Senate Votes To Block Funds For Guantanamo Closure

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DAVID ESPO | May 20, 2009 08:34 PM EST | AP

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A security agent talks into his microphone as FBI Director Robert Mueller chats with House Judiciary Committee member Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, May 20, 2009, prior to Mueller testifying before the committee. (AP Photo/Harry Hamburg)

WASHINGTON — In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any detainees to facilities in the United States.

Democrats lined up with Republicans in the 90-6 vote that came on the heels of a similar move a week ago in the House, underscoring widespread apprehension among Obama's congressional allies over voters' strong feelings about bringing detainees to the U.S. from the prison in Cuba.

The president readied a speech for Thursday morning on the U.S. fight against terrorism, at a time when liberals have chafed at some of his decisions.

In spite of lawmakers' concerns, the Obama administration plans to send a top al-Qaida suspect held at Guantanamo Bay to New York to stand trial for the deadly 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa, an administration official told The Associated Press on Wednesday. The suspect, Ahmed Ghailani, would be the first Guantanamo detainee brought to the U.S. and the first to face trial in a civilian criminal court.

Obama has vowed to close the prison by January 2010, and the Senate's vote was not the final word on the matter. It will be next month at the earliest before Congress completes work on the legislation, giving the White House time pursue a compromise that would allow the president to fulfill his pledge.

But Obama's maneuvering room was further constrained during the day when FBI Director Robert Mueller told a congressional panel that he had concerns about bringing Guantanamo Bay detainees to prisons in the United States. Among the risks is "the potential for individuals undertaking attacks in the United States," said Mueller, who was appointed by President George W. Bush in 2001 and is serving a 10-year fixed term in office.

Additionally, U.S. District Judge John Bates ruled this week that some prisoners _ but not all _ can be held indefinitely at Guantanamo without being charged, thus increasing the pressure on the administration to develop a plan for the men held there.

After the Senate vote, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said, "The president understands that his most important job is to keep the American people safe and that he is not going to make any decision or any judgment that imperils the safety of the American people."

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He added Obama has not yet decided where some of the detainees will be sent. A presidential commission is studying the issue.

There was no suspense in the moments leading to the Senate vote, although Democrats maneuvered to take political credit for denying Obama funds he sought to close the prison. They hoped to negate weeks of Republican warnings about the danger involved.

Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, chairman of the Appropriations Committee, favors closing Guantanamo, and the legislation his panel originally sent to the floor provided money for that purpose once the administration submitted a plan for the shutdown.

In changing course and seeking to delete the funds, he said, "The fact that the administration has not offered a workable plan at this point made that decision rather easy."

All six opponents of the proposal were Democrats: Sens. Dick Durbin of Illinois, Tom Harkin of Iowa, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Carl Levin of Michigan, and Jack Reed and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island.

The administration asked for $80 million to close the facility. Obama promised repeatedly as a presidential candidate to shut down the prison, calling it a blot on the international image of the United States.

Even in voting to deny him the funds, Obama's Democratic allies insisted the president was fundamentally correct.

"Guantanamo is used by al-Qaida as a symbol of American abuse of Muslims and is fanning the flames of anti-Americanism around the world," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California.

And Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who had said on Tuesday he opposed allowing detainees to be transferred to U.S. prisons, signaled he might change his mind on that point. "If the administration proposes a plan that recommends the transfer of some detainees to American prisons, he will evaluate it carefully and make a judgment at that time," said spokesman Jim Manley.

The lopsided vote was a victory for the Senate Republicans, who have recently turned their attention to Obama's policies on foreign policy and terrorism after failing to make headway in criticizing his economic program.

Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has delivered numerous speeches in recent weeks raising pointed questions about Obama's plans to close the prison without first explaining where the men held there would be sent. "For months, we have been saying what Senate Democrats now acknowledge: that because the administration has no plan for what to do with the 240 detainees at Guantanamo, it would be irresponsible and dangerous for the Senate to appropriate the money to close it," McConnell said shortly before the vote.

The Republican leader also won approval for a separate terror-related provision later in the day. On a vote of 92-3, the Senate agreed to require the administration, before releasing any detainee, to inform Congress of the likelihood that he would return to terrorism. It also would report on any effort al-Qaida may be making to recruit detainees once they're released from U.S. custody.

Obama came to office pledging a dramatic change in George W. Bush's terrorism policy. In the months since, he has woven an uncertain course, occasionally angering liberals.

He first backed the cancellation of military tribunals for prisoners, then announced he wanted them resumed with greater legal protections for the accused. Last week, he reversed course on another issue, deciding to appeal a court-ordered release of prisoner-abuse photos taken at Abu Ghraib in Iraq.

Several Republicans praised Obama for those very steps.

"I commend him for being very willing to change his opinion in light of having access to the intelligence he didn't have access to" as a candidate, said Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah.

FBI Director Mueller made his comments before the House Judiciary Committee.

Prodded by Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., to agree that Guantanamo detainees could be kept safely in maximum security prisoners in the United States, Mueller declined. He noted that in some instances gang leaders have run their gangs from inside prisons.

If Reid has appeared equivocal on the possible transfer of prisoners, Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the second-in-command among Democrats, pointed out that no one has ever escaped from a federal "supermax" prison and that 347 convicted terrorists are among those held in them.

That drew some support from Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. "The idea that we cannot find a place to securely house 250-plus detainees within the United States is not rational," he said.

Not all Republicans were thinking along the same lines.

"No good purpose is served by allowing known terrorists, who trained at terrorist training camps, to come to the U.S. and live among us," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas. "Guantanamo Bay was never meant to be an Ellis Island."

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Associated Press writers Devlin Barrett, Nedra Pickler and Andrew Taylor contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid th...
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- research I'm a Fan of research 236 fans permalink

The Kucinich Half the House dems are good people.

Vote out the rest of the DLC DINOS in 2010.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 05/22/2009

Senate and House Dems are Bush-Repub­lican-coll­aborators on Iraq war, torture and now GITMO - a case of group-think for these cowards and traitors!!!

I am requesting my fellow liberals to call their democratic representative and senators and ask them to refund their campaign contributions since they are siding with Cheney against Obama.

We need to call these undermining democrats what they are and that is traitors and cowards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 05/21/2009
- TrueThis I'm a Fan of TrueThis 30 fans permalink

Harry Reid need to be voted out of congress. This is only fear baiting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 05/20/2009
- hapiday I'm a Fan of hapiday 93 fans permalink
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For those people who are asking why Gitmo needs to close.

Bush and McCain was calling for Gitmo to close.

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article674815.ece

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 05/20/2009
- Ivar I'm a Fan of Ivar 2 fans permalink

happiday: I think you are full of bull.Gitmo was born under the Bush administration, and continued to live till this day. I am ashamed of our democratic congress that will not close it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 05/21/2009

Our justice system should be equipped to handle these detainees. On the other hand, it is understandable that the majority of Congress do not back Obama without a legitimate plan.

I hate the mess that Obama is in. Gitmo should be closed, but this issue is an example of why Obama should not have campaigned on and can not continue to speak in absolute terms. I'm sick of hearing the phrase "broken promises."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 05/20/2009
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 44 fans permalink
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they should have come up with one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 05/21/2009
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

If we can't close Gitmo, the chances of torture investigations going forward increase exponentially. That's bad for Cheney and Rumsfeld who seem to have been left by the herd to deal with the aftermath. It's also not good for Clinton and Gore who will have to explain their use of rendition and their tacit use of torture to obtain information. This is a no win deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 05/20/2009
- rblaquinta I'm a Fan of rblaquinta 18 fans permalink

This is such a joke....there are thousands of terrorists in our prisons..g­angbangers­, people that have no value for humane life whatsoever. Oh and by the way most of this crazies are home grown. I have a lot more fear of them LIVING NEXT DOOR TO ME.... then a 30's muslim who doesn't even own a pair of sandals...give me a break...I cannot believe people are that stupd...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 05/20/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 69 fans permalink
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What is wrong with Gitmo? Why can't anybody answer that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 05/20/2009
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

Detainees were tortured there. War crimes were committed there. AQ uses it as a recruiting vehicle. It needs to be closed and bull dozed to eliminate the evidence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 05/20/2009
- najablah I'm a Fan of najablah 5 fans permalink

What type of trials will the detainees get at Gitmo? Military tribunals (see kangaroo courts). Apparently, you have no problem with trying and convicting people based on hearsay and rumors. A good number of people in Gitmo are there because the U.S. offered bounties to people who would turn in their neighbors for money. You're ok with all of this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 05/21/2009

If you feel it's such a joke then get your friends together and protest in the streets. Let the government know that you want them in your town. Let everyone know that you have to fear having them there since our own people are the real crazies. What are you doing wasting your time here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 05/20/2009

For those that want Gitmo closed all you have to do is take it to the streets. Show your support for it. Call you local reps and let them know that you want these people in your local jails. If you want them out of there so bad then tell them how you welcome these people in your local jails and that you are not afraid of any repercussions from it. You are brave enough to have them in recruiting our own people within our jail system. Stand up and show your support for your fight Don’t sit here wasting your fingers away typing get out, make banners and signs welcoming those individuals into your town. Just let me know where you live so I can move.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 05/20/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 69 fans permalink
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Tough couple of weeks for rabid liberals ...

- Obama OKs military tribunals
- Obama refuses to release interrogation photos
- Obama unleashes DCI Panetta to rebuke a lying Madame Speaker
- Reid refuses to fund Gitmo closure
- US Federal Appeals Court says "missing" Bush e-mails not to be made public
- Federal Judge says US can hold certain detainees in Gitmo indefinately without trial
- Senate votes overwhelmingly to forbid Gitmo detainee relocation to US soil

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 05/20/2009

FISA, Patriot Act, on and on; the Bush policies are kept. Where's the cries about a "shredded" constitution? Shows that all the screaming of the last eight years was pure partisan politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 05/20/2009
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Screw it all, let just armegaddon come by because animals treat each other better than how the US treats prisoners of wars, it almost makes me puke that we talk about justice and fairness when we catch random people (some of whom are guilty and some are not) and just put them in a fu*in hole for as long as we want, democracy at work people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 05/20/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 69 fans permalink
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How many American prisoners does the enemy currently hold? Oh, that's right, zero. They've all been mutilated and murdered.

... idiot

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 05/20/2009
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 44 fans permalink
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and your proof.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 05/21/2009
- hapiday I'm a Fan of hapiday 93 fans permalink
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McCain was for closing Gitmo and several Dems were for it as well. However, the closer it gets to it actually being done people have second thoughts. I do agree there has to be a plan for it's closure. However, I do think these Senators are practicing some cowardice in their explanations for not closing Gitmo. It really does get tiring watching President Obama get hammered when he's trying to clean up someone else mess.

President Obama in my opinion is probably the only president in history that went into the presidency not realizing just how ruthless and gutless America can be. Congress Dem and Repubs represent the interest of America, period. It's sad because his hands are tied on so many things. The only mistake President Obama and his team has made, is that they marketed the man. Which is dan.gerous because he "President Obama" has to go through a system to get anything done. He can't do it alone. The whole of several branches of the government is to prevent the president from becoming a dict.ator. It nearly happened with the Bush administration, they will never allow a b lack man to have that much power. Gitmo will close...because President Obama is a thinker and will not rest until it's done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 05/20/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 69 fans permalink
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You say: " It really does get tiring watching President Obama get hammered when he's trying to clean up someone else mess."

What mess? Bush had the correct solution. Gitmo. Liberals demonized it, Obama vowed to close it, and now we're stuck.

NOW its a mess ... for sure !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 05/20/2009

You mean Obama didn't know what he was getting into? He didn't have enough experience to realize what was at stake being President?
Imagine that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 05/20/2009
- dollyfedup I'm a Fan of dollyfedup 4 fans permalink

Yes that's true! You see the republicans are trying to keep Michael Steele in his place. They don't want to give him power over their money.

I am tired of watching the media attack Pres. Obama over everything from torture to this don't ask don't tell. "Rome was not built in a day" and he can't accomplish everything for everyone in 100 days like Rachel Maddow wishes he would.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 05/20/2009
- Savojah I'm a Fan of Savojah 2 fans permalink

I'm going to be a conspiracy theorist here, but I think Obama may have had his Dems in Congress jump on the sword for him on this one. Closing Gitmo sounded great, but the reality of it was something he didn't realize. Other countries were not willing to take these prisoners, and putting these guys in US jails just seems problematic. One of his central themes as a candidate, this would of been a clear flip flop on Obama, and I think that everyone realize that if they wanted to have a full 8 years, this was one thing that he couldn't publicly flip flop on. So they took away the money, and now Obama doesn't have to be held accountable on Gitmo.

With that, said, I thnk that's crap that this is happening. Because that's what Obama said he was going to do. But at the same time, that was one of the things he promised that he was going to do that I wasn't too sure on. Yes, Gitmo isn't a pleasant place, but this takes alot of time to close an institution like Gitmo. I think that was naive of him to think it would be easy to shut that place down. I think it should be shut down, but I'm sure when he was able to see all data that only has presidential clearance, it just couldn't be done in the time frame he promised. This could be a ploy to buy some time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Gitmo is not the only thing that Al Q uses to recruit. They use anti-communism as well. In the past the totally unaware US bought into that, and that is how Osama got the CIA tactics manual, we gave it to him in Afghanstan, so he could defeat communism for us. Now he wants to defeat "capitalism.

But what it is really all about is replacing those states that have "seperation of church and state" with Sharia Law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 05/20/2009
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

See everyone you were RIGHT all along. Obama does NOT want to Close Gitmo.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 05/20/2009
- demrepub I'm a Fan of demrepub 28 fans permalink
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Hmm guess the people back home are speaking loud and clearly to their representatives in Washington and it must be a much different message than that being heard here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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You are so right!, too many "comments pending approval" never make it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 05/20/2009
- adamsmith3 I'm a Fan of adamsmith3 17 fans permalink

That's why you don't declare a promise about a situation in which you have no plan for. I hope Guantanamo will close by next January as well, but if it doesn't work out, it will make Obama's bold first-day pronouncement look a bit premature and unplanned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 05/20/2009

Serious question...Do you have any other concerns regarding premature and unplanned policies that Obama has announced? How about the Car Companies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 05/20/2009
- dollyfedup I'm a Fan of dollyfedup 4 fans permalink

The problem with Pres. Obama is he made too many promises and tries to be too perfect. I wish he would stop trying to be perfect and stop trying to please everyone. He doesn't need to meet with everyone who disagrees with him, then they will feel they have some sort of power over him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 05/20/2009
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