Israel To Propose Settlement Compromise To U.S.

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KARIN LAUB | 05/26/09 01:36 PM | AP

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Jewish settlers salvage material from destroyed structures that were demolished last Thursday by Israeli troops, in the West Bank outpost of Maoz Esther, a hilltop site northeast of Ramallah, Tuesday, May 26, 2009. Israel would dismantle nearly two dozen wildcat settlement outposts in the West Bank in the next few weeks if the U.S. drops its objections to continued building in existing, government-sanctioned settlements, officials said. (AP Photo/Tara Todras-Whitehill)

MAALEH ADUMIM, West Bank — Israel scrambled Tuesday to sidestep President Barack Obama's demand for a West Bank settlement freeze with a diluted counteroffer to Washington.

But Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's compromise _ to take down some squatter camps in exchange for permission to keep building in established settlements _ was quickly rejected by hard-liners in his own coalition.

The dispute underscored Netanyahu's difficult juggling act. He's trying to avert a crisis with the U.S. over settlements, while keeping his pro-settlement governing coalition intact and forging ahead with construction, such as the rows of apartment blocks going up in this rapidly expanding Israeli city in the West Bank.

However, Obama and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton have spoken in recent days about halting all settlement activity without exception, suggesting Netanyahu may have little room to bargain.

Also, the 2003 "roadmap" for peace negotiations, which Israel accepted, bans all construction in settlements and orders the removal of the outposts.

Cutting a deal with Israel on settlements could also hurt Obama's credibility and key policy goals, including improving U.S. relations with the Arab world and moving toward the creation of a Palestinian state in a Mideast peace deal. There was no immediate reaction from Washington.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is putting settlements at the center of his talks with Obama at the White House on Thursday, and has said he won't resume peace talks without a freeze.

Without a moratorium on settlements, Obama could also have a tough time persuading Arab countries to take his suggestion and begin moving toward normalizing relations with Israel.

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Continued construction could also close the door to a two-state solution, defined by Obama as a key U.S. interest. Nearly half a million Israelis have moved into homes built during the last four decades on land the Palestinians want for their state.

However, some supporters of a two-state solution argue that Obama is wasting political capital on the interim step of a freeze, and should focus on getting quickly to a peace deal that would determine the fate of the settlements by drawing Israel's permanent borders.

The U.S. has long criticized settlements as obstacles to peace but never succeeded in getting Israel to halt construction, which continued even during periods of peace negotiations. More than 3,200 apartments were being built in the West Bank in 2008, and the Israeli settlement monitor Peace Now says 6,000 more units are in various stages of planning.

Currently, nearly 300,000 Israelis live in the West Bank, in addition to some 180,000 in east Jerusalem, the Palestinians' would-be capital.

Maaleh Adumim, near Jerusalem, has grown from a hilltop outpost in 1975 into a city of 35,000, complete with shopping mall and industrial zone.

At a sprawling construction site on the settlement's eastern edge, laborers erected scaffolding on a recent morning, with the pounding of hammers echoing across the Judean Desert.

Apartment sales are brisk, said an employee in an on-site sales office, adding that five contractors have projects in Maaleh Adumim with hundreds of units going up.

One contractor, Electra Construction, is building 52 apartments. Israela Peer, a customer service representative, said nearly all have been sold, at 1.1 million shekels _ about $275,000 _ for a five-room apartment. That is $50,000 less than a comparable property in central Israel.

Successive Israeli governments have said they need to keep building to accommodate "natural growth" for families to have children or for the adult offspring of settlers to buy homes near their parents.

"If in a certain community there are another 14 kids next year of kindergarten age and we have to open them a new kindergarten _ what's the big deal?" Defense Minister Ehud Barak said this week.

Such arguments may not go over well with the Americans. In a TV interview, Clinton specifically said the U.S. opposes construction for "natural growth."

Netanyahu and Barak came up with their counter proposal in recent days, according to Israeli officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief reporters.

Their plan is to promise to dismantle 22 wildcat settler outposts over the next few weeks, in exchange for the U.S. dropping its demand for a freeze, the officials said. Barak is to present the idea in Washington next week.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman dismissed Netanyahu's proposal Tuesday, saying Israel should not take any action until it has devised a comprehensive plan for tackling its problems with its neighbors.

"I promise you, no outposts will be dismantled tomorrow, and not two weeks from now," he told Army Radio.

Settler leader Dani Dayan said he believes Netanyahu can be deterred from dismantling most outposts and warned that a freeze would bring down the government.

MAALEH ADUMIM, West Bank — Israel scrambled Tuesday to sidestep President Barack Obama's demand for a West Bank settlement freeze with a diluted counteroffer to Washington. But Prime Minister B...
MAALEH ADUMIM, West Bank — Israel scrambled Tuesday to sidestep President Barack Obama's demand for a West Bank settlement freeze with a diluted counteroffer to Washington. But Prime Minister B...
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Israeli compromise. Now there's an oxymoron for certain!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 05/27/2009
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here we are
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1088591.html

National Union MK Aryeh Eldad's proposal that Jordan take responsibility for the Palestinians' welfare is a "baseless hallucination," the president told Israel Radio. .
Eldad brought the proposal for a preliminary vote in the Knesset plenum, where it passed with the support of 53 members, including Labor Party ministers Ehud Barak, Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, and Yitzhak Herzog. The bill will now go before the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee. .
Eldad told lawmakers during a Knesset plenum last week that Palestinians must be given Jordanian citizenship, claiming that Jordan is essentially the Palestinian state
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This mean they want Jordan to take the Palestinians (not the Palestine territory) and they voted for it

Correctly Mr Peres identified the problem in the oddness of a country (Israel) voting about another (Jordan) on an issue regarding a third party

But... read comments on Haaretz and you'll discover how this crazyness is shared by commentators and how many raging insults Peres has collected

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 05/27/2009
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"One contractor, Electra Construction, is building 52 apartments. Israela Peer, a customer service representative, said nearly all have been sold, at 1.1 million shekels _ about $275,000 _ for a five-room apartment. That is $50,000 less than a comparable property in central Israel."

We steal the land, and pass the savings on to you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 05/27/2009
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Steal the land?
You mean from those who declared war on us and lost it trying?
Then tried again and lost ?
Maybe its very fashionable these days to use the dishonest phrase "land grab or land theft" when describing the failure of the Arabs to exterminate Israel and losing more and more land trying, but it doesn't make it any less a lie.

Simple undisputed facts are Arabs declared war fully expecting to push Israel into the sea and lost, then tried again and lost again - and now play the victim. Boo hoo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 05/27/2009
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Relevant Quote:
When we have won the war, who will question our methods?

Activity:
Compare and contrast with tone of above.

Secondary Activity:
Identify the source of the quote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 05/27/2009

The Nation of Palestine declared war on Israel when exactly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 06/01/2009
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Starting to sound like the prospect of them losing billions in aid might be making a tiny difference?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 AM on 05/27/2009
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Maybe it's just me, but I am getting fed up with the Israelis believing they can steal all the land they want to from the non-Jews. Israel's actions in this matter are threatening the peace of the whole world, but, hey, what's world peace compared to the rights of a few million religious extremists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 AM on 05/27/2009
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Steal ?
Israel would never be sitting on that land, had the Arabs not declared a war on them.
There's be no security wall had the Arabs not sent suicide bombers to kill Israeli civilians
There's be no checkpoints had the Arabs not terrorized the Israelis
Are you starting to see things better now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 05/27/2009
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Advice:
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 05/27/2009

The settlers arent civilians. Theyre violent, armed, fanatical aggressors.

Theyre civilian terrorists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 05/28/2009
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Another pathetic deception to play the new President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 05/26/2009
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They don't want peace. I agree, They propose to stop building settlements on illegally occupied land, so that they can continue to build settlements on illegally occupied land? As a compromise? Now they are just power hungry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 05/26/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 57 fans permalink

Hear, hear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 05/27/2009
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Does Israel really want peace or has their nuke weilding government and their drunkenness of unlimited US support given them overwhelming requirement for power in the region?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 05/26/2009
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You don't abuse other people if you care about living in peace with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 05/26/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 57 fans permalink

And Biden responded.­..........­.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 05/27/2009
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It was rejected by Netanyahu's own party for being too lenient.
It should be spat back in his face by the Obama administration for being a flat-out joke.

It's WAY beyond time for a U.S. administration to put the s_crews to Israel and force them to honor the agreement they entered into for a Palestinian state more than 60 years ago.

Withhold money. Withhold arms. Do whatever it takes to muscle them. NOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 05/26/2009
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The settlements in the OPT are illegal. Period. Israel wants land not peace. A perfect spokesperson for Isreali policies is FM Lieberman. A Moldovan thug who emigrated into Israel and now wants to ethnically clean Isreal of the Palestinia­n-Israelis whose families have been there for hundreds of years.

Make no mistake, the most extensive violator of Security Council resolutions is Israel. Israel's rejection of the Arab League land-for-peace formula put forward in Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338 arguably puts Israel in violation of these resolutions, long seen as the basis for Middle East peace.

More clearly, Israel has defied Resolutions 267, 271 and 298, which demand that it rescind its annexation of greater East Jerusalem, as well as dozens of other resolutions insisting that Israel cease its violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention, such as deportations, demolition of homes, collective punishment and seizure of private property.

UN Security Council resolutions are well grounded in international law. Security Council Resolutions 446, 452 and 465 require that Israel evacuate all its illegal settlements on occupied Arab lands.

The US gives Israel 10 million dollars a day, operating the illegal settlements costs us 556 million a year. Think of what that money could do for us here in the US ?

Why don't we put it to vote and see how many Americans want to continue supporting the world's biggest welfare client, Israel ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 05/26/2009

Favorite'd

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 05/26/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 57 fans permalink

AIPAC would manipulate the rapture crowd into a majority. What a combination!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 05/27/2009
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Ah, but that money is well spent because without the bulwark of Israel, Hamas and Hezbollah will come after us... or so goes the next argument couched in fear mongering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 05/27/2009
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Now they're negotiating over conceding illegal activity. How ridiculous is this.

Palestinians relinquished 78 percent of the territory [of historical Palestine] and they still want more.

I feel sorry for anyone having to negotiate with these people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 05/26/2009
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Is this a joke? They propose to stop building settlements on illegally occupied land, so that they can continue to build settlements on illegally occupied land? As a compromise? Now that's just NUTS.

It is in their interests to begin a process of marginalizing their right-wing lunatic politicians and settler-extremists. The fact that it isn't politically viable for them to agree merely to freeze illegal settlements, yet alone, begin dismantling them, shows how extremist they've allowed themselves to become.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 05/26/2009
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the JOKE is on Obama! and the Arabs! If Ariel is an illegal "settlement" ...so is San Diego and so is Dallas!! All are built on lands won in wars!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 05/26/2009
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No contest there! They are all illegal settlements and if it were up to me would all be returned to their rightful indigenous people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 05/26/2009

Removing people from their homes because they are Jews is extremely racist and that is why most Israelis do not support removing settlements. Forcing young Jews to move out of a city they grew up in because Jews are not allowed to live in the West Bank is also very racist.

If Israel demanded that all Arabs leave Israel because their towns are "illegal settlements", there would be a worldwide outrage against Israel. This issue shows very clearly how a double moral standard is applied to Israel and not to the Arabs. Israelis are expected to respect other people's rights, but nobody expects the Palestinians or Arab nations to respect other people's rights.

This leads me to believe that if the eastern part of Jerusalem is given up to the Palestinians, they will not allow Jews in, just like they do with the rest of their land.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 05/26/2009
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Hypocrisy:
Removing people from their homes because they are Jews is extremely racist and that is why most Israelis do not support removing settlements

Evidence:
Since taking office in January on promises to develop the city equitably, Mayor Nir Barkat has stepped up demolition orders of Arab homes in East Jerusalem, charged an Israeli human rights organization on Tuesday. In addition, he is moving forward with a $100 million development plan that would further diminish the city's Arab population and thus thwart Palestinian efforts to establish a contiguous state with a capital in Jerusalem.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0519/p06s21-wome.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 05/26/2009

This is exactly what I am talking about when I say there is a double standard. In your comment you complain about how Israel demolishes Arab homes, yet at the same time you condone the removal of Jews from the West Bank.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 05/26/2009
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Ok. So allow Palestinians who were born in what was then Palestine to return to what is now Israel and we'll call it even. Also, allow Palestinians currently living in the West Bank to live anywhere in Israel that they choose. Deal? Good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 05/26/2009

That's a very bad deal. What about all the Jews that were expelled by the Arab nations? Do they get to return to their homes? Even then it wouldn't be even. The Palestinians and Arab nations have yet to answer for their attempted genocide of the Jews in 1948.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 05/26/2009

Israel already does force Palestinians out of residential neighborhoods. They evict Palestinians by force from family homes then demolish them with armored bulldozers. The Israeli settlers are illigitimate, violent occupiers. Many of them are armed. The fact that they are Jews is irrelevant. Theyre civilian terrorists.

The settlers are building illegally and stealing resources under Israeli military protection. The settlements are an obstacle to peace and in contravention of international law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 05/26/2009
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So then I guess you would agree that the assets stolen from Jews during WWII should not be returned to the Jews because the children of the those who stole the assets have "grown up with the assets".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 05/26/2009

The land where the settlers live was not stolen from the Palestinians. The Arabs (and other empires too) stole that land from the Jews when their caliphate went on a violent rampage throughout the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia and Southern Europe. The Jews are the original inhabitants of Israel, and there are mountains of archeological evidence that proves it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 05/26/2009
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Sharp and precise point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 05/26/2009
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"Forcing young Jews to move out of a city they grew up in because Jews are not allowed to live in the West Bank is also very racist."

Wrong: PA has recently proposed them to stay as palestinian citizens, they laugh at, they want that land to be Israel and they say it openly

"Removing people from their homes because they are Jews is extremely racist"

it's a poor trick:
This people removed palestinians to settle there and it hasn't been done gently, but killing and deporting people in refugee camps, let alone that land doesn't belong to Israel and that most settlers and their leaders are openly racist, no doubt about

"If Israel demanded that all Arabs leave Israel because their towns are "illegal settlements"

It's a nonsense: Arabs living in Israel are .CITIZENS, they didn't "settle", they lived there long before the establishment of Israel, even if they have some right less than their jew counterparts
Settlers are no citizens of Palestine, they're israeli citizens abroad building colonies and occupying other's land

Why do you openly lie in this way?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 05/26/2009
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Israel's strategy is to keep delaying, keep putting obstacles to any peace. They have never stated what their borders are because Zionism is a racist, imperialistic idealogy that believes the land is given to the Jews by God.

Eretz Israel the envisioned, land of Israel contains all Palestine much of Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt and depending on which group much more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 05/26/2009
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Which would explain why they gave Sinai back to Egypt, and have peace with Jordan? Oh those tricky israelis! Giving back land for peace with nations that they complete negotiations with! Crafty imperialists!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 05/26/2009
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'They' have peace with Jordan because America pays Jordan to make peace with izzy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 05/26/2009
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Fact:
Land occupied by the Israel military today > officially recognized 1947 borders

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 05/26/2009

They didnt 'give land back'. It wasnt theirs to give nor take. They didnt own it.

It was occupied by the Israeli army for a short time. Invading a country and placing an army within its borders doesnt mean the land belongs to you. If that were the case, it would be quite legal for Amercian civilians to fly over to Iraq, Korea, Vietnam or Afghanistan and start building domestic neighborhoods.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 05/26/2009
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Doesn't the Likud Party's anthem talk about "The Jordan has two banks. One is ours and so is the other one."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 05/26/2009
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Want to bet that within 50-100 years, Israeli's will have no borders?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 05/27/2009
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The country, the E.U and other part of the world are getting fed up with the Israelian government. One day they will make the same mistake, the Palestinians did. You should have take the offer while it was still on the table.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 05/26/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 57 fans permalink

Hear, hear. In the end, neither group will prevail but will swallowed up by their more sensible neighbors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 05/27/2009
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