Geithner's "Incredible" New Justification For Recycling Bailout Money (VIDEO)

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Posted: 05-22-09 12:54 PM

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Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Thursday that he has "no plans to request additional funding" for the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. Of course, he wouldn't need to request additional funding, because, per his April declaration that the depleted TARP would benefit from $25 billion in repaid funds, the program can regenerate money like the T-1000 can regrow limbs.

Nevermind the law that says the taxpayer is supposed to get his money back when bailed-out firms return funds, and that the previous administration promised this kind of recycling would never happen.

At a Senate hearing on Wednesday, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) questioned Geithner about the recycling: "If over the next six months $50 billion comes back, will $50 billion go into the general fund of the United States?"

Geithner responded that money returned to the TARP creates "additional head room" -- like the Lernaean Hydra.

"The way the TARP is designed -- and I didn't design this -- but the way it's designed is every dollar that comes back goes into the general fund but that does still create additional head room under the $700 billion authority for us to make capital investments," Geithner said. "So we have the ability to still use the $700 billion if we think there's a strong case for doing that, but the way the program works is a dollar comes in and goes to the general fund but still creates additional room for us to make a new..."

"So your understanding of what we did is that the Treasury now has $700 billion that it can use permanently," DeMint said, "rotating in and out of the capital markets as you see fit?"

"Well, I'm not quite sure permanent, but you're right," Geithner said.

What Geithner said represents an escalation over Treasury's previous justification. The law says revenue from the sale of troubled assets "shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury for reduction of the public debt." A Treasury spokeswoman told the Huffington Post earlier this month that repaid principal from investments in preferred shares landed back under the TARP. But now "every dollar" that comes back goes into the TARP.

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"This is incredible," wrote economist Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, in an email to the Huffington Post. "I had thought that Geithner's argument for being able to recycle TARP money hinged on making a distinction between money that went to buy troubled assets, where the wording seems to explicitly rule out recycling, and money that was used to buy preferred shares. There is no explicit wording on the latter because Congress had been told that the money it was approving would be used to buy troubled assets."

Baker continued, "Instead of resting his case on this distinction, Geithner is apparently trying to say that the explicit wording, requiring repaid TARP money to be returned to the Treasury, has no meaning. In his testimony, he is claiming that Congress approved a $700 billion revolving fund, even though the wording is obviously intended to mean the opposite."

The Treasury Department did not immediately respond to an inquiry from the Huffington Post.

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Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Thursday that he has "no plans to request additional funding" for the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. Of course, he wouldn't need to request add...
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Thursday that he has "no plans to request additional funding" for the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. Of course, he wouldn't need to request add...
 
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- YewNeekId I'm a Fan of YewNeekId 26 fans permalink

What do you expect when you put a wall street lackey in charge of the treasury?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 05/24/2009
- eposter I'm a Fan of eposter 6 fans permalink

Many people still hold the delusion that their vote matters. Whether it be for change or Republican the vote returns more of the same.

Elections are silly. Polls, pundits and promises produce an elaborate hoax on voters.

The nastiness of the rhetoric disguises the fact that money rules not votes. Obama knows it. His voters don't. Republican politicians know it. Their voters don't.

If voters want influence they better find some money and a special interest group or they're are doomed to hope for change and never ever get what they want out of "democracy."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 05/24/2009
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 17 fans permalink

Ladies and gentlemen. We are a nation governed by The Rule of Law. Wrong. Most people are governed by The Rule of Law.

Government is run on public policy. Our leaders set the policy, regardless of law. A few words in a print rag makes it legitimate. If you or I were to do this, we would be hung out to dry according to The Rule of Law.

Rule of Law for most.

Public Policy in the furthering of narrow agendas.

God help you if you contradict Public Policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 05/24/2009
- larmar I'm a Fan of larmar 8 fans permalink

Republicans using paid bloggers in an attempt to control the national debate toward their point of view.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22861_Page2.html

Republicans are attempting to control the national debate by influencing direction on certain blogs. One of them being Huffington Post.

More of the same old Republican revisionist history, now recycled through paid bloggers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 05/23/2009
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Since the Republicans are essentially united in their hatred of TARP and Geithner, I wonder who the paid commenters on The Huffington Post might be?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 05/23/2009
- msjimmied I'm a Fan of msjimmied 38 fans permalink
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I was wondering too about the harsh anti administration bias lately...it looked like our eyes were being taken off the ball. I wish they would think of something more constructive to do! Too bad I would not be infiltrating their boards, too old to suffer fools...and miles of drivel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 05/24/2009
- obamaluv I'm a Fan of obamaluv 3 fans permalink

Paid or not. Shifting focus is no defense of this government arrogance. Government hypocrisy and breaking the law – leading to popular distrust is never a good policy regardless of party in power

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 05/24/2009
- msjimmied I'm a Fan of msjimmied 38 fans permalink
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Geithner has the lousiest job in the world! I doubt many realize how much trouble we are in and why we have to hold our noses and pump up the banks. I wish it never came to this, but it did. As to why there was such a sense of urgency about pumping in dollars into the system, read this...

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-world-almost-came-to-end-at-2pm-on.html

Forget the run on Bear Stearns and Lehman's, the US and the world were facing economic collapse. The fear mongers are still at it. Early morning headlines from CNBC today.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30891419

The rating companies who were totally oblivious to the mounting crisis that was brewing in the financial sector now looks at reducing the rating for UK and the US. Sounds like a bit of blackmail to me...wonder if the banks had anything to do with it? Consider that the present administration's stance of reducing the power and scope of the financial sector, would that be a factor?

Let Geithner do what he needs to do, we are all second guessing him and his motives. I pray he gets it, the actions so far of the government tells me maybe they do. Sometimes to get out of a truly bad situation, you have to throw all your resources at it. Doing nothing and letting it all fall down is not an option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 05/23/2009
- doctorkeys I'm a Fan of doctorkeys 7 fans permalink
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Geithner has no right rewrite the law, no matter how hard his job is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 05/23/2009

I agree! This is crazy. A revolving door of credit? Cheryl Mikela

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 05/23/2009
- msjimmied I'm a Fan of msjimmied 38 fans permalink
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I compare him to the soldier in pink shorts and flip flops OK? You do what you need to do while the rest of us sit comfortably in our easy chairs and throw darts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 05/23/2009
- quiviran I'm a Fan of quiviran 22 fans permalink

Just keep your eye on the third shell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 05/23/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 68 fans permalink

SEC. 106. RIGHTS; MANAGEMENT; SALE OF
TROUBLED ASSETS; REVENUES AND SALE
PROCEEDS.

(d) Transfer to Treasury.--Revenues of, and proceeds from the sale
of troubled assets purchased under this Act, or from the sale, exercise,
or surrender of warrants or senior debt instruments acquired under
section 113 shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury for
reduction of the public debt.

this is not revolving credit the money must be returned

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 05/23/2009
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When TARP is finished, all principal proceeds go to retire the 700 billion. If there is a shortfall, the financial industry is committed to retiring that shortfall.

While TARP is ongoing, the 700 billion remains 700 billion - to the very last minute. It is a revolving credit program for 5 years. After 5 years the commitment is that the 700 billion in debt created for the TARP program will be retired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 05/23/2009

REVENUES and Proceeds from Sales = money that they make, not money that was originally there goes to taxpayers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 05/23/2009
- TrueSense I'm a Fan of TrueSense 11 fans permalink


Do Americans organize and protest anything anymore ? There is no such thing as a general action ?
When will there be leaders that do what is best for the country instead of worrying about the money they get from industry. Between Wall Street and health care, Obama's answer is they rule and we are bought and paid for, just a little bit less than the Repubs.

Duing the depression, 10 of thousands would gather in the plains to here what was going on. I guess the interent is that now but that makes it invisible unless ads are bought like the now co-opted Moveon used to do.

They also would shout down the auctioner of certain farmers. My relatives told me when there used to be a draft, people from all walks of life were togethe for a common purpose. This made for common bonds that lasted for years.

If Obama so admires the sacrifices of our military and the people who dare to join and perform, then when will he show leadership and sacrifice for the good of the country. If he did, he would find he and his allies would be swept in for years to come and would not have to be the money changers they are unless they enjoy it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 05/23/2009
- dsws I'm a Fan of dsws 11 fans permalink
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Some of us tried to hold demonstrations through http://anewwayforward.org. The one in Boston was almost a complete washout. Perhaps twenty of us stood in the rain with our signs and fliers turning to mush. I think there's a widespread sense that protests don't do anything, that you donate and volunteer in primary campaigns and that's about it as far as having any effect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 05/23/2009
- TrueSense I'm a Fan of TrueSense 11 fans permalink


Good on you ! We have got to be able to generate significant numbers. In other countries they also have labor like actions but the inovle workers from all over and some streets look empty.

What needs to be done so we can march for healthcare and a working economy ?
I would be interested. Fo healthcare we do not have much time left for this round.

We must at least call our congressman or write to them. Unfortunately, if you have been donar of some sort, they may pay even more attention. It is about money or the votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 05/23/2009
- vandegrasse I'm a Fan of vandegrasse 189 fans permalink
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No we don't. We are throughly cowed, we've given up on a system that is rigged against us, we're apathetic as well as just plain pathetic. How could we sit by while the Mob that now rules Washington keeps on stealing? America is the land of fools. Wish it weren't so but it is. And we have the nerve to criticize the French for being cowardly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 05/23/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 68 fans permalink

because they have whole country of cowards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 05/23/2009
- doctorkeys I'm a Fan of doctorkeys 7 fans permalink
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No. Buy another lottery ticket and turn on the TV. Pass the microwave popcorn please. Americans are braindead!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 05/23/2009
- TrueSense I'm a Fan of TrueSense 11 fans permalink


Is this fascism, or plutocracy ? It is at least some kind of oligcarchiac move.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 05/23/2009
- doctorkeys I'm a Fan of doctorkeys 7 fans permalink
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d. all of the above

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 05/23/2009
- freelyb I'm a Fan of freelyb 23 fans permalink

No one that can make a difference is listening... I am so pissed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 05/23/2009
- Tom95134 I'm a Fan of Tom95134 50 fans permalink
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My understanding is that the way the law is written it only requires that "PROFITS" be returned to the taxpayer. It says nothing about the original TARP funds. Obviously, one would expect that the TARP funds would eventually be returned but it seems to me that this does not have to happen as soon as a receiver of the TARP funds pays them back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 05/22/2009
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I believe TARP runs for 5 years, and the SoT could extend it for 9 more months under certain circumstances.

But that would be the end of it. At that time an assessment is to be made to determine whether or not any of the original 700 billion is unpaid; if so, the financial companies are committed to pay back that shortfall. The 700 billion is back stopped, and it is unlikely TARP will be a part of the national debt after its 5th year.

TARP was originally conceived of as a revolving fund. There is no change here. His tactics are in perfect congruence with the spirit of the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 05/23/2009
- joeneri I'm a Fan of joeneri 5 fans permalink
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You're right. I think people are "outraged" for one of two reasons: political theater and misunderstanding about how money works. Money has to move and the faster it moves the more money it creates in the system. However, having said that, it's unlikely this strategy will ultimately work because it's ultimate goal is to recreate the same conditions that led US into this mess: cyclical asset bubbles.

When the creation of wealth again has a real relationship to actual productivity then, perhaps, we'll return to a capitalist system instead of the monetized system we now call 'the free market.'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 05/23/2009
- dsws I'm a Fan of dsws 11 fans permalink
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"TARP was originally conceived of as a revolving fund."

It was *originally* conceived as a bill that was less than a page long: Paulson would get the $700B, Congress would respectfully suggest that he might consider using it to buy troubled assets, and even if someone found a law that did restrict how he used it they still couldn't do anything because it was non-reviewable by the courts (or anyone else, of course).

Of course, that's not what Congress passed. It's H.R.1424 of the previous (110th) Congress. Here's the GPO plain-text link: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ343.110 but I haven't found the relevant passage yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 05/23/2009
- freelyb I'm a Fan of freelyb 23 fans permalink

You are right, but it is quite understandable why people are outraged. The banks have continued to use taxpayer dollars to lobby against them, are repaying only the funds that must be repayed to insure that compensation structures remain intact, and are getting killer deals regarding their toxic asset situation relative to taxpayers and in other forms also funded by the public. The banks are NOT acting in any kind of congruence with common decency. And Geither really doesn't give a damn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 05/23/2009
- StJames I'm a Fan of StJames 58 fans permalink
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What is this axe you're grinding over Geithner? The man is doing a superhuman job under impossible circumstances. Of course this money should be recycled...would you prefer we simply print more? For as much as I despise the greedy b_ _ _ _ _ ds who created this financial fiasco, we must give them the assistance they need to survive. Main St. is as dependent on Wall St. as Wall St is on Main St. The money will eventually be returned, which is more than can be said of the billions wasted on Iraq. Geithner is not part of the problem. I fail to see how having someone who has no idea as to how the financial system works running Treasury would be better than Geithner. You want a legitimate axe to grind? Try Larry Summers heading the Federal Reserve. Bernanke has also done a superb job, yet there are people saying when his term is over Summers will replace him. Summers was definitely part of the problem under Clinton he was happily deregulating. Grind that for awhile and be of some use.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 05/22/2009
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He is a disaster and so is Bernacke. Bernacke got the entire issue wrong. We are in an intensely asset deflationary environment and they are throwing money at the problem making sure the TARP banks can survive another day with trillions of worthless loans on their books, but do all they can to relend them once again into private (consumer and hedge fund) hands.

This approach is flawed and as time passes and the consumer savings rate increases, the bifurcation between the Fed's plans and reality will only become more evident, with the cost being increasing deflation, while the U.S. accumulates higher and higher sovereign debt. The combined impact of both processes may end up having a devastating geopolitical impact on the United States.

Geithner was at the NY Fed when and was part of the team previously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 05/22/2009
- joeneri I'm a Fan of joeneri 5 fans permalink
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If you were a baseball owner and was recruiting a team would you hire baseball players or a 'fresh face' from Pro Golf Tournament?

Of course Geithner is part of the team previously. How else would he know anything about the game if he wasn't?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 05/23/2009
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Geithner is culpable.
Summers owns him.
It is a travesty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 05/22/2009
- freelyb I'm a Fan of freelyb 23 fans permalink

Geithner and Sachs have previously played their part in the problem, are part of the problem right now, and will staunchly continue to be part of the problem for as long as we let them. Wall Street is not taking care of main street. They screwed up their good thing, and the deal is off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 05/23/2009
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I think Ben Bernanke has proven himself to Obama, and it is likely he will be reappointed. He may be a Republican, but his understanding of what FDR did during the Great Depression has been enormously helpful to date.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 05/23/2009
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Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.
Ronald Reagan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 05/22/2009
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Well, Reagan is dead. In this situation the problem created by the Bush administration will be solved by the Obama administration, hopefully. If that means recycling the TARP money to pull us out of this recession, I say do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 05/23/2009
- PennP I'm a Fan of PennP 26 fans permalink
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We heard "loan" to the banks.

Mr. Geithner heard "$700B revolving line of credit" to his friends.

Question is, why should his mistake keep us from getting our money back, as we were promised?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 05/22/2009
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He should not be able to relend it out without approval.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 05/22/2009
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If the law is unclear or if the law allows this, it is not Geithner's fault, it is Congress'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 05/23/2009
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What mistakes? He had $350 billion. He's put $240 billion to work, and has $110 billion in reserve.

He has said the law allows him to add back to his reserve any repayments of TARP. The law is quite clear on it. He's correct.

None of this has anything to do with whether or not TARP is repaid. It's likely it will all be repaid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 05/23/2009

get it back when the TARP program is over, until then, repaid money (not the interest profits) goes back to the 700bn fund

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 05/23/2009
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Principled and Principal-ed OUTRAGE!

Executives=300 to 500 times income of Average Worker

Executives Income 30,000% to 50,000% the Income of the Average Worker

# ! Greediest Nation = # 1 Debtor Nation = America = BANK Owned Federal Reserve Debt System

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 05/22/2009
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Makes me stutter.
How is this lunacy continuing without a some sort of a public riot?
Voted for O too but, come on.
It's all just play money anyway. Or it will feel like it, when the inflation comes, and Asia flexes her muscle. We're sooo over the barrel. And the drunken frat party at the Treasury continues unabated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 05/22/2009
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