, just as everyone knew the U.S. tortured.
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verycold
08:19 PM on 05/21/2009
I haven't read the MANY posts, but if anybody is making light of this situation you are a darn fool. If we cannot trust the word of the CIA as well as the Speaker of the House we have big internal problems that apparently nobody saw fit to mention previously­.

The posters can only guess what is true. I will say this with reasonable certainty that Pelosi was lying about something. Nobody is that screwed up with words unless her brain was misfiring from trying to remember what lie she told when.

At this point, what matters is that Obama needs to figure out what is fact and fiction ASAP
09:52 AM on 05/22/2009
Is lying not part of this nation's tradition, unfortunat­ely? Why are you supprised? From the ones standing on church pulpits to the ones providing the news in the media et cetera, are all liars. And, it starts from birth-Sant­a Clause, then they start calling it white lies. By the time they become adults, lying becomes an art form, for most of them, in every aspect of their lives. From the clothes they wear (they want to be thinner, so wear black clothes or taller, so wear high heels), smile (smile with only your upper set of teeth showing), talk (political correctnes­s and double-spe­ak), walk (they want to be sexy), body constituti­on (they want breast, lips, buttocks, chest, inter alia, implants). With a system grounded on lies and fakery, there should be no surprises that lies are told by politician­s. Though very disruptive and annoying, it's what we have to contend with! It's a national desease.
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KIVPossum
Moldova Marsupial
01:48 PM on 05/22/2009
Yes,Obama needs to step in. Either Pelosi or the CIA is lying. Probably the CIA, since they have a good record for lies and deception. Eithe way, he needs to get to the bottom of it and call for her resignatio­n if she's the one, or clean house at the CIA if it's them.
07:43 PM on 05/21/2009
The CIA -- lie? and then du.m.my up their records? and do whatever they da.m.n please?
Nah that just couldn't happen, could it ???
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dems08
2012: 60 US Senators / 218 House Seats
07:16 PM on 05/21/2009
CIA lies re: Iran Contra and Iran Contra cover-up

The CIA was aware of the Contra involvemen­t in drug traffickin­g, did nothing to stop it, interceded with the DEA to block investigat­ions -- and then lied to Congress about it and about Contras being funded by proceeds from illegal arms sales to Iran...

Alan Fiers, head of CIA's Central American Task Force, pleaded guilty to withholdin­g informatio­n about the Contras from Congress. "Dewey" Clarridge, chief of CIA Contra support operations­, was indicted for lying to Congress..­.

Bush One pardoned Fiers, Clarridge, Weinberger and others.
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tonydon
11:43 AM on 05/22/2009
RIGHT ON, yea the CIA lie and the m oon is green cheese
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03:57 PM on 05/22/2009
Impossible for you to consider that spies might lie to anyone, right?

Some of us are broader minded.
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dems08
2012: 60 US Senators / 218 House Seats
06:45 PM on 05/21/2009
CIA lies re: their role in torture and torture cover-up

Rep. David Obey: The CIA erroneousl­y listed House defense appropriat­ions staffer Paul Juola "as being in a key briefing [on enhanced interrogat­ions] on September 2006, when he was not."

Former Sen. Bob Graham: The CIA's records initially had him being briefed four times in 2002 about the interrogat­ion techniques­. It was determined that he had only attended one such briefing.

Sen. Jay Rockefelle­r: The CIA matrix reported that Rockefelle­r was briefed on Feb. 4, 2003, but notes that Rockefelle­r received a "later individual briefing." The senator was not briefed until Sept. 4, 2003.

Rep. Nancy Pelosi: Members of Congress were kept in the dark in the fall of 2002 about the Bush administra­tion's use of waterboard­ing...

Chris Mellon, Senate staffer, left the Senate in April 2004 and did not attend the briefing on July 15, 2004 that the CIA recorded him as attending.

Porter Goss, former House Intelligen­ce Committee Chairman, was shown on the CIA chart as attending a March 8, 2005 briefing as a member of Congress. Goss was at that time the director of the CIA.
05:37 PM on 05/21/2009
Smart move by Nancy to throw $6 billion in Stimulus pork spending to Obey's congressio­nal district..­.very smart move Nancy.
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dems08
2012: 60 US Senators / 218 House Seats
06:49 PM on 05/21/2009
link to that please... thanks brand

oh, and also tell us...what FACTS about the CIA's lies are different because of Rep. Obey's district get stimulus funds?
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2008FedUP
The curtains have been drawn...we see u :)
02:32 PM on 05/21/2009
Ruh Roh Elroy.
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JohnHKennedy
02:31 PM on 05/21/2009
The CIA has become a rogue agency, lying to Congress and the voters, manipulati­ng our President and apparently assassinat­ing foreigners­. This must stop. We need to know the truth. We need some type of commission similar to the Church Commission to investigat­e and publish the truth of their findings to the voters. We also need a Special Prosecutor to control the use of immunity given to witnesses.

SIGN THE PETITION Calling for a Special Prosecutor and a Commission

http://ANG­RYVOTERS.O­RG

over 250,000 have signed
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11:24 AM on 05/22/2009
"Become"

as if it were not always "rogue"

Some people were born yesterday.
11:32 AM on 05/22/2009
Read Alexander Cockburns book "Whiteout"­. It details all the CIA activities during the Latin America years-It will turn your stomach.
12:36 PM on 05/21/2009
The Nazis kept accurate records, thanks to the punch card and IBM; what excuse has the CIA?
11:25 AM on 05/22/2009
These are the same people who can't make backups of White House E-mail.
12:14 PM on 05/21/2009
Why should we believe anything the CIA says regarding torture? Has everyone forgotten about the "slam dunk" of yellow cake uranium? Remember, the slam dunk wasn't that the yellow cake existed. The CIA knew that it didn't. The slam dunk that George Tenet was talking about was that the US citizens would be convinced by the story.

Have we forgotten that we have documentat­ion and testimony proving that the CIA has perpetrate­d elaborate lies to manage and manipulate us all?
11:53 AM on 05/21/2009
Did you know that torturing lies out of detainees, of links between 9/11 and Iraq, in order to justify going to war in Iraq, wasn't the only law-breaki­ng by the CIA under orders from the Bush administra­tion.

The CIA showed photograph­s that it faked, taken in the southwest US, and told members of Congress that it was of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), aka drones, that they were capable of carrying nuclear, biological­, or chemical agents, & could strike 1,000 miles inland of east coast or west coast cities.

This is what convinced members of Congress to give Bush the authority to go to war in Iraq.

http://www­.counterpu­nch.org/br­asch090320­07.html

Republican congressma­n Darryl Issa on Hardball yesterday:

http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=rfR9Pruj6­04
11:43 AM on 05/21/2009
Pelosi is not going anywere, and Republican­s just destroing themselfs with no ones help!
05:38 PM on 05/21/2009
And who wants Nancy to leave??? She is the face of the Democrat party and with her approvals at 9%...pleas­e keep her in place...I beg you...let her stay out front and in our faces.
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dems08
2012: 60 US Senators / 218 House Seats
06:58 PM on 05/21/2009
link to that 9%, would ya brandy?
11:16 AM on 05/21/2009
Why were they doing torture (water boarding)?

It seems rather obvious, and has been confirmed, that the reason was to illicit false testimony linking Saddam to Al Qaeda, and justify the invasion of Iraq.

However, they were, and still are, claiming they were torturing to prevent further attacks. The whole pretext for the torture and the war was a lie. The motivation and psychology of the people who conceived the plan to torture, implement it as policy, and ordered it, was one of misleading deception from the start.

The CIA briefings could only have been misleading­. Do you think they would actually tell Nancy Pelosi that they were torturing (water boarding) people to get them to falsely link Saddam to Al Qaeda, and that Cheney ordered it, Bush signed off on it, with lawyers' blessings?

Cheney and Rice tell us to remember what it was like back then, and that they were faced with difficult decisions and they didn't know where the next attack would come from.... Well, it was also an environmen­t of purging all levels of government of anyone deemed disloyal to the Republican­s, Bush and Cheney. Please don't say you've forgotten that environmen­t.

Do you really think CIA people carrying out Cheney's torture plans would keep Democrats in the loop, let alone someone they considered so virulently antithetic and untrustwor­thy as Nancy Pelosi? Not a chance.

Common sense psychology tells you the answer - a big NO - but thankfully so do the facts.
11:54 AM on 05/21/2009
Did you know that torturing lies out of detainees, of links between 9/11 and Iraq, in order to justify going to war in Iraq, wasn't the only law-breaki­ng by the CIA under orders from the Bush administra­tion.

The CIA showed photograph­s that it faked, taken in the southwest US, and told members of Congress that it was of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), aka drones, that they were capable of carrying nuclear, biological­, or chemical agents, & could strike 1,000 miles inland of east coast or west coast cities.

This is what convinced members of Congress to give Bush the authority to go to war in Iraq.

http://www­.counterpu­nch.org/br­asch090320­07.html

Republican congressma­n Darryl Issa on Hardball yesterday:

http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=rfR9Pruj6­04
10:03 AM on 05/21/2009
Who is this guy, and where did he come from? Never saw or heard of him before. Guess he owes a few favors huh?
10:28 AM on 05/21/2009
He's a member of the House, and I guess he came from his home state. You haven't heard of him because he doesn't have a show in Fox News.
11:27 AM on 05/21/2009
Well, He is one top Democrat, and This man. Mr.David Obey is not a joke. I watch politics and I see this man talking with a lot of sense!!! He is well respected one!!
Lats night on CNN, one of htose who were in romm, while Senator were informed about torture, Pelosi is right and republican­s are lying.Hate for woman in power and as their 3rd in line BOSS is so much agains their eagle.Thay are efter Pelosi for a long time. She is right, She is not lying, but YES, Republican­s are, and that is the fact. Leon Panetta is making a big mistake, by calling Pelosi a liar, because His "facts" are wrong.More evidence are showing, that especjaly Gingrich (History Proffesor)­is lying.
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oregonideas
09:26 AM on 05/21/2009
the CIA has just announced that it changing its moniker to the "CYA."
05:18 AM on 05/22/2009
My point was not stressing my lack of knowledge or my education background­. Nice attempts to be mean spirited, and demeaning. I was simple saying that Obey is not one who parades out every day for camera time like so many others. But then today, we see him out striving to defend Pelosi. Just making a note, that maybe he was repaying some dues or favors. Who needs GOOGLE or civic classes when absolutely the truth lies here in comments on HP. Haha!
12:19 PM on 05/22/2009
Trust us, your point was definitely stressing your lack of knowledge and education. Maybe you didn't mean to do it, but you did it. If you had knowledge and education, you wouldn't write things that left you wide open to ridicule, would you?

Don't worry, I don't think the liberal posters around here are attending a lot of Mensa meetings.
11:04 PM on 05/22/2009
Thanks for showing your ignorance. I'm from WI. We have a few pretty decent legislator­s. Obey, Feingold, Baldwin, are all above reproach.
Your statement included 'owing favors.' That indicated your intent. Slander.
Pitiful. Uninformed­. And unable to see that maybe Mr Obey's integrity demanded that he bring forth informatti­on that he knew to be true.
Stop apologizin­g. Stop your inane hypothesiz­ing. Think before you comment here. And maybe do a little homework too.