Netanyahu: Obama Call For Settlement Freeze "Unreasonable"

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AMY TEIBEL | 06/ 1/09 12:03 PM | AP

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Palestinian youths put out a fire lit by Jewish settlers next to the settlement of Yitzhar in the West Bank, Monday, June 1, 2009. Mobs of Jewish settlers went on a rampage across the northern West Bank on Monday, starting near the radical settlement of Yizhar, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said. About 100 settlers blocked a road. Six were later arrested. (AP Photo/Dan Balilty)

HAVAT GILAD, West Bank — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday rejected President Barack Obama's demand for a freeze on West Bank Jewish settlement construction, but his government's move to dismantle some squatter camps set off a rampage by Jewish settlers against Palestinians.

It was a violent reminder that Netanyahu is caught between his own hard-line supporters and Israel's vital relationship with Washington. So far, Netanyahu has appeared sympathetic to the settlers, but protests over his limited West Bank policy spread as far as Jerusalem.

On Monday, Netanyahu briefed the Israeli parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee about his recent meeting with Obama. The American president and his secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, have demanded that Israel halt all settlement construction, including expansion to accommodate what Israel calls "natural growth" of settlements.

Netanyahu said Israel cannot "freeze life" in settlements, according to a participant who spoke on condition of anonymity because the meeting was closed. Netanyahu was quoted as saying that "there are reasonable requests and unreasonable requests."

At the same time, in an apparent gesture to Obama, Netanyahu's government has begun dismantling small settler outposts built without formal government authorization. But even that limited step has triggered settler violence.

Settlers have vowed to retaliate with attacks on Palestinians after removal even the tiniest enclave _ a tactic known as "price tag."

"We will do everything we can to oppose this," said settler Yehuda Shimon at the Havat Gilad outpost in the northern West Bank.

Monday's settler violence started near the radical settlement of Yizhar, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said. About 100 settlers blocked a road. Six were later arrested.

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Before dawn, near the Kedumim settlement, stone-throwing settlers ambushed a minivan carrying Palestinian laborers to Israel, the workers said. Six of the 15 Palestinians on board were hurt, including Yahye Sadah, 44, who was hit in the head and said he needed six stitches.

Police said settlers threw rocks and burned tires and then fled. Police said no arrests were made.

A few hours later, settlers torched a wooded hilltop near Nablus and set trees and Palestinian agricultural land on fire near the village of Hawara, residents said. Romel Sweiti, a local resident, said about 50 teenage settler girls gathered on a main road and blocked traffic as Israeli paramilitary police stood in the background.

Toward nightfall, about 20 young Jewish extremists briefly blocked the highway into Jerusalem, burning tires and a garbage bin, causing a huge rush hour traffic jam. Police dragged the struggling youths away, arresting four.

One of the protesters, Menachem Novick, 28, said the goal was to press Netanyahu and his party to keep their campaign pledge to expand the settlements. "We want to give them a push to do what they were elected to do," he said.

On another touchy diplomatic front, U.N. investigators on Monday began looking into possible war crimes during Israel's three-week offensive earlier this year against Gaza's Hamas rulers, even though they failed to secure a promise of cooperation from Israel.

Israeli officials have insisted the investigation, led by veteran war crimes prosecutor Richard Goldstone, would not be objective, citing alleged anti-Israel bias by the U.N. agency sponsoring the probe.

Goldstone, who is Jewish and South African with close ties to Israel, has said he wants to investigate both Israel and Hamas. After arriving in Gaza City from Egypt with a 15-member team Monday, he said would deliver his report by August.

Nearly 300,000 Israelis live in West Bank settlements among 2.4 million Palestinians. Another 180,000 live in Jewish neighborhoods of east Jerusalem. The Palestinians claim both areas _ captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war _ as parts of a future independent state.

In recent years, settlers have set up dozens of squatter camps, or outposts, that lack formal government approval, but often received funding and support from government agencies. Israel has failed to keep a promise to the U.S., first made in 2003, to dismantle about two dozen outposts.

The U.S. considers the settlements an obstacle to peace but has done little on the issue, a policy that appears to be changing under Obama.

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Associated Press writers Ali Daraghmeh in Nablus, West Bank, and Steve Weizman and Joseph Marks in Jerusalem contributed to this report.

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Netanyahu is very bad for Israel. He is their Bush. There is no future for either the Palestinians or the Israelis with the current Israeli leadership. I WAS a huge supporter of Israel until now. I still love the people but damn the region is pretty screwed now. Remember Netanyahu blew it last time he was "running" things. These settlers are rabid dogs. What kind of self respecting persons behave this way. Move if you don't like your neighbors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 06/02/2009

Uh-huh. You were a "huge" supporter of Israel until now? I can't imagine how "huge" you must have been...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 06/02/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

It is clear your posting is not meant to add to the conversation, just to attack Bibi and Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 06/02/2009

It is clear your posting is not meant to add to the conversation, just to attack the original poster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 06/03/2009

Time to cut Foreign "aid" funds off and embargo cash transfers to Israel for it's illegal actions . . .

Why should AMERICAN TAXPAYERS fund the increasingly oppressive land grab by the Zionists?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 06/02/2009
- Flyingpigs I'm a Fan of Flyingpigs 4 fans permalink
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like your land grab from the Nations... Hypocrite!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 AM on 06/03/2009

Wheres the hypocrisy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 06/03/2009
- jwcmass I'm a Fan of jwcmass 51 fans permalink

I'm just curious Flyingpigs, --I know how you feel about European and American seizure of Native lands.

Where do you stand on THIS issue? I know you don't like hypocrisy--but just taking the issue as is, what do you think should be done?

And what do you think the US should do? (Like it or not we ARE heavily invested in the region, and because of this, bear some responsibility for what happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 06/03/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

What illegal actions has Israel taken?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 06/04/2009
- regellner I'm a Fan of regellner 421 fans permalink
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The beat goes on...
I wonder what the average Israeli citizen thinks about this?


Raymond Gellner – Charlotte Liberal Examiner at Examiner.com
http://www.examiner.com/x-11326-Charlotte-Liberal-Examiner

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 06/01/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

I think of myself as a regualr Israeli and I think there is no reason to freeeze the settlements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 06/04/2009
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Why because you agrred to stopping it in the original road map to peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 06/06/2009

where would we in the USA be if Canada was Israel?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 06/01/2009
- MMIIXX I'm a Fan of MMIIXX 13 fans permalink
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you would be living in walled communities with machine guns and sniper rifles trained on you every minute of every day you would by denied freedom to travel to your place of work your farm your families home you would have to line up at checkpoints and show your ID to soldiers of an occupying army just to get to the doctor you would be held hostage in your own house if the soldiers of an occupying army wanted to use your house to shoot at your neighbours your house could be bulldozed down and you kicked off your land so soldiers of an occupying army could build themselves homes because of "natural growth" your kids would live in fear their whole life they would have nightmares every time they hear a plane fly over head but the worst part would be knowing most people in the world knew more about some tv stars life than about your peoples suffering and the genocide being committed against your people by soldiers of an occupying army

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 06/02/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

You have left out the reason for the wall. Israeli citizens, Arab and Jew, were at risk any time they used public transportation. The terrorists did not try to distinguish, they just killed Israelis. Since the wall has been started the number of terrorist attacks has fallen significantly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 06/03/2009
- betz55 I'm a Fan of betz55 39 fans permalink

And what would have happened in the Palestinians would have gone on a rampage against the illegal settlers. They would would have been shot at, tear gassed, and killed.

Let's be clear about something - the Israeli's built the wall for security purposes yet allows and funds illegal settlements beyond the security barrier in the West Bank?

These settlers deserve whatever condemnation is coming their way. The US should give the Palestinians all the bulldozers it requests to form a line and bulldoze every last one of the settlements all the way back to the 1967 line, and if they can't get through due to the wall, the wall comes down.

Finally the world sees who the apartheid terrorist really are. Hysterical and violent groups of settlers live there because of a fervent belief that the Jewish people have a God-given, biblical-era right to the land, and are determined to ethnically cleanse the indigenous Palestinian population from their own land.

Five years ago the Shin Bet arrested a number of Bat Ayin residents who were members of a Jewish underground cell that had planned to bomb Arab schools in East Jerusalem. All the while Israel was accusing the Palestinians of 'terror'.

It would be sad indeed if the first African-American president of the United States were to defend in Israel exactly the kind of institutionalized bigotry, racism, and terrorizing of the Palestinian people the civil rights movement defeated in this country, a victory that made his election possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 06/01/2009
- JohnnyLee I'm a Fan of JohnnyLee 10 fans permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_suicide_attacks

The Israelis don't teach their children to become suicide bombers. They don't use Mickey Mouse to transfer the message. They don't parade their children around in faux dynamite vests.

Stop trying to pretend there is a moral equivalency here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 06/02/2009

Israel has no moral high ground. The settlers are extremists and need to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 06/02/2009
- dojinho I'm a Fan of dojinho 4 fans permalink

Oh boy, you hit the nail on the head here : there is no moral equivalency!

Let's see :

1948 : Israeli settlers massacred entire Palestinian villages in many attacks without provocation nor retaliation from Palestinian groups. Buses loaded with Palestinians were attacked and rampaged. Since the 6-day-war of 67, Palestine has been occupied illegally, the world has unanimously condemned the occupation with resolutions 242 and 338 which Israel has never respected, instead increasing its effort to buid settlements, suffocating Palestine and resorting to force at will. The attacks from israeli settlers on Palestinians under IDF protection is well documented; the use of illegal weapons (namely phosphorus flares) is well documented; the attacks on civilian targets (among others, a UN school where 30-40 people were killed).

The use of terrorist attacks from the Palestinian community in retaliation is a relatively recent phenomenon. Yet, people like you try to make believe that Palestinians invented the concept.

If Israeli children are not taught that killing Palestinians is a great thing, I'd like to know why they behave so violently sometimes.

Reading suggestion : http://ifamericansknew.org/history/terrorism.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 06/02/2009
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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No, they get advanced weapons to kill innocent people. Palestinians are fighting back with the weapons they have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 AM on 06/03/2009

I am more worried of what's going to happen when Iran 'gets' it's nuclear bomb(s.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 06/01/2009
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Duration of your worrying:
Probably infinite, unless Israel starts World War III by initiating a military interchange with Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 06/01/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

Your posting is baseless. Inaccurate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 06/03/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

Israel has never started a war. Never. But we have been forced to defend ourselves on a number of occasions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 06/03/2009

are you worried about Israels nuclear bombs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 06/01/2009

Blah blah blah....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 06/02/2009
- Manchurian I'm a Fan of Manchurian 6 fans permalink

Iran hasn't attacked anyone in at least 200 years. Why worry about Iran? Worry about Pakistan, Israel, and other countries that actually have nukes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 06/01/2009
- JohnnyLee I'm a Fan of JohnnyLee 10 fans permalink

Umm... how about the US Marine Baracks in Beirut? How about the funding and training of Hezbollah? How about the Iran-Iraq war. How about the current gulf war? Iran is actively involved in the training of the Mahdi Army and other Shia groups.

Iran in the 21st century fights by proxy. They fund and train terrorist groups to do all their dirty work. But don't kid yourself thanks to Bush we've lost Iraq to Iran and possibly the entire Persian gulf.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 06/02/2009
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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Lets see, so the illegal settlements are going to thwart Iran's nuclear program?

Look up "non sequitur."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 AM on 06/02/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

Israel holds the West Bank legally and ethically. It was taken from Jordan, not a Palestinian state, in 1967 during a defensive war for Israel. That's right, the 67 war was defensive, Egypt fired the firts shots during the closing of the Straits of Tiran, which was in and of itself an act of war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 06/02/2009
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Why? Are you afraid Iz. will use theirs in a first strike?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 06/02/2009
- Naville I'm a Fan of Naville 3 fans permalink

Continues from above comment...­..........­.

The settlement grows with the influx of immigrants from all around the world. Israeli FM is a settler from Moldova, former U.S.SR republic. They even include Peruvian native Indians who were converted to Judaism. Well, that is what they call “Natural Growth”. Do not confuse it with ORGANICALLY GROWN.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/07/israel1

These armed settlers are indoctrinated with anti-Palestinian sentiments; they hate all kind of cameras. I think it shows them red-handedly guilty of wrong-doing.

The occupation has systematically allowed building settlements, demolishing Arab homes in east Jerusalem, barrier wall, and control of air space, borders and sea, water, movement, refugees in exile.

Israeli's term of peace is; we will not concede any of those, but we want PEACE.

Palestinians say NO, and the cycle of resistance and counter-resistance start all over again.

So, Israel has to remove the noose around the Palestinian neck. And the symptoms of their occupation will subside as Palestinians build hope for their future.

good luck

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 06/01/2009
- JohnnyLee I'm a Fan of JohnnyLee 10 fans permalink

38% of the entire Israeli population are Arab Jews (same percentage as European Jews). Those are Jews who were kicked out of countries like Iraq, Iran etc... Are you concerned about their right of repatriation or an economic remedy from their former host country?

Israel has proven they will exchange land for peace e.g. the Sinai? The Palestinians can have peace but they should go the Ghandi route not the Saudi Arabian Wahabi Islamic fundamentalist route. To act as if the Palestinians are an innocent in this complex situation is completely myopic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 06/02/2009

Egypt is a dictatorship, whose loyalty is being bought off at a price of $US 2 billion a year. I don't call this 'land for peace' - it's simply co-opting your adversaries..

Israel is trying the same trick with Mahmoud Abbas, who is currently a non-representative president installed by the blessings of the western powers..

Btw.. it's one thing to hold on to a territory you occupied, and it's another to effectively colonize it. Israel's actions reek of a much larger scheme than just holding some bargaining chips..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 06/03/2009
- Naville I'm a Fan of Naville 3 fans permalink

Obama's demand to stop expanding settlement towns in the west bank is equivalent to demanding someone to loosen the noose slightly around a victim's neck-- so the victim could talk about peace and love before other injustices are addressed. And the list is long.

Is that fair ?. It demonstrates how powerless U.S administrations are when it comes to pressuring Israel to do any tangible step toward peace.

This freeze settlement demand caused hardliner Rabbis to quote the God for the their occupation of West Bank.

http://www.france24.com/20090601-jewish-settlers-say-they-remain-west-bank-gods-orders?pop=TRUE

You think that is Scary ?

The worst is yet to come. The American public are unaware of a large segment of Israelis who are menacing and dangerous toward Palestinian sovereignty. They elect hardline Zionists so they could remain there, endangering any peace.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3724636,00.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 06/01/2009
- bobdob I'm a Fan of bobdob 18 fans permalink

Jimmy Carter was vilified for referring to it as apartheid. But that is precisely what's going on. I applaud President Obama for standing up to the hypocrisy. Israel could have peace if they wanted it. But what they truly want is to destroy the Palestinians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 06/01/2009
- bobdob I'm a Fan of bobdob 18 fans permalink

This will turn world opinion against the Israelis. They protest that they are the victims, but when they're asked to stand by agreements they have made in the past, they become the aggressor. The ugly side of Zionism is being unmasked. It will be a painful revelation for Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 06/01/2009
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What a cowardly way to protest your government's actions:
Attack the disenfranchised who have no power in the situation.
They could go to Tel Aviv and picket outside the Knesset.
They could demand a meeting with Netanyahu.
They could press their elected officials.
Heck, they could even go and throw stones at their lawmakers and get arrested.
But instead, they throw stones at the very people they are trying to take land away from.
Contemptuous describes my feelings about this cowards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 06/01/2009
- jwcmass I'm a Fan of jwcmass 51 fans permalink

Boy, wouldn't they be shocked if they were treated in the same fashion as the Palstinian uprisers-- with deadly force (not that I approve, there's enough violence)

But what about holding them in detention without charge-- suspend habeas corpus like with teh Palestinians.

After all, they are living on land that's been under martial law since 1967.

Or are there two sets of laws-- one for Israelis, and another for Palestinians.

Judging from teh response from the government, it would seem so. I haven't heard of a proposal to "break their bones" to get them back in line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 06/01/2009
- alexa07 I'm a Fan of alexa07 50 fans permalink

Yes, & our foolish Congress enables the occupation & squatters, so-called settlers in EVERY way. I wonder how Reid, Pelosi, Boxer & the like can sleep at night? Their votes, compliments to the big, pro-Israel lobbies in Washington are directly responsible for the carnage in Gaza & Lebanon as well as the theft of land, water & lack of security, legal rights for the thousands & thousands of Palestinian families, everywhere in the region.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 06/02/2009
- leonel I'm a Fan of leonel 7 fans permalink

NETANYAHU AND MANY ISRAELIS WILL FEEL SCORNED BY THE US BECAUSE IT IS FINALLY TIME TO GET REALISTIC AND SETTLE WITH THE PALESTINIANS.

Another big problem left behind by Bush but it has been ongoing since Israel helped US fight the Cold War. Israel intelligence helped the US a lot but things kept getting further and further out of line. Now US is struck paying billions of dollars each year to Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

The Palestinians are living like prisoners of war. It makes them extremists and gets Israel and Arabs in general to keep up hostile relations. It is big impediment to settling problems in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan because they see US allowing Israel to put off settling. Another area where lobbyists finance Congressional elections so Congress will not hold open and objective hearings on problem.

Most Americans have no idea how much money is being wasted on this conflict. Obama is the first leader to take problem head on and it will still take time to resolve. Arab countries and Iran need to understand that progressives are now in control of US administration and doing all they can on resolving.

Israel must be told not to try to divert attention by stirring up their feud with Iran. Care must be taken not to make Israel feel scorned and lead to unpredictable behavior.

"HEAVEN HAS NO RAGE LIKE LOVE TO HATRED TURNED;

NOR HELL A FURY LIKE A WOMAN SCORNED."

--or a man or a country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 06/01/2009

"Israel must be told not to try to divert attention by stirring up their feud with Iran."

"Divert attention"? Iran wants to destroy the country of Israel and dominate the Middle East. I think the "diversion" is in pretending that some houses in the West Bank have major geopolitical significance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 06/02/2009

if Iran's trying to destroy israel, how'z occupying more Arab land going to help?

israel has how many nukes again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 06/03/2009
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The sad part is that the Israeli's call Hamas terrorists, when it is they that have been terrorizing the Palestinian population - with the advanced weaponry they've gotten from the US! It is time for the Israelis to go back to the 1967 borders and to allow for Palestinian self determination. If necessary than it is time for the US to stop funding Israel in the form of "Aid" because that "aid" is being used to construct these settlements. It is time for the US to divest from Israel, because that is the only way to get their attention and make them stop these crimes against humanity!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 06/01/2009
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Didn't they agree not to settle these areas a long time ago? These settlements are against the law. It seems that Israel needs to start doing some high density construction to provide for these people who have to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 06/01/2009
- jwcmass I'm a Fan of jwcmass 51 fans permalink

It's not a question of not knowing HOW to deal with them-- Israelis know how to bulldoze homes. They've had plenty of practice with Palestinians.

It's a question of political courage (or complete lack thereof) to stand up to these bullies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 06/01/2009
- mia8485 I'm a Fan of mia8485 2 fans permalink

Here's a way to express support for President Obama's approach...

http://jstreet.org/campaigns/a-freeze-means-freeze

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 06/01/2009
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