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Nicholas Kristof wants to know: Should the U.S. legalize drugs?

The influential New York Times columnist posted the question, which is being asked in mainstream circles with increasing frequency, on his Facebook page Saturday evening. Opinions have come pouring in.

"I'm thinking of writing this coming week about whether legalization of drugs makes sense. Any thoughts out there or good resources?" he asked.

Kristof told the Huffington Post he likes to reach out to readers for help when he's entering into not-entirely-familiar territory.

"It certainly prompted a lot of interesting thoughts, a lot of references to organizations involved, and one organization also reached out by phone to me. Maybe I would have come across the same organization, or maybe not, but on a topic that I don't know so well it can be a really useful tool," he said. "I find that on some issues it's completely useless, but on topics that especially involve experiences that I don't have, or knowledge that I don't have, then reaching out actually works pretty well."

One topic that doesn't work well with crowd-sourcing, Kristof said is the Middle East. "You get half the people with extreme views on the one side and half the people with extreme views on the other, and it's all heat and no light. And it's all arguments that I've already heard before," he said.

Tom Angell, a flak for the group Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, left Kristof a message after a friend at Students for Sensible Drug Policy alerted him to the query.

"Facebook and other social networking sites like Digg and Twitter have proven to be an essential tool for those of us working to drive the discussion on drug legalization from the political fringes to the upper echelons of the mainstream media in recent months," he told the Huffington Post in a g-chat.

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Angell, if he connects with Kristof, will encounter a receptive audience.

"It's been a gradual process," said Kristof about his thinking leading to the decision to confront the issue. "I think that the economy being a particular mess makes me a little more skeptical about spending vast amounts of money incarcerating people on drugs, and then I think the degree to which Mexico has been erupting also has made me wonder."

Kristof has traveled widely for his reporting and filed stories from a number of war zones. "The Taliban financing itself in part with opium has made me also wonder about the foreign-policy implications of our drug policies. But it's been something I've kind of wondered about and been ambivalent about for a number of years," said Kristof.

Facebookers who responded to Kristof took his question seriously and largely gave nuanced answers, leaning overwhelmingly in favor of a liberalized policy. His Facebook buds suggested he seek out drug-policy experts Mark Kleiman and Lester Grinspoon, along with Glenn Greenwald, who has recently written about Portugal's experience with decriminalization.

"If you do legalize marijuana, simultaneously implement strict, VERY strict drunk and high driving laws as well as gun laws to try to tame the negative externalities of marijuana use. I believe that the only possible drug to legalize would be marijuana, but I'm skeptical that our culture could handle it. Iowa sure as heck isn't Amsterdam," offered Jacqueline Nalbert Brysacz.

Though many of the posters were personally in favor of reforming drug policy, there was skepticism that the nation could handle legalization, much as Brysacz said.

"I favor legalization/decriminalization in theory, but I wonder how a policy shift of such magnitude would play out in the real world, or if it's even possible," wrote Stephen Wittek. "A lot of deeply entrenched interests, opinions, attitudes and beliefs would have to uprooted or steamrolled, and a lot of people would scream bloody apocalypse. Regardless of whether or not it 'makes sense,' the question at the heart of issue is 'Does America have the stomach for legalization?' And I'm pretty sure the answer is 'no.'"

Kristof will be following in the wake of Time's Joe Klein, CNN's Jack Cafferty, MSNBC's Pat Buchanan, as well as California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, top House Democrat Barney Frank, former Mexican President Vicente Fox and current Mexican Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan, all of whom have called for a rational discussion about drug policy that includes legalization.

Look for his column in the next few weeks. And look for something that moves the conversation forward.

"Increasingly, I'm thinking that legalization arguments are stronger and stronger," said Kristof.

Ryan Grim is the author of This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America, due out later this month

Nicholas Kristof wants to know: Should the U.S. legalize drugs? The influential New York Times columnist posted the question, which is being asked in mainstream circles with increasing frequency, on...
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Honestly, pot should be decriminalized however not legalized. Money is the root of all evil. Money is how the drug cartels keep rolling. Money talks. So instead of throwing 'criminals' in jail, excessively fine them and in extreme cases reposes things (possession of a certain amount=$$$fine) (A crapload of pot with intent to deal=fine, reposess properties) America is too moderate to have legalized pot plus american culture. There is a reason why I'm sure Amsterdam is not in the top 30 countries in education.­...well duh. If we legalize drugs, yeah its possible crime could go down but at what cost to its citizens. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanton-peele/the-reasons-we-cant-legal_b_174217.html. You legalize drugs and marijuana, you run the risk of dumbing down society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 06/04/2009
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Why should we excessively fine innocent Americans who consume a non-addictive plant, less harmful than alcohol? America does just fine with legal pot. The fraud of marjuana prohibition occurred in 1937. Most of the hard work of making this country was done by then. Plus, Americans are among the most adaptable people on the planet. Plus, 100 million Americans have tried marijuana. That's half the of-age population. Marijuana legalization is a justice long overdue.

You're right. There is a reason Amsterdam is not in the top 30 countries in education. It's a city! 8^) The Dutch have made a much saner society with the legalization of personal amounts of marijuana. Officials report the seperation of marijuana from the hard drugs has caused an aging out of the hard drug using population. And the Netherlands' marijuana consumption is HALF that of the U.S. Must be that forbidden fruit attraction.

Every study has shown marijuana has no permanent effect on intelligence. Like this one: http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5105

More exciting, the latest studies show marijuana actually stimulates the growth of new brain cells! http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/marijuana-may-stimulate-brain-cell-growth/

So, you see there are no reasons not to RE-legalize marijuana. It's the right thing to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 AM on 06/04/2009
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Why should we "excessively fine" innocent Americans who consume a non-addictive plant far less harmful than alcohol? Americans do just fine with legal pot. Most of the hard work of making this country was done by 1937 - when the fraud of marijuana prohibition occurred. There is a good reason Amsterdam is not in the top 30 countries in education. It's a city, not a country. 8^) -- Amsterdam is enjoying the benefits of a saner country with their legalization of sale and possession of personal amounts of marijuana. They report this has caused a seperation of marijuana from the hard drugs bringing about an aging out of the hard drug using population. Plus, marijuana use there is HALF that of the U.S. It must be the attraction of the forbidden fruit.

Studies show that not only does marijuana not have any permanent detriment to intellect, but it actually stimulates the growth of new brain cells. Re-legalizing marijuana is all up with no down side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 06/04/2009
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It is difficult to tell where the real support for marijuana prohibition comes from, but it seems likely that not only is it supported by U.S. agencies that profit from it, like law enforcement, prisons, prosecutors, etc., but that the drug cartels themselves are backing it to protect their income.

Proof of the latter is starting to eke out.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/587/mexico_social_democratic_party_candidates_attacked_legalization

>>>"Mexico's small, left-leaning Social Democratic Party (SDP) calls openly for drug legalization as part of its platform. Now, in the run-up to midterm elections in July, that stance may be attracting attention of the wrong sort. The party reports that at least four of its congressional candidates have been attacked while campaigning, and the party chairman is strongly suggesting that he thinks drug traffickers are behind them....."

>>>"The attacks signal "a clear intention to intimidate us... something we interpret as a sign we are doing well, disturbing precisely the interests that have this country prostrate before organized crime," the PSD chairman said. "It's time authorities said something about this. These acts of violence cannot be allowed to pass as campaign anecdotes," he said."

>>>""Doubtless, unlike the federal government, it appears the drug traffickers do understand that the regulation of that market would take the business away from them and would be a more intelligent way to combat them," he said."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 06/02/2009

If you examine the lies and manipulation involved in committing the crime of the Controlled Substance Act. There will be no need to "legalize" cannabis. It won't be worthy of outlawing and Hemp is literally ludicrous as a schedule#1 narcotic. Clearly the competition puts out a lot of money toward over zealous drug worriers campaigns. Remove the lies and then treat the street Pharmaceuticals like any deficiency.

The prohibition itself causes the harm in drugs. Same drugs given safely to millions without sharing needles, adulterations or inconsistent dosages. Vices are not crimes and lies are. Lets have some Justice. btw No self respecting grower will ruin their crop pollinating it with hemp as a camouflage.

Ganja has been used safely for 5000 years, Illicit pharmaceuticals were invented around 1850. No one can Gateway to what hasn't been invented. Only prohibition provides the stepping stone.

All the drug czar's propaganda did was raise the price of BC bud, like free advertising. Buyers clubs have shown how to do it. Or home growing as a cost savings for Pharmaceuticals a less intoxicating substance than alcohol. 250 word limit... continued.­..
http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4379#4379

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 06/02/2009

RIGHTO! The "controlled substances act" and the creation of "the war on ( some) drugs" denies the the concept of personal responsibi­lity.Somet­hing the Repubs have been harping on for years. If 'schedule 1' denies any medical use, how do you explain "Marinol" and "Sativex"? The socalled "WAR ON DRUG$" is illegal , corrupted ,and illogical. These laws must be broken and eliminated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 06/03/2009

If you examine the lies and manipulation involved in committing the crime of the Controlled Substance Act. There will be no need to "legalize" cannabis. It won't be worthy of outlawing and Hemp is literally ludicrous as a schedule#1 narcotic. Clearly the competition puts out a lot of money toward over zealous drug worriers campaigns. Remove the lies and then treat the street Pharmaceuticals like any deficiency.

The prohibition itself causes the harm in drugs. Same drugs given safely to millions without sharing needles, adulterations or inconsistent dosages. Vices are not crimes and lies are. Lets have some Justice. btw No self respecting grower will ruin their crop pollinating it with hemp as a camouflage.

Ganja has been used safely for 5000 years, Illicit pharmaceuticals were invented around 1850. No one can Gateway to what hasn't been invented. Only prohibition provides the stepping stone.

Pot potency has always been a range of THC levels, strains and climates. Extractions, elixirs and synthetic isolations of cannabinoids were in common use. Hash oil and Panama Red, Acapulco Gold, Thai stick or Vietnamese in the 60's and early 70's were higher potency than todays kynd bud.

All the drug czar's propaganda did was raise the price of BC bud, like free advertising. Buyers clubs have shown how to do it. Or home growing as a cost savings for Pharmaceuticals a less intoxicating substance than alcohol. 250 word limit... continued.­..
http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4379#4379

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 06/02/2009
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one problem with pot is pacifism..

nobody will want to fight anymore!

and hemp jeans, t-shirts and socks will be legal..

and they don't shrink or wear out like cotton!

the big cotton and big firearms industries will suffer.

and then there's big pharma..

reefer cures madness not the other way around!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 06/02/2009

From what I can tell marijuana isn't more dangerous than alcohol, so I think it would probably be a good idea to legalize that. Or at the very least decriminalize it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 06/02/2009
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There is a big difference between legalizing "Drugs" and legalizing Marijuana. And it is sad they throw Hemp in there too. Hemp can be used for clothing and paper, I'm sure the foresting lobby works hard against that no brainer.

Tobacco and Alcohol are far dangerous. Tobacco is worse than heroin when it comes to the addiction. Why do you think people can't quit smoking? They are addicted to the nicotine the cigarette company adds. Don't get me started on alcohol. MADD will tell you the horrors of the drunk driver.

Marijuana needs to be legalized, period. Mexico is a mess and California proves pot is not that big of a deal. Besides the benefits of medical marijuana, tax it and it brings massive revenue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 06/02/2009
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I am certainly ready to have this discussion at a national level. My first take is Yes! legalize and release those drug-addled prisoners into treatment programs. But I want to hear the debate in full first. This is a huge step to take that would have world-wide implications for decades to come.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 06/02/2009

A very relevant, yet underplayed component to the issue of marijuana legalization is generational, which might well be a gamechanger. Obama, and many of his key appointees, are members of Generation Jones-—born 1954-1965, between the Boomers and Generation X. Many top national commentators (from Newsweek, NBC, CNN, etc.) have spoken about the importance of GenJones as the new generation of leadership; could be key re. the drug issue for at least two reasons:

1) Jonesers are by far the biggest generation of pot smokers. While Boomers are associated with pot, it was only a small, albeit very visible, segment of Boomers who smoked pot back in the day. Many studies show that Jonesers as teens (in the 1970s) smoked 15 to 20 times more pot than Boomers did as teens, and more than any generation as teens. Even today--in middle-age­--Jonesers still smoke it a remarkable amount. The data is striking.

2) A key collective personality traits consistently attributed to Jonesers is their pragmatism; they are far likelier to put aside ideology and deal with drugs in a realistic and practical way.

Here is an op-ed in USA TODAY about GenJones as the country's new leaders:
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20090127/column27_st.art.htm

If ever there was a generation of leadership open to legalizing pot, it probably is Generation Jones. And if there ever was a time that the country might be open to this, perhaps it’s now…

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 06/02/2009
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interesting, i had never heard of gen jones before... which would include my parents and almost all my aunts and uncles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 06/02/2009

It would be quite an adjustment for many people who have made their career on the war on pot. Police officers who now fight pot possession and use as the crime it is today, will have to let it go, not just as a job description but also in their head. Prosecutors and judges, same thing.

And we would have to answer the question of what to do with all the nonviolent pot offenders in jail today. Let them out at once and lay off a bunch of prison guards? Or make them serve their sentence because it was a crime at the time? Whether we end their sentences early or not, we will have to face the anger they and their families would understandably have over losing years of their lives.

But don't let the "how" of legalization stop us. It's time to stop this "reefer madness" that never should have started, and never should have lasted this long.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 06/02/2009

I do think America is ready for this. I don't know if current politicians are ready for this though.

Legalization of pot should be one of many issues at the forefront of the 2010 election. Make politicians campaign on their views on whether and how pot should be legalized, and make your own voice heard. And then vote.

It's coming soon, I can feel it. And it's a good feeling.

My own mother, a conservative right-wing American, blew me away when she told me she thinks pot should be legalized (not even just decriminalized). I don't see much opposition to it outside of the pharmaceutical industry and those who have made their careers out of fighting the war on pot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 06/02/2009
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but "the pharmaceutical companies and those who have made their careers out of fighting the war on pot"......­. you're talking about a LOT of clout right there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 06/02/2009
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"I do think America is ready for this. I don't know if current politicians are ready for this though." Just like single-payer health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 06/02/2009

I'm getting pretty damn tired of all these pro-marijuana legalization arguments that refuse to include other drugs in the policy.

People seem to only want THEIR drug legalized, but the ones they dont like should remain illegal. This is not only selfish but hypocritical.

The majority of drug legalization arguments, which are sound (criminalization costs lots of money, it creates a massive, unregulated, violent criminal market, its turns a public health issue into a criminal one, it takes away freedom of responsibility for our own bodies and minds, it ruins lives, etc) wont go away if only this drug or that drug is legalized. If marijuana is legalized, then we'd still have all the same problems that exist with other drugs.

The only sensible choice is to legalize everything and hold people accountable to their behavior the same that alcohol intoxication is dealt with. Dont endanger other people or face the consequences.

An idea I had for this issue is as follows: create a license policy for ANY sort of recreational intoxication. Like getting a driver's license, require that everyone who wants to drink or smoke or inject or whatever has to pas a test about law and safety, pay registration fees (which fund rehabs and whatever else you want them to), etc. Tax the products too, so we cant milk some state/federal revenue out of it. If the privilege is abused by endangering other people, take away the license so they can't get it legally anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 AM on 06/02/2009
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It isn't hypocritical if a person considers marijuana to be something other than a drug. Willie Nelson insists it is a flower (true). For me, it is a medicine and a Sacrament. It is an Herb... NOT a drug.

To classify Cannabis with things like heroin and meth just makes no sense and certainly hurts one's chances of seeing their medicine legal anytime soon, i believe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 06/03/2009

Yes it is. And it IS a drug, and the more people keep trying to promote this stupid "its a medicine and a sacrament" or whatever argument only serve to damage your entire cause with a bunch of baloney. herb or not, it contains chemicals that alter your perception, end of story. You are consuming chemicals that affect your body's functions, it is a drug. So stop trying to pretend its something else to promote your cause, you just end up poking holes in the argument for legalization.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 06/03/2009
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NO WAY! What will we do will all the jails, and the prosecutors, and the DEA, and the FBI, and the local, county, and state police, and the ICE, and the.......­..........­we've got far too much invested now to act reasonably. What would the welfare bureaucrats do when we stop breaking up families by incarcerating non-violent drug offenders? What would we do with a sharp drop in convicted felons that could actually get gainful employment and not be tarnished for the rest of their lives?

NO! Let's ban beer as well! Then we could build more prisons...­..........­.........a­nd get our country out of this recession.­..........­.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 AM on 06/02/2009
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Keith Stroup is the man for the job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 06/02/2009
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Are they talking about legalizing heroin, or just marijuana?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 06/02/2009
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