Survey: Most Economists Predict Recession Will End In '09

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JEANNINE AVERSA | May 27, 2009 10:34 AM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — More than 90 percent of economists predict the recession will end this year, although the recovery is likely to be bumpy.

That assessment came from leading forecasters in a survey by the National Association for Business Economics released Wednesday. It is generally in line with the outlook from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and his colleagues.

About 74 percent of the forecasters expect the recession _ which started in December 2007 and is the longest since World War II _ to end in the third quarter. Another 19 percent predict the turning point will come in the final three months of this year, and the remaining 7 percent believe the recession will end in the first quarter of 2010.

"While the overall tone remains soft, there are emerging signs that the economy is stabilizing," said NABE president Chris Varvares, head of Macroeconomic Advisers. "The economic recovery is likely to be considerably more moderate than those typically experienced following steep declines."

One of the major forces that plunged the economy into a recession was the financial crisis that struck with force last fall and was the worst since the 1930s. Economists say recoveries after financial crises tend to be slower.

Against that backdrop, unemployment will climb this year even if the economy is rebounding, the NABE forecasters predict. Companies won't be in a rush to hire until they feel certain any recovery is firmly rooted.

For all of this year, the forecasters said the unemployment rate should average 9.1 percent, a big jump from 5.8 percent last year and up from its current quarter-century peak of 8.9 percent. If NABE forecasters are right, it would be the highest since a 9.6 percent rate in 1983, when the country was struggling to recover from a severe recession.

Some forecasters thought the unemployment rate could rise as high as 10.7 percent in the second quarter of next year. The NABE outlook from 45 economists was conducted April 27 through May 11.

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General Motors Corp., chemical company DuPont and Clear Channel Communications Inc. were among the companies announcing mass layoffs during the survey period.

With joblessness rising, consumers _ major shapers of overall economic activity _ likely will stay cautious, making for a tepid turnaround. And given the big bite the recession has taken out of household wealth, notably the values of homes and investment portfolios, consumers probably will stay subdued for some time.

Seventy-one percent of the forecasters believe a more-thrifty consumer will be around for at least the next five years. Americans' personal savings rate edged up to 4.2 percent in March, marking the first time in a decade that the savings rate has been above 4 percent for three straight months.

Even as the NABE forecasters believe the country will emerge from recession later this year, they also predict the economy's overall performance in 2009 will be rotten.

The economy should contract by 2.8 percent this year, the forecasters said in updated projections. That's worse than the 1.9 percent drop they forecast in late February. If they are right, it would mark the worst annual contraction since 1946, when economic activity fell by 11 percent.

Still, the forecasters believe the worst is already behind the country in terms of lost economic activity.

The economy shrank at a 6.1 percent annualized pace in the first three months of this year, on top of a 6.3 percent decline in the final three months of last year, the worst six-month performance in 50 years.

For the current April-June quarter, the NABE forecasters believe the economy will shrink at a pace of 1.8 percent. After that, the economy should start growing again _ at a 0.7 percent pace in the third quarter and a 1.8 percent pace in the fourth quarter.

NABE's growth projections for the third and fourth quarters are lower than those made in late February. The downgrade was based on the expectation that businesses, whose profits and sales were hit hard by the recession, will remain wary of ramping up investment.

President Barack Obama's $787 billion stimulus package of increased government spending and tax cuts, near-zero interest rates ordered by the Fed and government programs to get banks to lend more freely again all factor into the expected economic revival.

Many forecasters also predict that home sales will hit bottom by the middle of this year, another stabilizing factor for the economy.

In an encouraging sign, sales of previously owned home rose 2.9 percent in April as buyers snapped up bargains, the National Association of Realtors reported Wednesday. The median sales price sank to $170,200, a 15.4 percent drop from a year ago. Data on new-home sales is due Thursday.

Next year, the economy should grow by 2 percent, the forecasters said. That was lower than the 2.4 percent growth projected in February.

With a lethargic recovery expected, forecasters predict the Fed won't start boosting interest rates until the second quarter of next year.

Because Fed policymakers expect credit and financial problems to ebb slowly, "the pace of the recovery would continue to be damped in 2010," they said last week.

WASHINGTON — More than 90 percent of economists predict the recession will end this year, although the recovery is likely to be bumpy. That assessment came from leading forecasters in a survey ...
WASHINGTON — More than 90 percent of economists predict the recession will end this year, although the recovery is likely to be bumpy. That assessment came from leading forecasters in a survey ...
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"Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows"
-Leonard Cohen & Sharon Robinson, "Everybody Knows"
circa 1988

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 05/28/2009
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 4 fans permalink

the rest of the world is still slipping into recession/­depression­. it will be more difficult for the usa economy to recover without exports to our overseas customers. we are buying but they are not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 05/28/2009
- sarabono I'm a Fan of sarabono 18 fans permalink

I doubt if they have factored in to these statements and calculations the GM Chapter 11 and the hundreds of thousands of lost GM jobs. Maybe a couple of million lost jobs with suppliers and dealers included.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 05/28/2009
- yappnmutt I'm a Fan of yappnmutt 70 fans permalink

i pay 400 bucks per z for what i smoke and i don't see what they see. i guess i'll have to start dropping acid again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 05/27/2009
- kstuff I'm a Fan of kstuff 5 fans permalink

Define "end of the recession.­" If by that you mean, "beginning of the depression­..." then we're finally getting a grasp on reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 05/27/2009
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 67 fans permalink

Give me a break, our economists did not see this TSUNAMI of finance disaster coming but they can predict this deflation period and depression will end this year. Corporations and companies are still laying off, jobs are still being sent overseas, corporations still moving away. What exactly will we manufacture? Where will the jobs come from and with all the new taxes being planned, how will we
recover?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 05/27/2009
- KMAz I'm a Fan of KMAz 3 fans permalink
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Most economists predicted the boom would go on forever.
Most economists predicted that a recession wouldn't happen and it would be mild.

Most economists are perhaps little better than tribal witch doctors, guessing at the nature of their distorted universes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 05/27/2009
- Rosewren I'm a Fan of Rosewren 22 fans permalink
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The following was written Henry CK Liu of Asia Times Online

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/KE27Dj07.html

Falling demand deflates commodity prices, but not enough to restore demand because aggregate wages are falling faster. When financial institutions deleverage with free money from the central bank, the creditors receive the money while the Fed assumes the toxic liability by expanding its balance sheet. Deleverage reduces financial costs while increasing cash flow to allow zombie financial institutions to return to nominal profitability with unearned income and while laying off workers to cut operational cost. Thus we have financial profit inflation with price deflation in a shrinking economy.
What we will have going forward is not Weimar Republic-type price hyperinflation, but a financial profit inflation in which zombie financial institutions turn nominally profitable in a collapsing economy. The danger is that this unearned nominal financial profit is mistaken as a sign of economic recovery, inducing the public to invest what remaining wealth they still hold, only to lose more of it at the next market meltdown, which will come when the profit bubble bursts.

These economist that write for this online economic news have a wide array of economists that do not agree with the propaganda spouted here in US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 05/27/2009
- Rosewren I'm a Fan of Rosewren 22 fans permalink
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Further, from same article above

Hyperinflation is fatal because hedging against it causes market failures to destroy wealth. Normally, when markets are functioning, unhedged inflation favors debtors by reducing the value of liabilities they owe to creditors. Instead of destroying wealth, unhedged inflation merely transfers wealth from creditors to debtors. But with government intervention in the financial market, both debtors and creditors are the taxpayers. In such circumstances, even moderate inflation destroys wealth because there are no winning parties.

Debt denominated in fiat currency is borrowed wealth to be repaid later with wealth stored in money protected by monetary policy. Bank deleveraging with Fed new money cancels private debt at full face value with money that has not been earned by anyone, that is with no stored wealth. That kind of money is toxic in that the more valuable it is (with increased purchasing power to buy more as prices deflate), the more it degrades wealth because no wealth has been put into the money to be stored, thus negating the fundamental prerequisite of money as a storer of value.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 05/27/2009
- Rosewren I'm a Fan of Rosewren 22 fans permalink
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Credit to source above

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 05/27/2009
- Rosewren I'm a Fan of Rosewren 22 fans permalink
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Credit to source above

Central bankers are savvy enough to know that while they can create money, they cannot create wealth. To bind money to wealth, central bankers must fight inflation as if it were a financial plague. But the first law of growth economics states that to create wealth through growth, some inflation needs to be tolerated.

The solution then is to make the working poor pay for the pain of inflation by giving the rich a bigger share of the monetized wealth created via inflation, so that the loss of purchasing power from inflation is mostly borne by the low-wage working poor and not by the owners of capital, the monetary value of which is protected from inflation through low wages. Thus the working poor loses in both boom times and bust times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 05/27/2009
- Rosewren I'm a Fan of Rosewren 22 fans permalink
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That has been the basic problem of the global economy for the past three decades. Low wages even in boom times have landed the world in its current sorry state of overcapacity masked by unsustainable demand created by a debt bubble that finally imploded in July 2007. The whole world is now producing goods and services made by low-wage workers who cannot afford to buy what they make except by taking on debt on which they eventually will default because their low income cannot service it.

All the stimulus spending by all governments perpetuates this dysfunctionality. There will be no recovery from this dysfunctional financial system. Only reform toward full employment with rising wages will save this severely impaired economy.

How can that be done? Simple. Make the cost of wage increases deductible from corporate income tax and make the savings from layoffs taxable as corporate income.

Henry C K Liu is chairman of a New York-based private investment group. His website is at http://www.henryckliu.com.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 05/27/2009

These economists are working off of mathematical models that are based on the average length of past recessions and reductions in inventory levels. Those models work when the underlying fundamentals of an economy remain intact. However, we are in a depression and it is rapidly morphing into a new great depression. The economic downturn will end when it becomes easier to get a mortgage and a car loan. Until then we will continue down until we hit bottom.

http://www.escapethenewgreatdepression.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 05/27/2009

So much for saving and creating 2.5 million jobs. The US has lost 16,000 jobs each day since Democrats passed their MASSIVE Generational Theft Act, the largest redistribution of wealth from the private sector to government officials in US history, without any GOP House votes.

16,000 Jobs Lost Each Day Since ‘Stimulus’ Became Law
After 100 days of ‘stimulus’ we have to ask: Mr. President, are you looking at the same numbers we are?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 05/27/2009
- uneeda I'm a Fan of uneeda 4 fans permalink

nutz

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 05/27/2009
- GEM-592 I'm a Fan of GEM-592 7 fans permalink

Semantics ... the question isn't when the "recession" will end, but what the new economy will look like, and how the recently disenfranchised will make their way in it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 05/27/2009
- dansup I'm a Fan of dansup 5 fans permalink

jobs, jobs, jobs, they are not here......­.......une­mployment is now where "they"
warned it would be without the passage ot TARP, bailouts et al - nothing I'm seeing is giving me the warm fuzzies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 05/27/2009

I agree, it's all about jobs, as for these "economists", none of them saw this train coming until it hit us, so I don't care what they have to say, they are usually wrong anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 05/27/2009

With the War on Capitalism going on,Id say we never recover.By the time Republicans get the chance to save us it'll be too late......­......Good bye America

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 05/27/2009
- GEM-592 I'm a Fan of GEM-592 7 fans permalink

Unrestricted capitalism has had it's way for several decades now, and brought nothing but chaos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 05/27/2009

Oh please don't drag your "unrestricted capitalism" strawman out anymore. There hasn't been unrestricted capitalism in the USA for over 80 years. And, there are no proponents for "unrestricted capitalism". It is a false choice you promote. But good leftist propoganda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 05/27/2009
- pompous I'm a Fan of pompous 6 fans permalink

Define capitalism and you will find a variety of answers as to its definition. The predominant answer is free markets which of course leads one to define the term "free." Again many things to many people. If you ask most Americans they would say they are free despite the fact that they live in a society of laws and regulations. It could be argued that laws and regulations provide the very freedom we value. The same could be said for the markets. The proponents of laissez-faire capitalism have waged the war on capitalism. They didn't want to see regulations or laws prohibiting whatever financial mechanism their imagination could create. They certainly came to their knees by their own hand. Had their downfall not been so catastrophic I would have agreed to let them fail. Markets don't work without capital and finance. We need to accept that capitalism requires regulation. I am surprised republicans aren't screaming about laws against thievery - its hardwork but like some forms of capitalism dishonest work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 05/27/2009

We have to have some law,or we have Anarchy.Th­e Left cant come to realize that DEREGULATION by Democrats is what set the stage for the Crisis...U­nlike the Left,who would lie to protect their own,I place blame on Republicans also.We don't know what Pure Capitalism would do ,because we have not had it for 80 years as stated above.Anot­her Leftist problem is this(I believe in what I feel,and think,so I can predict a failure for either the Obama Auto Companies,or a failure for consumers)In Socialism somebody wins and someone loses(There is no choice)...­In Capitalism everyone has a choice,and eventually everyone(even deadbeats) benefit from the Wealth of the Nation.Whe­n these things come to pass,the Left will have to find another Conservatist to blame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 05/27/2009

absolutetruth09, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 05/27/2009

I was here first,You leave,Go to France and take Obama with you....Eco­nomically Challenged Liberatard

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 05/27/2009

Most economists who actually participate in nonsensical surveys like this are optimists and wrong. Slow news day, is it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 05/27/2009
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What is nonsensical about the survey? Is it just that you don't agree with the results?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 05/27/2009
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