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Civil Libertarian Rips Obama's Speech: All Bells And Whistles

First Posted: 06/21/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:25 PM ET

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Obama's lengthy and detailed national security address was designed, in part, to tamp down criticism that his administration was abandoning core promises and constitutional principles. But while early reviews of the president's speech among members of the press were adulatory, the people Obama most needed to placate were decidedly unimpressed.

"Obviously, he is a very effective speaker, but of course we have major problems with what he is doing," said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights. "He wraps himself in the Constitution, talks about American values and then proceeds to violate them."

In an interview with the Huffington Post shortly after Obama concluded his remarks at the National Archives, Ratner expressed disappointment and even a tinge of anger at the approach the president had outlined on detainee policy, military tribunals, and even accountability.

He praised Obama for wanting to close Guantanamo Bay, but called his overall position on detaining and trying suspected terrorists "a road to perdition," primarily because of the use of military commissions. "Military commissions are used when you want an easy way to convict people," he said. "You write up new rules after the fact. That's what military commissions represent. His history was just flawed. They were not used very often. They are used on the battlefield or shortly thereafter in a real war. "

Even more troubling for Ratner, however, was the notion of preventive detention -- which he called "the real road to hell," and compared to something from the movie Minority Report. "[Obama] said some people are just too dangerous to let go and that we have to keep them," said Ratner. "Though we'd do it differently then Bush. We will set up rules. Well no matter how you repackage Guantanamo, with all kinds of rules on top of it -- that is what he is doing, he is re-wrapping a preventive detention scheme and giving it some more due process. In the end, it still comes down to holding people -- much like Minority Report or pre-crime stuff -- for being dangerous, and that is not something that I think is constitutional or this country should be engaged in."

On Obama's oft-repeated preference to not set up an investigative commission to look at the authorization of torture, Ratner was equally biting. "We think a future without torture is one in which those who engage in torture are held accountable," he said. "And what [Obama] has said so far on this issue and what he said today was, 'Well, the Justice Department will do what it needs to.' We need a special prosecutor, there is no issue about it. When Cheney can get on the air and say, 'I waterboarded and would do it again,' you know you have a problem because the next administration can go back to what Cheney did."

Similarly, on the Obama administration's decision to oppose the release of photos showing detainee abuse, Ratner called the president to task for undermining his own claim to transparency: "I always believe that democracy dies behind closed doors, and the fact that these photos are being hidden right now -- if anything, it makes people think that there is a lot being hidden right now and that there is much more to this."

Overall, it was not the type of review that Obama wanted following his nearly hour-long speech. The president addressed all of the aforementioned topics, framing them in a way that positioned his administration as dually committed to security and the rule of law. Unlike his predecessor, Obama proclaimed, he wanted to set up a framework that satisfied both principles and concerns. For Ratner, however, the speech was mostly bells and whistles, designed to cover up policies that only moderately improve upon those of the Bush years.

"What is unfortunately effective about Obama is that he is able to use a setting like the National Archives, talk about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and all that, get people to sincerely believe he is [committed to these principles] and then go ahead and in my view undercut the core aspects of those documents," he said.

Below are a few key portions of Obama's speech.


On Bush Policies
Unfortunately, faced with an uncertain threat, our government made a series of hasty decisions. And I believe that those decisions were motivated by a sincere desire to protect the American people. But I also believe that - too often - our government made decisions based upon fear rather than foresight, and all too often trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions. Instead of strategically applying our power and our principles, we too often set those principles aside as luxuries that we could no longer afford. And in this season of fear, too many of us - Democrats and Republicans; politicians, journalists and citizens - fell silent.


On Torture
I know some have argued that brutal methods like water-boarding were necessary to keep us safe. I could not disagree more. As Commander-in-Chief, I see the intelligence, I bear responsibility for keeping this country safe, and I reject the assertion that these are the most effective means of interrogation. What's more, they undermine the rule of law. They alienate us in the world. They serve as a recruitment tool for terrorists, and increase the will of our enemies to fight us, while decreasing the will of others to work with America. They risk the lives of our troops by making it less likely that others will surrender to them in battle, and more likely that Americans will be mistreated if they are captured. In short, they did not advance our war and counter-terrorism efforts - they undermined them, and that is why I ended them once and for all.

On Detainee Photos Already Released
Several weeks ago, as part of an ongoing court case, I released memos issued by the previous Administration's Office of Legal Counsel. I did not do this because I disagreed with the enhanced interrogation techniques that those memos authorized, or because I reject their legal rationale - although I do on both counts. I released the memos because the existence of that approach to interrogation was already widely known, the Bush Administration had acknowledged its existence, and I had already banned those methods. The argument that somehow by releasing those memos, we are providing terrorists with information about how they will be interrogated is unfounded - we will not be interrogating terrorists using that approach, because that approach is now prohibited.

On Investigating Bush
I have opposed the creation of such a Commission because I believe that our existing democratic institutions are strong enough to deliver accountability. The Congress can review abuses of our values, and there are ongoing inquiries by the Congress into matters like enhanced interrogation techniques. The Department of Justice and our courts can work through and punish any violations of our laws.

On Media and Washington Feeding the Fire
I understand that it is no secret that there is a tendency in Washington to spend our time pointing fingers at one another. And our media culture feeds the impulses that lead to a good fight. Nothing will contribute more to that than an extended re-litigation of the last eight years. Already, we have seen how that kind of effort only leads those in Washington to different sides laying blame, and can distract us from focusing our time, our effort, and our politics on the challenges of the future.

On Guantanamo
There is also no question that Guantanamo set back the moral authority that is America's strongest currency in the world. Instead of building a durable framework for the struggle against al Qaeda that drew upon our deeply held values and traditions, our government was defending positions that undermined the rule of law. Indeed, part of the rationale for establishing Guantanamo in the first place was the misplaced notion that a prison there would be beyond the law - a proposition that the Supreme Court soundly rejected. Meanwhile, instead of serving as a tool to counter-terrorism, Guantanamo became a symbol that helped al Qaeda recruit terrorists to its cause. Indeed, the existence of Guantanamo likely created more terrorists around the world than it ever detained.

On Military Commissions
Instead of using the flawed Commissions of the last seven years, my Administration is bringing our Commissions in line with the rule of law. The rule will no longer permit us to use as evidence statements that have been obtained using cruel, inhuman, or degrading interrogation methods. We will no longer place the burden to prove that hearsay is unreliable on the opponent of the hearsay. And we will give detainees greater latitude in selecting their own counsel, and more protections if they refuse to testify. These reforms - among others - will make our Military Commissions a more credible and effective means of administering justice, and I will work with Congress and legal authorities across the political spectrum on legislation to ensure that these Commissions are fair, legitimate, and effective.


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Obama's lengthy and detailed national security address was designed, in part, to tamp down criticism that his administration was abandoning core promises and constitutional principles. But while early...
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06:51 PM on 05/22/2009
Never in my memory have Jonathan Swift's words, "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." been more true. The President is being lambasted by both left and right wing dunces because of his thoughtful, pragmatic, non-ideological approach to doing his job.
06:30 AM on 05/26/2009
"his thoughtful, pragmatic, non-ideological approach to doing his job."

Sorry, continuing and even expanding the violations of the constitution under Bush does not qualify as thoughtful or pragmatic in my book. If this is a country of laws, but we disregard those laws when it is inconvenient then who are we? Obama seems to be saying "trust me" to not abuse these powers. Even if we trust him, the precedent he is establishing is one of the presidency (and the senate and house) being above the law which will be a disaster if we ever get someone in office who is less than trustworthy.

Obama said: "Nothing will contribute more to that than an extended re-litigation of the last eight years."

Don't we have to litigate before we can re-litigate?
01:07 PM on 05/22/2009
Ratner provides evidence that the so called alterative party "Libertarians" are just republicans who smoke pot, otherwise they represent another right wing anti Bill of Rights group, not a party of Freedom.
If there is no trial there is no justice, no justice no America. Prove the detainees of terrorism or let them go. We are a country of Civil Law that insured Freedom, suince the Bush,Cheney and the republican party of no has tried to desmantle the Constitution and Bill of Rights, this is evident by their blocking the new Surpreme court nominee.
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05:31 PM on 05/22/2009
First off, there are plenty of republicans who vap0rize p0t... And the Libertarians are illegitimate because they are non-interventionist. You can't pull up the draw-bridges and expect the world to get along in harmony. We are the global policemen. We have been since ww2.

Most republicans are libertarian (small L) philosophically.

And how does a philosophical libertarian be anti Bill of Rights? pray tell, silly boy.

And I got news for ya... Obama will do nothing different with these detainees than your punching bag Bush did. Obama may rephrase things and wave his hands around, but fundamentally things will essentially be the same. I wonder if you'll be so vocal with your criticism at Obama.

I doubt it, Greg.
07:21 AM on 05/26/2009
Do you really think that we can afford to be the global police?
The cost in $ and in resentment against us is far too high to be sustainable. Why not actually support the UN which actually has policing as part of its mandate (unlike our own constitution) rather than the US trying to be the crazy neighbor vigilante to the world?
12:03 PM on 05/22/2009
I told all my friends who were voting for Obama that he would do this. I knew it but they were too stupid to see through his "change" rhetoric. I voted for Ron Paul, he would have made these guys accountable.
12:48 PM on 05/22/2009
Ron Paul would destroy this country. He's only worshiped by the lunatic right wing fring who cling to the fantasy that Libertarianism is a viable form of governance in a 21st Century advanced civilization
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01:11 PM on 05/22/2009
Ron Paul was never going to win the election! Your vote was wasted! How were you any less stupid than your friends?
10:37 AM on 05/22/2009
Extremely disappointing. You best honor our international treaties, President Obama. Eric Holder needs to start investigations. NOW.
10:07 AM on 05/22/2009
I'm so tired of the negative stance from the left that President Obama is not doing what they want and how they want it, as well as the right. This is not a game of who can score the most ideological points at any given time. IMO, it is a distraction to be constantly harping on trying to make President Obama the lead player on these issues, while ignoring the roles of others in our democracy. I may be wrong, but I thought there was a problem the last go around with one in the role of a "leader" making his role all encompassing and only listening, hearing and following one voice without use of judgment and practicality, instead of taking everything into consideration. The doors are still open to bring accountability through Congress doing hearings and investigations, as well as the DOJ. As someone mentioned elsewhere, many are looking for instant gratification. The way some come across, you'd think that we were in the last days of this administration, instead of the beginning. Everything cannot and will not be resolved instantaneously, especially when so many are still on the wrong page or have placed their issues as high priority looking for complete resolve now. IMO, the same expect giant steps to be taken, when baby steps are needed to accomplish the overall goals, especially when there are many layers of wrong doings to work through in so many areas that impact another.
11:02 AM on 05/22/2009
I feel so bad about the fact that you are tired of what you call the negative stance from the left.

Does it ever occur to you that a lot of people are tired too?
People are tired of the fact that the United States of America has regressed into a nation that tortures thousands of its illegally captured prisoners, holds them without trials for years and then lies about it.

People tired of this ugliness though they elected a new President who would stop it, change it and bring the perpetrators of the worst crime spree in our nations history to justice.

Now they dare to criticize, protest and call BS on the cover up of these crimes and you are tired.
Go take a nap.

Giant steps or baby steps in the right direction would be good. Most of the steps of Obama are in the wrong pro torture pro Bush direction.
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09:32 AM on 05/22/2009
WE Liberals have been had. Obama is just like a Bill Clinton, bought and paid for by BIG Buisness. Both parties must go. I see no change at all.
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deepintheheartoftejas
Middle o/t Road = Yellow stripes & dead armadillos
09:56 AM on 05/22/2009
Hey, Bill Clinton was the best republican president this country has ever had!
10:38 AM on 05/22/2009
"Neocon-Lite" I believe the kidz are saying nowadays.
09:31 AM on 05/22/2009
Wow!

There is an apparent screaming lack of knowledge of our history.

Saying one thing and doing another is a fine tradition in this country.

We preach the highest ideals and then go out and do the most base things - secure in the knowledge that the Divinity has personally chosen us to do His work on this planet.

We didn't torture until Former President Pan goes the myth. The reality is different. School of the Americas since 1947. Project Artichoke. Psychic driving/McGill university? Vermont State Hospital experiments? And on and on. (Alfred McCoy's book anyone? Jennifer Harbury's?, Tim Weiner's)

We also didn't exploit black people. Actually, slavery was a humanitarian endeavor undertaken by good Christians to rescue Africans from miserable conditions in their homeland. We brought them over to the US in rather comfortable circumstances - the then equivalent of Carnival Cruise, gave them high paying jobs and treated them with respect. And some very good Christians (including some of our earliest statesmen) even shared their beds with these folk. - well mostly the women, but charity is charity. They didn't call them "Founding Fathers" just for their political work.
09:20 AM on 05/22/2009
Despise what the gop have done over the last 30 years, decimating of the Constitution, Civil and Human Rights, preventing Equal Rights, committing Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes.

Obama is becoming Criminally wrong, he should consider changing his position and mind.
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Whinger
I'm Just Me!
09:18 AM on 05/22/2009
Words are only words, by his actions or the lack of actions shall his integrity be judged!
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Helzapoppin
Don't Piss Down My Back And Tell Me It's Raining.
09:18 AM on 05/22/2009
Justice and Liberty are NOT policy issues.
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Okieborn
Equal Rights For All !
09:05 AM on 05/22/2009
I listened to President Obamas Speech and If I am not Mistaken !!!
It sounded exactly like Bush and his rhetoric !!!
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Kia Kaha
08:27 AM on 05/22/2009
Many of the complainers here say they voted for Obama, I find that difficult to believe. In fact I would go so far as to say I doubt it. If you had an understanding of Obama then you would consider that unlike the previous President he understands two important P's. Pragmatism and patience. It is a pity that some of you do not extend to the President a little of the latter. Fools rush in.

It is a constant failing of American culture that in the age of 'now' all results must be instantaneous. A middle eastern friend of mine once said when we were discussing the thinking of terrorists...."Their concept of time is different...that is the strength of the terrorist, one day 10 years, it makes no difference, they wait"
08:49 AM on 05/22/2009
Believe it. I voted for Obama. He's proving to be lesser of two evils, but an evil nonetheless. I agree that he's spineless and is just following Bush's policies because he doesn't have the courage to do the right thing where civil liberties are concerned.

The upshot here is that Obama is wiping his rear end with the Constitution the same way Bush and Cheney did. Perhaps it is genetic ... Obama and Cheney are cousins, right?
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10:37 AM on 05/22/2009
RainDance = they didn't vote for Obama. They are trolls. This is their game. Ignore them
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RRoadrunner
Living in a 'Pro-ignorant culture'
08:25 AM on 05/22/2009
Now that I’ve had sometime to digest all of the activity regarding Guantanamo and the torture photos I’ve come to appreciate what the pres appears to be doing. He is not a stupid man. The republicans have thrown the book at him and he hasn’t done a thing yet. With all the criticism behind him he is now free to defend his position and move forward with his plans for Guantanamo and the torture photos. With a little help from his friends (congress) he was able to delay the inevitable closure of Guantanamo and exposed the republican lies. The congress just passed a supplemental bill so no harm was done by denying him funds to close GITMO. The funds should be in place by the fall for the closure and he’s moved a few people out of GITMO into the US for trials with no criticism. Not too shabby if you ask me.
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OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
08:15 AM on 05/22/2009
Obama is good with glittering generalities especially appeals to American exceptionalism and religious faith.

He often provides good analyses and plans for action.

His comments and plans for dealing with political conflicts - especially violent assymetric conflicts (terrorism) - are filled with deceit and depraved thinking.

It appears that President Obama has decided to conceal and defend illegal and extralegal government activities based on a rational that such behaviors have been going on for decades. It probably makes it harder for him to think clearly on this issue that the head of his DOD, Robert Gates, has quite likely been active in many of these illegal and extralegal activities.

It is too bad.
07:54 AM on 05/22/2009
I voted for this guy and all I can say is he has nice posturing for a man without a spine. Mr Obama needs to do the right thing. So far, he has not. Let's just give everybody a free pass (except war prisoners) seems to be his bipartisan approach. Not holding people personally accountable for their actions, whether politically, constitutionally, militarily, financially, etc., means listen for the music playing as the ship sinks into the ocean. We either hold people accountable or we fail as a nation by not breaking the unjust cycle. Unfortunately our government is just one big posturing filibustered ponzi scheme full of courrupt and collusive bought and paid for people. This doesn't give Mr Obama much of a chance, hence his spineless posturing. We set a really poor example for our children to bear witness to these days. And if we are not going to release war prisoners then why don't we just kill them? Would that be less just than not giving them a fair trial? How much more hypocritical can we be? I thought Mr Obama would bring the most change because he understood constitutional law. Apparently he is following the new constituional law set forth by Mr Bush.I
08:15 AM on 05/22/2009
"And if we are not going to release war prisoners then why don't we just kill them?" POWs can be held without trial until hostilities end........what don't you understand
01:01 PM on 05/22/2009
OK, so when does the "War on Terror" end? If they are POWs does this mean we can hold them forever if War on Terror never ends? Obama seems to be saying that while he rejects labeling them as "enemy combatants" (and hence subject to the whims of the executive branch) he's happy treating them the same. Whats the difference?
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09:48 AM on 05/22/2009
Did you listen to his whole speech? Because it was pretty clear to me that he is not posturing. He spelled out EXACTLY what the 5 categories of detainees are, and how they are going to be dealt with. He also made it clear that government WILL make sure that the constitution is followed and that there will be no mistakes made so terrorists can get off on appeals. Like I said before, lefties and righties are not going to be happy no matter what the President does with the Gitmo detainees. I think what he laid out in his speech was pragmatic and logical.
01:02 PM on 05/22/2009
"Get off on appeals"? What does that mean?