Uighurs Fire Back At Gingrich From Gitmo: "Why Does He Hate Us So Much?"

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First Posted: 05-19-09 01:40 PM   |   Updated: 05-19-09 04:19 PM

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Chinese Muslims known as Uighurs, detained for more than six years and counting at the American prison at Guantanamo Bay, are firing back at Newt Gingrich, who has accused them of terrorist ties and says that releasing them into the United States would endanger the country.

The seventeen Uighurs told their translator, Rushan Abbas, how they felt when they heard Gingrich's remarks. Abbas has been working with them in Guantanamo since 2002, initially contracted by the Department of Defense. The Uighurs' rejoinder to Gingrich is the first quasi-interview with detainees still imprisoned in Guantanamo.

The Bush administration has cleared the Uighurs for release; five have already been released to third countries. If returned to China, there is a high probability they'd be tortured. A vibrant Uighur community in Northern Virginia has offered to take them in, but Gingrich and others are objecting.

"Why is that our problem?" Gingrich wondered in a recent TV interview. "Why are we protecting these guys? Why does it become an American problem?"

Gingrich pushed further in an op-ed, claiming that '[b]y their own admission, Uighurs being held at Guantanamo Bay are members of or associated with the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), an al Qaeda-affiliated group designated as a terrorist organization under U.S law."

No, they have never admitted that, says Abbas, adding that the Uighurs call the claim "baseless, factless slander against them." Abbas returned from Guantanamo Monday. She now works with the Uighurs' defense attorneys, but said that her comments to the Huffington Post were not intended as advocacy on their behalf.

The Uighurs call relatives in the United States and Europe often, she says, so stay up on the news. They were surprised to hear the accusation from the former Speaker of the House.

"Why does he hate us so much and say those kinds of things? He doesn't know us. He should talk to our attorneys if he's curious about our background," Abbas relates. "How could he speak in such major media with nothing based in fact? They were very disappointed how Newt Gingrich was linking them to ETIM which they never even heard of the name ETIM until they came to Guantanamo Bay."

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The Uighurs are apparently under the misconception that American columnists are fact-checked for accuracy. "They just cannot understand," she says. "How come the media doesn't even verify the story? How could they just publish something like that without checking whether what he says is true or not?"

The Uighurs, before the outburst by Gingrich, were unfamiliar with the former speaker. "Whoever told them this news explained to them he was Speaker of the House and a very high profile person during the Clinton administration," says Abbas.

"Such a high profile person speaking such lies about us," she says they fretted. "They are concerned about their safety where ever they go."

A Gingrich spokesman did not return an e-mail requesting comment. The Uighurs were picked up by bounty hunters in Afghanistan who sold them to the U.S. military.

"China suppresses all the Uighur peaceful movement and labels all the movement terrorist," says Rebiya Kadeer, author of Dragon Fighter: One Woman's Epic Struggle for Peace with China and hailed by President Bush as a human rights champion.

"I hope that some of them will be released to the United States," says Kadeer, who now lives in Northern Virginia, through a separate translator.

Gingrich has been joined by Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.) and Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) in objecting to the Uighurs' relocation to the United States. Those objections are weighing on the administration.

Wolf spokesman Dan Scandling noted that Wolf is a champion of the Uighur cause and fought for the release of Kadeer from a Chinese prison. But he isn't convinced of their innocence. "We have had several conversations with people in the intelligence community who have told us otherwise," said Scandling. Wolf represents Langley, Va., where the CIA is headquartered.

Wolf "has not said they should not be released, just that they should not be released into the United States," said Scandling.

Wolf, in objecting to the Uighurs, said that they are fundamentalist Muslims and once smashed a TV because a woman on the screen was baring her arms.

Abbas, however, says that the detainee who went off on the TV has already been released to Albania and that it had nothing to do with any bare arms. Rather, he had repeatedly requested to speak to camp supervisors and had been ignored, so he chose to cause a scene. Scandling said Wolf's account of the TV smashing came from a story in the L.A. Times.

The coming of the Obama administration brought the Uighurs hope. They were "extremely happy" about his election and had "huge faith in President Obama," Abbas says.

They began counting the days after inauguration. They still have hope, she says, but its wearing thin. "Here we are approaching June now. When is this going to happen?" she says they wonder.

Obama has pledged to close the prison by January 2010. The Uighurs don't see how that's possible.

"If we are the innocent ones from day one -- and for the past six years, and the government knew we were innocent -- if we are still here, how he is going to deal with the 240 prisoners and shut down the base by next January?" Abbas says they ask. "They're a little bit skeptical about it actually happening."

Ryan Grim is the author of the forthcoming book This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America


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Chinese Muslims known as Uighurs, detained for more than six years and counting at the American prison at Guantanamo Bay, are firing back at Newt Gingrich, who has accused them of terrorist ties and s...
Chinese Muslims known as Uighurs, detained for more than six years and counting at the American prison at Guantanamo Bay, are firing back at Newt Gingrich, who has accused them of terrorist ties and s...
 
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- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Anyone who imagines that the gitmo Uighurs are "innocent" of training at Tora Bora camps for the purpose of planing terror attacks has been drinking too much cool aid. Did we send our young men to Afghanistan after 911 so the terrorists they capture can later be turned loose in the USA? Please. Send them to China where they will get a fair trial, which is more than they were planing to give the innocent victims in China that they were planing to blow up.
Chinese Uighurs trained with Abdul Haq

Risky Business [Cliff May]

Abdul Haq is a member of al-Qaeda’s elite Shura Council. He has plotted terrorist attacks. We know this because just last month the Treasury Department designated Abdul Haq a terrorist affiliated with al-Qaeda (and with the Taliban as well).

Abdul Haq also was the leader and trainer of the Uighurs detained at Gitmo. We know this because many of the Uighur detainees have acknowledged it.

So, on this basis, can we conclude that it would be neither safe nor sensible to say that Uighurs trained and led by al-Qaeda leader/trainer Abdul Haq pose no danger and should be released?

Yes, we can — but we’d be in sharp disagreement with Judge Richard M. Urbina and, based on his October 17, 2008 opinion in the D.C. District Court, with President Obama who says “there is no legitimate reason to hold” the al-Qaeda-trained Uighurs.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2ZjMzQzOWZkNzQzYzg5ZjkzNWZlOTQ5MjJkNTM1ZGE=

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 05/29/2009
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Guantanamo's Uyghurs should be free!!!! Uyghurs(detainees in America's Illegallll­llllllllll­lll prison. America most not keep them any more,.....­..........­..........­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Send them back to China. If they really are innocent of training in Al Q terror camps in Tora Bora, for the purpose of attacking China, I am sure China will exonerate them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 05/20/2009

Sure, "FairTalk", send them back to China where thousands of Uyghurs are languishing in prisons on false terrorism charges, when they have done nothing but protest peacefully against Chinese policies. China would LOVE to get their hands on the remaining 17 Uyghurs to make an example of them.

"FairTalk", I've seen you around the Internet in every Uyghur-related forum, and I'm wondering how many nickels you have accumulated. You know what I mean.

By the way, "FairTalk", the reason the original 22 Uyghurs were in Afghanistan is because they fled there from East Turkestan, just like Tibetans flee to Nepal and India from Tibet. Many of them wanted to go on to Turkey and other countries, and even America. Afghanistan, as you surely know from your history classes, borders East Turkestan. Since the authorities in other bordering nations, including Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, are now in cahoots with the PSB to send all Uyghurs who are Chinese nationals back to China, Afghanistan was one place that Uyghurs could go to in order to try and transit on to a third or fourth country. The lawlessness that existed there, while presenting them with danger, also provided them, ironically, with a measure of safety.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 05/20/2009
- paganmist I'm a Fan of paganmist 67 fans permalink

I'm amazed at the faith you have in China's legal process. I've known a lot of Chinese people who don't have faith in China's legal process.

What makes you so certain that they would get a "fair trial" in China?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 06/15/2009
- TrnsNtnl I'm a Fan of TrnsNtnl 2 fans permalink

Its BS to say why are these people our problem? G... I wonder why... We should take responsibility for these people and allow them into our community with support. The chances of one of them acting out and doing something horrible is probably just as high with regular citizens at the moment given the state of global politics and our nations social situations. You cant pluck someone from their life, lock them up and torture them for years, then try to paw them off on other countries as undesirable drains on our resources or security threats. We love to create the monsters then just set them loose dont we? Disposable world through the US lense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Trns, how many regular citizens went to Al Q terror training camps in Tora Bora?

How many are fighting with Al Q and the Taliban in the Swat Valley today?

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pakistan-hands-over-nine-uyghur-militants-to-china/451721/
Pakistan has handed over nine Chinese militants arrested from the country's lawless tribal areas to China, bringing to light for the first time presence of Uyghur fighters amongst the ranks of Taliban and al-Qaeda.

The Chinese militants were involved in attacks on security forces and other terrorist activities, sources in the Interior Ministry were quoted as saying by Geo News channel.

Though there were Chinese Uyghur militants captured in Afghanistan and taken to Guantanamo Bay after the collapse of Taliban regime in Kabul, this is the first time media reports have come of their presence in the Pakistan's tribal belt which is suspected to be the hideout of top al-Qaeda and Taliban leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 05/20/2009
- TrnsNtnl I'm a Fan of TrnsNtnl 2 fans permalink

More regular citizens went to camps and became extremists than we would like to talk about or deal with openly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 05/29/2009

The former unreformed legislator, a History professor lacks of knowledge and affirms that some historians are just charlatans. The neo-cons use the ignorance and or apathy of the American people to inject all kind of fear mongering for he knows well it will be repeated as a Gospel. How far are these liers, mentally disturbed are willing to go in order to instigate hate and make us believe we are full of good intentions and whatever wrong we are doing is because we, as the jewish are the chosen ones and therefore, given the divine aunthority to do as we please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 05/20/2009
- Emerald1943 I'm a Fan of Emerald1943 263 fans permalink
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Newt thinks he can win the White House by stoking up the base who hate anyone who is not white or "christian". Why else would he make these comments, not necessarily backed up by the facts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Because our government know that the Chinese Uighurs are fighting with Al Q and the Taliban today in the Swat Valley in Pakistan.

The issue is, is terrorism against China supported by the US, or not?

http://diggchina.blogspot.com/2009/02/is-china-target-of-global-sponsered.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 05/21/2009
- dutch163 I'm a Fan of dutch163 31 fans permalink
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why is it our problem?

because "we" put them there...not me of course...someone who hijacked my country for 8 yrs

I wish they had not been put there, but now "we" are responsible...

let them go, send a few to each Fed prison, try them....be done with this

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 05/20/2009
- Emerald1943 I'm a Fan of Emerald1943 263 fans permalink
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Agreed, but if the Bush administration cleared them for release, why should they be sent to a Federal prison and held for trial? If they are innocent, then we should welcome them and help them to re-unite with their families....yes, here in the US if necessary.

We know good and well that if the Bushies thought for one minute that these guys were dangerous, they would NEVER have cleared them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 05/20/2009

The neo-cons always have created a boogey man, Reagan convinced us that we need to be aware because we have anemies everywhere, did he ever discussed why? does NEW..t forget that Bush and Co. have generated a step by step manual on creating terorists thus porpusely giving the US an excuse to invade and sacrifice people and treasure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 05/20/2009
- golibs I'm a Fan of golibs 2 fans permalink

Send them to San Fran they will fit right in no one will notice. the politicians in cali have no clue what they are doing, and the either do the ones from cali?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 05/20/2009
- GinnyW I'm a Fan of GinnyW 11 fans permalink

Wait a minute! Wait just one minute! Why should the Uighers go to any other country than America?? We bought them, so we should get to keep them!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Send them back to China? Why do you think they were in Tora Bora?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 05/20/2009
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"Gingrich has been joined by Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.) and Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) in objecting to the Uighurs' relocation to the United States. Those objections are weighing on the administration.

Wolf spokesman Dan Scandling noted that Wolf is a champion of the Uighur cause and fought for the release of Kadeer from a Chinese prison. But he isn't convinced of their innocence. "We have had several conversations with people in the intelligence community who have told us otherwise," said Scandling. Wolf represents Langley, Va., where the CIA is headquartered."

Yeah, right; conversations with the CIA. Like they never get anything wrong. Weren't they the people who said the Bay of Pigs invasion would be a success because the Cuban peasants would rise up and join us in ousting Castro?

The CIA (which used to be run by Dubbya's daddy) may be professionals at their craft, but they're also human, and as prone to wishful thinking as any politician. Often they see what they want to see, which explains why their "intelligence" is seldom intelligent.

The worst part of the Uighur story is that we could have cultivated them as Islamic allies by championing their cause, but the Grand Old "All About the Benjamins" Party doesn't want to lose China as a trading partner. In this case, "intelligence" means we'll call the Uighurs terrorists as long as Beijing says they're terrorists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Well, they were training in Al Q terror camps in Tora Bora for a reason, no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 05/20/2009
- sc300nc I'm a Fan of sc300nc 48 fans permalink

We should release them to the first country that offers to take them. Where are all the offers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 05/20/2009
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 122 fans permalink
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We are responsible ,we captured them!

How you will like in your next vacation some country grab you from the street,
fly you to some place,incarcerated you years,no trail,no charges and later dump you anywhere on earth?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 05/20/2009
- golibs I'm a Fan of golibs 2 fans permalink

We captured them on the battlefield trying to kill our soldiers?You loony lefties may dislike all the good men and women that risk their lives every day to protect us but who else is going to protect you. Perez Hilton, try having a pillow fight with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 05/20/2009
- dems08 I'm a Fan of dems08 163 fans permalink
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"He should talk to our attorneys if he's curious about our background," Abbas relates."

They are assuming Newt is a normal person. Newt is not curious about them, he just uses them for his crazy talk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 05/20/2009
- Gusto2 I'm a Fan of Gusto2 3 fans permalink

Newt is just like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and Glen Beck; they all just spout words and accusations without any proof. They all claim that they are not journalist, but when one label them as "entertainers" then they also get mad. These folks always make accusations and claims without any FACTS. And the media allows them to continue to do this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 05/20/2009

Strange that all the troll comments have no humanity,no empathy,just kick'em to the curb cause they're not American.Ignorance without boundaries and to think we had people like this running our country for eight years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 05/20/2009
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I like the Uighurs a heckuva a lot more than the arrogant American tr0ll types.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 05/20/2009
- gnostic19 I'm a Fan of gnostic19 2 fans permalink

i'll house an Uighur! Just leave my tv alone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 05/20/2009
- golibs I'm a Fan of golibs 2 fans permalink

So you hate america to?You are welcome to leave any time you want.Iran is looking for some traitors like you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 05/20/2009
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 63 fans permalink

Dear Newt, it is OUR problem since we gathered them up and threw them in jail and then denied them
due progress!!!! How can you even say this is not our problem after what we have done to them.
What right do we have just to round up people like cattle in order for us to make our case, a fictititious one at that. They are Chinese for crying out loud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 05/20/2009
- golibs I'm a Fan of golibs 2 fans permalink

What right do we have to round people up are you kidding,I guess you never heard of RENDITION,THAT WAS BILL CLINTON FORM OF LEGAL TORTURE I hope your stupidity is not contagious

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 05/20/2009
- writerroz I'm a Fan of writerroz 14 fans permalink
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It's your Limbaugh kind of stupidity that is dangerous. It is only contageous to other idiots who listen to and who are ignorant enough to believe Limbaugh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 05/20/2009
- Gusto2 I'm a Fan of Gusto2 3 fans permalink

Golibs, it is your ignorance that is sstupidity. When you round anyone up for any crime, they should be tried in a court of law. If you round them up, it is because you claim you have a reason to do so and that person should have the right to defense and prove their innocence. But, you are still living the days of slavery and bigotry. You think that only white(Europeans) have a right to a fair trial. If your theory is correct; Why was the so-called "American Taliban" given a day in court and send to an "American Prison".?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 05/20/2009
- Loompa I'm a Fan of Loompa 5 fans permalink

and we listen to what chinese jailbirds have to say?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 05/20/2009
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And they're jailbirds because.... ???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Because they were training in Al Q terror camps in Tora Bora.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 05/20/2009
- seal62 I'm a Fan of seal62 8 fans permalink

We should...Do you listen to dick cheney?the newt?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 05/20/2009
- Jazzier I'm a Fan of Jazzier 2 fans permalink

You bet I do.....they're a hell of a lot smarter and experienced than the present inexperienced know-it-all socialist that you elected!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 05/21/2009
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How much research did you do on the subject before making that comment?

I thought so...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 05/20/2009
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The right's research consists of turning on AM radio...

Remember the guy at the pizza parlor that said he learned more from Rush than in school? LMAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 05/20/2009
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yoo need to learn "mandarim" to understand. But you do not understand English, do you???

THEY ARE PICK UP BY HUNTMENS AND THAN THEY SOLD THEN FOR DOLARS TO U.S.A.

WHAT HTEY HAVE DONE AGAINST usa..... NOOOOOTHING !!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!

WHATS HAPEN WITH THE PEOPLE IN AMERICA,

ARE YOU ALL IDIOTS AND IGNORANTS???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 05/20/2009
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NO we are not all idiots...

But we sure do have a lot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 05/20/2009
- Harrier I'm a Fan of Harrier 10 fans permalink

Newt can't stand it he's had a fork in him for over a decade. Now that the party is sideways, he's trying to come back. But he tries to revise history in a way that makes no sense. For a history professor, not the brightest bulb. Makes you wonder what's wrong with him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 AM on 05/20/2009
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Awful what we've done to these people--they should get a nice life of leisure on a ranch in Crawford, TX.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 AM on 05/20/2009
- dems08 I'm a Fan of dems08 163 fans permalink
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or a nice gated community in... who has GW graced with his presence - Houston or Dallas?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 05/20/2009
- Maykat I'm a Fan of Maykat 2 fans permalink
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I hear there's a lot of brush in Crawford that needs cutting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 05/20/2009
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