France: Church Of Scientology To Stand Trial For Organized Fraud

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PIERRE-ANTOINE SOUCHARD | May 25, 2009 02:03 PM EST | AP

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French Scientology Church branch former member Roger Gonnet, arrives at Paris court house, Monday, May 25, 2009. The Church of Scientology could be dissolved in France if it is convicted in a trial that opened Monday in a Paris court, where the group and seven of its French leaders stand charged of organized fraud and illegal pharmaceutical activity. (AP Photo/Jacques Brinon)

PARIS — The Church of Scientology could be dissolved in France if it is convicted in a trial that opened Monday in a Paris court, where the group and seven of its French leaders stand charged of organized fraud and illegal pharmaceutical activity.

The group, considered a sect in France, has faced prosecution and difficulties in registering its activities in many countries.

The trial comes more than a decade after one of the three plaintiffs originally filed a complaint against the Church of Scientology. A young woman said she took out loans and spent the equivalent of euro21,000 ($29,400) on books, courses and "purification packages" after being recruited by the group in 1998. When she sought reimbursement and to leave the group, its leadership refused.

"For each person who complains we have 100,000 ready to say nothing but good things about scientology," Agnes Bron, an official of the French organization, said before the trial, which is expected to last until June 17.

Investigating judge Jean-Christophe Hullin spent years examining the group's activities, and in his indictment criticized practices he said were aimed at extracting large sums of money from members and plunging them into a "state of subjection."

The investigator questioned what he called the Scientologists' "obsession" with financial gain, and the group's practice of selling vitamins, leading to the charge of "acting illegally as a pharmacy."

Patrick Maisonneuve, lawyer for the Church of Scientology in France, dismissed any organized fraud, although he acknowledged there could have been individual abuses.

"The discovery of a pedophile priest does not allow us to question the entire Catholic Church," he was quoted as saying in the weekly L'Express magazine ahead of the trial opening.

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Presiding Judge Sophie-Helene Chateau said the job of the court was "to find whether the acts in question constitute a crime. ... It is not up to the court to decide questions of society."

The Los Angeles-based Church of Scientology, founded in 1954 by the late science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, has been active for decades in Europe but has struggled to gain status as a religion. The U.S. State Department has criticized Belgium, Germany and other European countries for labeling Scientology a cult or sect and enacting laws to restrict its operations.

A guilty verdict in the current French trial could shut down the group's activities in France.

The investigating judge also questioned the validity of an "electrometer" sold to members for euro4,800 and used to measure variations in their mental state. The judge, in the indictment, called it "an illusion aimed at giving a scientific sense to an operation that has nothing of the kind."

Unusually, the Paris prosecutor's office had recommended the charges be dropped, but the court agreed to take up the case.

In 2002, a French court fined the Paris regional branch of the church for a data protection violation but acquitted it of attempted fraud and judges refused to disband it.

The Church of Scientology teaches that technology can expand the mind and help solve problems. It claims 10 million members around the world, including celebrity devotees Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

PARIS — The Church of Scientology could be dissolved in France if it is convicted in a trial that opened Monday in a Paris court, where the group and seven of its French leaders stand charged of...
PARIS — The Church of Scientology could be dissolved in France if it is convicted in a trial that opened Monday in a Paris court, where the group and seven of its French leaders stand charged of...
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- richdibo I'm a Fan of richdibo 12 fans permalink
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Isn't it obnoxious when your dash gets transformed into a dangling apostrophe - like this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 05/28/2009
- richdibo I'm a Fan of richdibo 12 fans permalink
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I see – it only gets transformed when you copy and paste from Word – like this.
Obnoxious – vary irritating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 05/28/2009

Scientology was given a tax exempt status by the IRS because the IRS employees who were investigating the CofS were harassed by scientologists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 05/26/2009

correct

they are a tony robbins self help business that harassed and blackmailed the government into giving them tax exempt status

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 05/26/2009

You'll notice Scientology is seen as a sect in France but a religion in the U.S. Regardless, if you break the law within the realms of either, you have to go to trial. Pills? WTH is that all about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 05/26/2009
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We are your SPs.
The suppression of your followers will become increasingly difficult to maintain.
Believers will wake and see that salvation has no price.
Knowledge is free.
We are anonymous.
We are legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 05/26/2009

What's an SP?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 05/26/2009
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Hail Xenu!

Leland R. Erickson

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 05/27/2009
- richdibo I'm a Fan of richdibo 12 fans permalink
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Hail Spiderman.

The term "Citizen" sounds too confining, a divisive restriction defined by a geographic boundary.

"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us 'universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."

Albert Einstein

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 05/28/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 88 fans permalink

As I responded below to someone else's comments, will someone please tell me how in the world are we so at odds with our religious beliefs supposedly?

All religions teach basically that God is good, loving, peaceful, and humble. We, the people, are a far cry from being all those wonderful things we feel is so godly. And if we want to get to heaven and know we need to change our lives to be like God, then why are we such opposites of his teachings. We go to church every Sunday to praise his name and before we can get out of the church, we're talking badly about somebody. How can we be so hypocritical?

And, how can we even discuss the events of t o r t u r e when Jesus was t o r t u r e d himself. Do we NOT relate that to our way of thinking today or are we once again being hypocritical?

You can have the ways of God in your heart and live your life according to his teachings of love and brotherhood without holding yourself to any one religion or church. That is where I am right now. I solely believe in the goodness of a God and nothing or no one can take that away. I DON'T believe in what the churches preach and what religious organizations stand for. There is something sinister behind all these religious "corporations". And I won't have anything to do with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 05/26/2009
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Then I for one would argue that you have taken the following Biblical passage to heart:

"Be thou not as the hypocrites, who love to pray on the street corners and in the synagogues, that they may be seen by men, for I say unto you, they have their reward!

When you would pray to your God, go, lock yourself in your closet, and there in secret, pray to your God, who is Himself in secret!"

- Jesus

At the end of the day, however you address Him, the relationship between Man and God is a personal one.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

PROTESTant

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 05/26/2009
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We, we, we.
None of that applies to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 05/26/2009

Well, some people want to "create" their own modern religions in order to justify their behavior and what they do. Even with 9/11, the Koran does not speak of evil acts. Radicals will change anything to suit them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 05/26/2009
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Yeah, we should stick with the old, tried and true h0m0ph0bic ones, right harriet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 05/26/2009

Christianity was a sect (a cult) for some time......remember, Jesus and his Apostles were Jewish....­Christiani­ty was a Jewish cult......why must early days of any religion be considered something less than a religion.....The First Amendment of the Constitution grants religious freedom, not merely freedom for Jews, Christians, and Muslims, but ALL religious beliefs - including atheist beliefs.....I might not agree with the Church of Scientology any more/less than Church of Latter Day Saints, but that does not diminish the fact that their beliefs are religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 05/26/2009
- richdibo I'm a Fan of richdibo 12 fans permalink
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There is something sinister behind anything religious.

How many people would be "religious" if they didn't earn brownie points toward their purchase of a ticket to heaven?

When fearing god's punishment and desire for eternal reward are your impetus, I would say that is sinister.

What do you do when no one is watching?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 05/28/2009
- kwinter I'm a Fan of kwinter 55 fans permalink
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There are a lot of posters comparing scientology to other cult/religions. They're all dangerous.
Which is worse? It's hard to say.

How many senior citizens on fixed incomes have been convinced to give 10% of their SS check to Pat Robertson or some other snake oil salesman, while praying they'll be able to pay their electric bill?
How many parents have let their sick child die, because they believed praying was a better idea than seeking medical attention?
How many people have "litters" of children they can't afford, adding to the problems fueled by overpopulation?
How many more will be infected with HIV, because they believe using condoms is a sin?
How many people's lives are effected in this country because religious zealots have managed to gain so much influence in our government?

I could go on and on.
Which is worse? It's hard to say. Or is it?
When scientologists start trying to get Dianetics into our children's science classes, (like x-ians with ID), or try to influence our laws, promote homophobia, and impede medical research, I'll take more notice.
Until then ... a cult/religion ... is a cult/religion ... is a cult/religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 05/26/2009
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I'll have one vastly more eloquent and learned than I answer your accusations, as it clearly bears repeating:

"A religion true to its nature must also be concerned about man's social conditions. Religion deals with both earth and heaven, both time and eternity. Religion operates not only on the vertical plane but also on the horizontal.

It seeks not only to integrate men with God but to integrate men with men and each man with himself. This means, at bottom, that the Christian gospel is a two-way road. On the one hand, it seeks to change souls of men and thereby unite them with God; on the other hand, it seeks to change the environmental conditions of men so that the soul will have a chance after it is changed.

Any religion that professes to be concerned with the souls of men and is not concerned with the slums that damn them, the economic conditions that strangle them, and the social conditions that cripple them is a dry-as-dust religion. Such a religion is the kind the Marxists like to see - an opiate of the people."

- Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

There are religions, and there are cults, and there are scams. $cientology is both cult and scam that would cloak itself in the respectability of calling itself a "religion," even though it abjectly fails to qualify as such in any honest, meaningful way.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

PROTESTant

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 05/26/2009
- kwinter I'm a Fan of kwinter 55 fans permalink
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"$cientology is both cult and scam that would cloak itself in the respectability of calling itself a "religion," "

I don't see any "respectability" in any religion.
As I pointed out in another post, the only difference between a cult and a religion is ..... numbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 05/26/2009
- richdibo I'm a Fan of richdibo 12 fans permalink
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Hi Spiderman:

I hope that you copy and pasted, rather than re-type everything when you repeat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 05/28/2009

details are everything

and they are missing from your thought process entirely

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 05/26/2009
- richdibo I'm a Fan of richdibo 12 fans permalink
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Details are so over-rated. Champion brevity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 05/28/2009

Common sense has evaded some people when it comes to religion. God gave everyone a brain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 05/26/2009
- SamKnause I'm a Fan of SamKnause 69 fans permalink

All religions are organized fraud. They pay no taxes and take money from their members under false pretenses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 05/26/2009
- jdlund I'm a Fan of jdlund 7 fans permalink

And you know for a fact that these religions are led by people who knowingly say false things? No you don't. You have no idea what church leaders truly believe or think. Neither do I, and many of them could be crooks. But I have no doubt that many more actually and honestly believe what they are saying is true. The thing is neither you nor I are any better. We all take certain things on faith as a necessity to survive. Faith that are actions have some sort of meaning, that there is value to the things which drive us. Atheists who hate religious people and say that all religion is corrupt and wicked are no better than fundamentalists who are hostile towards those who do not believe. They are one in the same.

I am not religious. I believe in no one spiritual path but I would never blanket crap on every religion in existence. Just accept that no one person or group of people knows everything that can be known. Just accept that others have different views and that doesn't mean they are wrong or stupid. Scientology is a pyramid scheme masquerading as a religion to get the protection of the first amendment here. If you can't see the difference between them and run of the mill Hindus, Chirstians, Budhists, Muslims or Jews, then I feel sorry for how much bitterness you have towards others for no other reason than they believe differently than you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 05/26/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 88 fans permalink

If you read the past of religion, you just might have a different view. Just a suggestion because religion as we know it is basically false and made up by men who had an agenda to control people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 05/26/2009
- SamKnause I'm a Fan of SamKnause 69 fans permalink

There was not anything in my post about bitterness towards any one or any religion. I was simply giving my view that religious organizations do not pay taxes, and many live in lavish life styles, and they ask for money to pay preachers salaries, build and repair churches, and for air time on T.V. Do not feel sorry for me. I think every one has the right to their own opinion and religious views. I did not say that I was an atheists or hated any one. I am not hostile towards any one. May be you should read a post before you comment with such vicious replies. You seem to have an anger problem, and problem with calling people names and labeling them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 05/26/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 88 fans permalink

So true. Plus they mess with people's minds, making them believe all kinds of falsehoods in the name of the all that is good. It's nothing but another cult with views that are weird and strange to say the least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 05/26/2009

When the Great Quahog rises up out of the ocean and sprays the unbelievers with cosmic salt water through its holy siphon then the day of reckoning will have arrived and the lies and iniquities of the unholy blasphemers of false faith will be drenched for all time.

-- SpongeBob

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 05/26/2009
- SuesW I'm a Fan of SuesW 10 fans permalink

I still can't believe a science fiction writer created a religion, and within my lifetime. It's scary. It's like Elvis or Alfred Hitchcock started a religion and people take it seriously. It's insane, really.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 05/26/2009

Pt Barnum could explain why

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 05/26/2009
- jdlund I'm a Fan of jdlund 7 fans permalink

It is pretty funny actually. The Xenu story is quite possibly the single dumbest "religious" story in existence. There have been some pretty silly myths but man that one takes the cake. It's hard to say how many take it seriously and how many play along for career advantages in Hollywood or to make money. But presumably some of these people actually believe. It did make me lose a great deal of respect for Jason Lee, Beck, Seinfeld and Isaac Hayes when I found out that they were all Scientologists and may actually believe that people are sad because the remnants of dead aliens reside within us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 05/26/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 88 fans permalink

It just goes to show you how people are so easily persuaded to believe just about anything. It's scary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 05/26/2009
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Sadly, there are desperate, vulnerable people who are easily ensnared by the unscrupulous all too willing to tell them what they think they want to hear. David Koresh, Jim Jones, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggert, Oral Roberts, James Dobson, Jim and Tammy Fae Baker, ad nauseum.

The Bible for example, speaks of such as *false prophets* and "wolves in sheep's clothing," and denounces them for their deception which violates (among other things) the commandment "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

$cientology is IMHO just the latest in a series of cults to plague the human condition. That the leadership of the $cientology cult has figured out how to utilize effective corporate PR techniques and such to cover their tracks (if badly), that should IMHO come as no surprise given the history of such pernicious cults set to fleece the unwary, the gullible, and the vulnerable.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

PROTESTant

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 05/26/2009
- richdibo I'm a Fan of richdibo 12 fans permalink
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Hi Spiderman:

"The Bible for example, speaks of such as *false prophets* and "wolves in sheep's clothing," and denounces them for their deception which violates (among other things) the commandment "Thou shalt not bear false witness." "

So the bible contains it's own warning and disclaimer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 05/28/2009
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Yes, it's much better to be a su-ck-er for a religion created by ancient goat-herders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 05/26/2009
- richdibo I'm a Fan of richdibo 12 fans permalink
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Maybe that is the origin of the word "milk," as in to milk someone. Any etymology experts?

Entomology is the study of insects. I often confuse these words. I often wonder what would the study of insects who speak, read and write be called. I am so glad that insects are illiterate and mute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 05/28/2009
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 21 fans permalink

As I pray to Baldur and Frygg...I have little patience with crazy sects like Scientology or Mormonism. I am waiting for the day that a pagan, again, will rule...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 05/25/2009
- DofG I'm a Fan of DofG 46 fans permalink
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So only one "cherry" out of the tree?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 05/25/2009
- skunky93 I'm a Fan of skunky93 8 fans permalink

I should create a religion...there's so much money in it. No wonder we all don't get along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 05/25/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 88 fans permalink

Now that is a very truly statement!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 05/26/2009
- tippydog11 I'm a Fan of tippydog11 9 fans permalink

send me your money and you will receive a miracle or a cheque in the mail..please those are not churches...money donations are to help in the community, help the poor etc etc...but churches do not do that and if they do the amount is nothing to what they take in... they should be taxed...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 05/25/2009
- LMPE I'm a Fan of LMPE 59 fans permalink

It would be nice if, one day, all organized religion dies out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 05/25/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 88 fans permalink

True and I agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 05/26/2009

"Y'know, we're all wasting our time writing this hack science fiction! You wanta make real money, you gotta start a religion! "

- L. Ron Hubbard (he would later go on to start Scientology)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 05/25/2009
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